First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List RE: Poncho68 by "Trimpe, Bob" <TrimpeB@rajones.com> Re: Trans shifter suggestions needed forTHM400 by "Frank Zeller" <fzeller@tri-austin.com> Re: Poncho68 / Sending Unit. by "John Wern" <jwern@gw.total-web.net> Still Looking........ by "Keith Donmoyer" <kadonny@hotmail.com> Re: Trans shifter suggestions needed forTHM400 by "Brian Sargent" <bjsbird1@yahoo.com> Re: Trans shifter suggestions needed forTHM400 by "Brian Sargent" <bjsbird1@yahoo.com> Re: Poncho68 / Sending Unit. by "Steve" <poncho68sa@hotmail.com> Re: Poncho68 by "Steve" <poncho68sa@hotmail.com> Tachometer info by "Frank Zeller" <fzeller@tri-austin.com> Re: Trans shifter suggestions needed by "Chuck Sellers" <chuck_sellers@hotmail.com> HELP! Rear '68 shocks surprise! by "Chuck Sellers" <chuck_sellers@hotmail.com> Re: Trans shifter suggestions needed by "Frank Zeller" <fzeller@tri-austin.com> ADMN: Changes to List by "Geoff Martin" <Geoff@firstgenfirebird.org> Re: formula scoops, first gen! by "Shawn Jeppson" <sfjeppson@earthlink.net> Re: List Server: Re: front drums brakes by "John Humphries" <jmh01@pacbell.net> Re: HELP! Rear '68 shocks surprise! by <JGeigel@aol.com> Re: HELP! Rear '68 shocks surprise! by "GTOken" <GTOken@ipa.net> 69 Firebird Shirt Alert by <watcher@hiwaay.net> Rubbing it in by "Chris Porter" <fxstsb@pop.sttl.uswest.net> RE: Trans shifter suggestions needed by "Tim Marcinek" <marcts@ga.prestige.net>
(back) Subject: RE: Poncho68 From: "Trimpe, Bob" <TrimpeB@rajones.com> Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 08:03:52 -0500 I can't get the page to pull up either. Bob Trimpe -----Original Message----- From: Steve [mailto:poncho68sa@hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2001 12:05 AM To: First Generation Firebird-L Subject: Re: Poncho68 First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List .......................................................................... No, not as far as I know.This should be a direct link; http://content.communities.msn.com/isapi/fetch.dll?action=3Dget_album&ID_Co= mmu nity=3D68FirebirdRestoration&ID_Topic=3D2 If you are still having trouble I can Email copys. Thanks- Steve.... poncho68sa@hotmail.com 68 Firebird Restoration http://lightning.locl.net/homes/sapple/ Pontiac Firebird Links http://communities.msn.com/PontiacFirebirdLinks ----- Original Message ----- From: John Wern <jwern@gw.total-web.net> To: First Generation Firebird-L <Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2001 4:51 PM Subject: Poncho68 > First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List > = ......................................................................... > Steve, I'm trying to drill my sending unit like you did. I'm having > trouble bringing up your pictures. Is there a problem with your web = site? > Thanks John. >
(back) Subject: Re: Trans shifter suggestions needed forTHM400 From: "Frank Zeller" <fzeller@tri-austin.com> Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 08:12:54 -0600 Chuck, Don't forget about the drive shaft. Frank >>> chuck_sellers@hotmail.com 01/02/01 11:26PM >>> First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List .......................................................................... Happy New Year all, I picked up a rebuilt BOP THM400 trans while I was visiting the in-laws = for Christmas. Found a 400 crossmember on eBay a couple of days ago. Picked up an automatic center console on eBay a few weeks back. Ordered a B&M tranny pan and dipstick tube/stick from Summit. I am getting CLOSE to putting the tranny in. I would like some suggestions on a shifter that will fit without carving = up the center console. Does B&M make a ratchet type shifter that fits without cutting on the console? What about a kickdown cable? Lokar? Chuck Sellers '68 350 convertible
(back) Subject: Re: Poncho68 / Sending Unit. From: "John Wern" <jwern@gw.total-web.net> Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 10:16:42 -0500 Last night I drilled the top of the sending unit. It worked quite well. = i plan on soldering it today. -- One question; Why not just leave the connector wire where it is and use the hole you drill for the return = line itself? Thanks John
(back) Subject: Still Looking........ From: "Keith Donmoyer" <kadonny@hotmail.com> Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 10:48:59 -0500 Chris, Good luck looking, of course you know how rare it is to find a HO block. Try calling these guys just by chance. Faulous Firebirds 573-783-5702 Classic Firebirds 800-854-1280 Bills Birds 631-667-3853 Also, if you dont get Hemmings, there are alot of resources in there, I suggest you also check there. Good luck, let me know if I can help Keith 68 H.O. (Original WK block) Subject: Still looking for a block From: "Chris Porter" <fxstsb@pop.sttl.uswest.net> Date: Mon, 01 Jan 2001 20:08:10 -0800 Anyone know, or a lead, where I can find a `68 WK block ? Still looking. Thanks. Chris `68 350 H.O. Drop-top _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
(back) Subject: Re: Trans shifter suggestions needed forTHM400 From: "Brian Sargent" <bjsbird1@yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 08:26:11 -0800 (PST) Chuck, I installed the B&M Mega Shifter in my 69 conv. I didn't have to make any special cuts at all. I would suggest if you go with the Mega Shifter you might want to go with the console unit, the shift arm is about 2" shorter. I didn't and kinda wished I had. Not that mine didn't turn out great, I think it would look a little cooler with the shorter arm. Brian 69 conv. --- Frank Zeller <fzeller@tri-austin.com> wrote: > First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List > .......................................................................... > Chuck, > > Don't forget about the drive shaft. > > Frank > > >>> chuck_sellers@hotmail.com 01/02/01 11:26PM >>> > First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List > .......................................................................... > Happy New Year all, > > I picked up a rebuilt BOP THM400 trans while I was > visiting the in-laws for > Christmas. Found a 400 crossmember on eBay a couple > of days ago. Picked up > an automatic center console on eBay a few weeks > back. Ordered a B&M tranny > pan and dipstick tube/stick from Summit. I am > getting CLOSE to putting the > tranny in. > > I would like some suggestions on a shifter that will > fit without carving up > the center console. Does B&M make a ratchet type > shifter that fits without > cutting on the console? What about a kickdown > cable? Lokar? > > Chuck Sellers > '68 350 convertible > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/
(back) Subject: Re: Trans shifter suggestions needed forTHM400 From: "Brian Sargent" <bjsbird1@yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 08:26:11 -0800 (PST) Chuck, I installed the B&M Mega Shifter in my 69 conv. I didn't have to make any special cuts at all. I would suggest if you go with the Mega Shifter you might want to go with the console unit, the shift arm is about 2" shorter. I didn't and kinda wished I had. Not that mine didn't turn out great, I think it would look a little cooler with the shorter arm. Brian 69 conv. --- Frank Zeller <fzeller@tri-austin.com> wrote: > First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List > .......................................................................... > Chuck, > > Don't forget about the drive shaft. > > Frank > > >>> chuck_sellers@hotmail.com 01/02/01 11:26PM >>> > First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List > .......................................................................... > Happy New Year all, > > I picked up a rebuilt BOP THM400 trans while I was > visiting the in-laws for > Christmas. Found a 400 crossmember on eBay a couple > of days ago. Picked up > an automatic center console on eBay a few weeks > back. Ordered a B&M tranny > pan and dipstick tube/stick from Summit. I am > getting CLOSE to putting the > tranny in. > > I would like some suggestions on a shifter that will > fit without carving up > the center console. Does B&M make a ratchet type > shifter that fits without > cutting on the console? What about a kickdown > cable? Lokar? > > Chuck Sellers > '68 350 convertible > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/
(back) Subject: Re: Poncho68 / Sending Unit. From: "Steve" <poncho68sa@hotmail.com> Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 12:09:37 -0500 AS I remember, It ould change the layout of the holes from the original. I am sure it will work ok. Thanks- Steve.... poncho68sa@hotmail.com 68 Firebird Restoration http://lightning.locl.net/homes/sapple/ Pontiac Firebird Links http://communities.msn.com/PontiacFirebirdLinks ----- Original Message ----- From: John Wern <jwern@gw.total-web.net> To: First Generation Firebird-L <Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2001 10:16 AM Subject: Re: Poncho68 / Sending Unit. > First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List > = ......................................................................... > Last night I drilled the top of the sending unit. It worked quite = well. i > plan on soldering it today. -- One question; Why not just leave the > connector wire where it is and use the hole you drill for the return line > itself? Thanks John >
(back) Subject: Re: Poncho68 From: "Steve" <poncho68sa@hotmail.com> Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 12:59:42 -0500 Try these Thanks- Steve.... poncho68sa@hotmail.com 68 Firebird Restoration http://lightning.locl.net/homes/sapple/index.html Pontiac Firebird Links http://communities.msn.com/PontiacFirebirdLinks/home.htm '68 Firebird Photos http://communities.msn.com/68FirebirdRestoration/home.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: Trimpe, Bob <TrimpeB@rajones.com> To: 'First Generation Firebird-L' <Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2001 8:03 AM Subject: RE: Poncho68 > First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List > = ......................................................................... > I can't get the page to pull up either. > > Bob Trimpe > > -----Original Message----- > From: Steve [mailto:poncho68sa@hotmail.com] > Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2001 12:05 AM > To: First Generation Firebird-L > Subject: Re: Poncho68 > > > First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List >
(back) Subject: Tachometer info From: "Frank Zeller" <fzeller@tri-austin.com> Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 12:45:08 -0600 In my quest to have an indash tachometer I have learned a lot. Someone = mentioned that a repro hood tachometer had the light on all the time. One = or the other possible reason for this, besides to reduce condensation = problems, is that the repro tachometers have an amplifier circuit that = requires 12 volts so they can work with points or with HEI ignitions. The = repro tachs amplifier might get the power from the light circuit and = wiring instructions tell you to plug the light circuit into the ACC on you = fuse box? The original tach units up until around 1972 are passive (no = external power just the puls from the coil power up and down) and do not = work with an HEI unless you build an amplifying circuit. I was told that = up side of adding this circuit to you original tachometer is that the tach = responses quicker and can be easily calibrated with a squarewave signal = generator. 100 HZ 750 RPM (V8) 200 HZ 1500 RPM 400 HZ 3000 RPM 800 HZ 6000 RPM see web link for circuit www2.gdi.net/~padgett/ttach.htm I have also found an AC Service Bulletin on Tachometer repair that I can = scan if anybodies interested. Frank
(back) Subject: Re: Trans shifter suggestions needed From: "Chuck Sellers" <chuck_sellers@hotmail.com> Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 12:47:45 -0800 Well, what I have is a 68 center console. Isn't that different from a 69? = I need a solution for my '68 center console. Chuck Subject: Re: Trans shifter suggestions needed forTHM400 From: <DOHC5MGE@aol.com> Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 01:50:43 EST >I would like some suggestions on a shifter that will fit without carving = up >the center console. Does B&M make a ratchet type shifter that fits = without >cutting on the console? What about a kickdown cable? Lokar? Stock '69 shifter ratchets in forward direction.Fits with minor adjustment(using '69 console too). Kickdown is electric - no cable. Need = to run 12v to switch on carb that closes at W.O.T.,then to top terminal on electrical connection on rt. side of trans.
(back) Subject: HELP! Rear '68 shocks surprise! From: "Chuck Sellers" <chuck_sellers@hotmail.com> Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 13:28:34 -0800 Fellow Firebird Enthusiasts, While Hugo and I were struggling this past weekend with replacing my rear leafs and shocks (darn rust!) we ran across an interesting problem. I = bought some KYB gas-adjust rear shocks (KYB model KG5521) from Ames Performance = for my '68 and lo and behold they did not come with mounts (top/trunk mount part) that were the same as the currently installed shocks. The old shocks had a metal "T" bracket on top that took two bolts, one on each side to mount them but the KYB shocks that I received have a single shaft with threads at the top for a single bolt. We took a look at a '68 donor parts car that Hugo had and it was set up the same way. His is a coupe and mine = is a convertible. I called Doug at Ames Performance and he re-checked his KYB application chart and he confirmed that the KG5521 was the correct shock for '68 rear shocks. He looked at his '68 bird and said that his mount is the single shaft type without the "T" mounting bracket. WAS THERE AN EARLY '68 AND LATE '68 THAT USED DIFFERENT SHOCKS? DO I NEED = TO GET SHOCKS FOR A '67 OR A '69 OR SOMETHING STRANGE IN BETWEEN??? Thanks in advance for your input! Chuck Sellers '68 350 convertible
(back) Subject: Re: Trans shifter suggestions needed From: "Frank Zeller" <fzeller@tri-austin.com> Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 16:00:56 -0600 Chuck, The 68 and 69 consoles are the same. If you take off the imitation wood = grain they look the same as a 67 console. Frank >>> chuck_sellers@hotmail.com 01/03/01 02:47PM >>> First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List .......................................................................... Well, what I have is a 68 center console. Isn't that different from a 69? = I need a solution for my '68 center console. Chuck Subject: Re: Trans shifter suggestions needed forTHM400 From: <DOHC5MGE@aol.com> Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 01:50:43 EST >I would like some suggestions on a shifter that will fit without carving = up >the center console. Does B&M make a ratchet type shifter that fits = without >cutting on the console? What about a kickdown cable? Lokar? Stock '69 shifter ratchets in forward direction.Fits with minor adjustment(using '69 console too). Kickdown is electric - no cable. Need = to run 12v to switch on carb that closes at W.O.T.,then to top terminal on electrical connection on rt. side of trans.
(back) Subject: ADMN: Changes to List From: "Geoff Martin" <Geoff@firstgenfirebird.org> Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 17:23:58 -0500 Unfortunately, AOL 6.0 is causing a few changes for this list which I usually do not worry about since a small part of the our community is usually affected. With AOL being the largest provider, I have to unfortunately conform to what they do even if it is not a standard protocol. Since AOL 6.0 can not send the STANDARD plain text messages, I am working on a solution which involves allowing custom markup text or AOL text. The downside of this, anyone using older software or some of the online versions will get extra text or encoding in their messages. I am one of them affected since I love the program I use now and have not found a 'modern' email software package to upgrade to. I am testing a new format for everyone on the digest version (MIME encoding). I will be monitoring feedback but would like to hear directly rather than through the list to anyone having problems with the new format. If this version of the digest works, I will modify the list scripts/processor to allow 'HTML' or custom encoding so anyone using AOL 6.0 can send messages to the list. Anyone not on the digest version (you receive every message), you should not be affected by this change at this time. Once the script/processor is changed to allow HTML or special encoding, you may see the custom encoding in every text. I will have this problem with my software but mine is about 5 years old. If you encounter this problem, you will have to update to a more 'modern' email software package or scroll though the extra text. Everyone using AOL 6.0, stay tuned for when the changes to the mailing list take place so you can send messages. I understand it is frustrating but I need to make sure the masses are not negatively affect by the changes for AOL's abuse of the internet messaging STANDARD (Jumping off my box). As always, Thanks! - Geoff <Geoff@firstgenfirebird.org> ps - Back from my departure from the list messaging.
(back) Subject: Re: formula scoops, first gen! From: "Shawn Jeppson" <sfjeppson@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 17:28:11 -0700 There is a hood with those scoops sitting at Coy Auto in Ogden, Utah. I = know because I pulled the wheels off this car, it was still there this summer. = I have since moved to Michigan but I know there is a member in Salt Lake = City who may be willing to take a look for you. Shawn Jeppson '67 coupe Daniel Ray wrote: > First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List > = ......................................................................... > John I saw one done like that a while back on the web somewhere but I > have no idea where I saw it at now. It looked VERY good!!!! I have > been wanting to do the very same thing with one of the spare flat hoods > that I have myself but I can't find a set of the scoops like was on the > early 70's formula cars to buy like 70 71 the ones that came up and > forward to the front of the car if you find a set or a spare hood > that I can get also let me know please Daniel Ray
(back) Subject: Re: List Server: Re: front drums brakes From: "John Humphries" <jmh01@pacbell.net> Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 15:15:16 -0800 > >Hi, > >Actually i just need the left hand side. I also need the big bolt thing = (i > >have no idea what thats called) >whenever you can get em would be great. just let me know what it costs >and >ill send you a check. > >thanks again > >john > > >At 10:33 PM 1/1/2001 -0600, you wrote: > >First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List > = >......................................................................... > >John, Are you needing all the springs, (both sides) and the anchor your > >talking about? The big bolt looking thing the shoes sit against? I = will > >pull the parts and get them in the mail to ya in a couple days, its too >cold > >to be messing around outside now. haahaaa > > > >Thanks > >Kevin > > > >kyoung@sagelink.net > >http://www.n-link.com/~kyoung > > > > > > Never go to a doctor whose office plants have died. > >
(back) Subject: Re: HELP! Rear '68 shocks surprise! From: <JGeigel@aol.com> Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 18:28:39 EST Chuck, 68 rear shocks had the single shaft at the top. There is a mounting plate = that bolts to the two holes you have and then the center of the plate has = a single hole in the center for the shock shaft. The top of the shock is similar to the top of a front shock. Someone may have pulled these plates off of your car and mounted shocks = from another application on your car. I have a used pair of these plates up in my attic. $20 plus shipping if = you want them (from Seattle). They are also available from Year One. I don't = know how much they sell for as I don't have my catalog with me at the = moment. You may get a better deal from them. Joe Geigel
(back) Subject: Re: HELP! Rear '68 shocks surprise! From: "GTOken" <GTOken@ipa.net> Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 17:34:57 -0600 Hmm, I not seen a 1st Gen that used anything other than the stud at the top. You think someone improvised somewhere up the line before you? The shocks with the T-bracket you describe sound like A-body units. Ken Chuck Sellers wrote: > > First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List > = ......................................................................... > Fellow Firebird Enthusiasts, > > While Hugo and I were struggling this past weekend with replacing my = rear > leafs and shocks (darn rust!) we ran across an interesting problem. I = bought > some KYB gas-adjust rear shocks (KYB model KG5521) from Ames Performance = for > my '68 and lo and behold they did not come with mounts (top/trunk mount > part) that were the same as the currently installed shocks. The old = shocks > had a metal "T" bracket on top that took two bolts, one on each side to > mount them but the KYB shocks that I received have a single shaft with > threads at the top for a single bolt. We took a look at a '68 donor = parts > car that Hugo had and it was set up the same way. His is a coupe and = mine is > a convertible. > > I called Doug at Ames Performance and he re-checked his KYB application > chart and he confirmed that the KG5521 was the correct shock for '68 = rear > shocks. He looked at his '68 bird and said that his mount is the single > shaft type without the "T" mounting bracket. > > WAS THERE AN EARLY '68 AND LATE '68 THAT USED DIFFERENT SHOCKS? DO I = NEED TO > GET SHOCKS FOR A '67 OR A '69 OR SOMETHING STRANGE IN BETWEEN??? > > Thanks in advance for your input! > > Chuck Sellers > '68 350 convertible >
(back) Subject: 69 Firebird Shirt Alert From: <watcher@hiwaay.net> Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 18:34:04 -0600 Just wanted to share this info with all my fellow listers-- Wal-Mart is carrying some Hot Rod Magazine T-shirts. So far, all the ones I've seen have a little logo on the left hand side on the front of the shirt and on the back they have a pretty good sized image of some particular cool looking car. They have put one out with a '69 Firebird on it. Above the picture it says "This 'Bird is on Fire!" It was exciting to see a 1st gen Firebird included in with all the other cars I've seen on the back of these shirts. Peg (thawing out in the south)
(back) Subject: Rubbing it in From: "Chris Porter" <fxstsb@pop.sttl.uswest.net> Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 16:53:46 -0800 Had to rub it in eh Kieth "Keith 68 H.O. (Original WK block)", LOL. Thanks for the #'s. I'm just going to keep trying....someday I'll find one. Never know who is out there listening. I figure 2 times a year I'd post that question and see what happen's....... Chris `68 350 H.O. Drop-top ( NON original block ) :(
(back) Subject: RE: Trans shifter suggestions needed From: "Tim Marcinek" <marcts@ga.prestige.net> Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 20:27:08 -0500 I just used the same shifter that was in my car originally with the powerglide for my th400. It works fine. (68 console) Tim --