First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List RE: Big Tires by "Landis Rogers" <rogers_landis@hotmail.com> Re: 68 bird for sale by "Attila Szabo" <Attila_Sz@excite.com> Re: Wanting non-original seats by "Attila Szabo" <Attila_Sz@excite.com> (no subject) by "Jason Rogers" <jason.rogers@york.com> Matching Numbers by "Keith Donmoyer" <kadonny@hotmail.com> Rim Painting by "Keith Donmoyer" <kadonny@hotmail.com> T/A Nationals by "Trimpe, Bob" <TrimpeB@rajones.com> Transmission by "Attila Szabo" <Attila_Sz@excite.com> Firebird 350 by "Just Rod" <pjozif@hotmail.com> Re: Transmission by "John Wern" <jwern@gw.total-web.net> Re: T/A Nationals by "John Wern" <jwern@gw.total-web.net> Re: Wheel Balancing by "x1r1 x" <x1r1@hotmail.com> Available: Pontiac Bell Housing by "ROY D LUMSDEN" <rlumsden@tampabay.rr.com> Re: Firebird 350 by "scott" <saltyd@home.com> Re: ready to run... by <hugoba@apcom.com> re: My car on First Gen by "Clayton C Koch" <CCKoch@bellsouth.net> re: Wheel Balancing by "Clayton C Koch" <CCKoch@bellsouth.net> Re: GM paint #s for wheels by "dim" <dimbird@home.com> Re: My car on First Gen by "dim" <dimbird@home.com> Intake?? by <BigBlockPwr@cs.com> Re: Wheel Balancing by "dim" <dimbird@home.com> 68 parking light gaskets? by "Charles Hazelton" <chuckhazelton@surfree.com> Trim rings and center caps for 15x7 Rallye II's by "Chuck Sellers" <chuck_sellers@hotmail.com>
(back) Subject: RE: Big Tires From: "Landis Rogers" <rogers_landis@hotmail.com> Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 07:28:41 -0500 The 255/50 16 does have a relatively tall profile. I run 3:55 gears so getting a tire at least as tall the the redlines I took off was important. = The tire is about the same diameter as the orginal f70/14 that was on the car. The tire fill the wheel well nicely and just fit inside the fender lip. I run dulop sp8000. Nice tires. Landis 67 400 coupe once the weather turns nice I'll pull it out of storage and take some pictures to send to geoff for the owner pages _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
(back) Subject: Re: 68 bird for sale From: "Attila Szabo" <Attila_Sz@excite.com> Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 05:17:49 -0800 (PST) that's the car i was going to take a look at!!!... about 5-6 months ago... talked with the owner over the phone, found out the car was in a pile in = the garage and the frame was at a shop... I was mainly interested in the disk brakes, 400 hood, and the bumpers he had, but he would not part the car out.. he had hopes of getting a 100 point resto on it... i did not want to burst his bubble about that being almost impossible. (talked with a lady who had a complete resto done on a = 67 bird, cost BIG bucks.., but if one has the time and money i guess anything is possible.) Here's the clincher... i still have the ad (printed out) showing he wanted $2000 for the car back then.. (too bad i didn't have the room for ALL the spare parts!) :) Attila 68 350 coupe > Anyone in the northeast looking for another bird to work on? Wish it = was closer to me:>{ > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D5407588= 68 > Chuck > 68 350 Conv (soon to be back from the paint shop!!!!) _______________________________________________________ Send a cool gift with your E-Card http://www.bluemountain.com/giftcenter/
(back) Subject: Re: Wanting non-original seats From: "Attila Szabo" <Attila_Sz@excite.com> Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 06:07:13 -0800 (PST) chuck, i've been talking with COREAU about their Sport Seats.. $280-300 per seat, = + $75 for each braket that WILL fit the first gen birds. yup, it's a lot. i was also looking at finding some fiero, plymouth laser, eagle talon, = mits. eclipse (all early 90's) for some bucket seats. problem is matching them = to my interior... (most are not Black Vinyl) & some of the shops want = $200-400 for re-upholstery /per seat. and $100 per seat from a scrap yard, plus i would have to fab the brackets... either way i'm looking at $800 or more at least. i also wanted to put speakers in the headrest, which creates a whole new problem... they should have places for the seatbelts (i haven't asked)... i wanted to put a 3 point in (maybe a 5 if the 3 is not ok) take a look at their (Corbeau) on-line catalog @ http://www.corbeau.com/ please let me know if you find anything else out there... Attila 68 350 coupe ..................................................................... > I am very interested in getting some front seats for the bird that are comfy, safe and highback or have headrests. Has anyone done this or have a brand or internet site that has seats that fit or can be made to fit? Also, can they be had with safety harnesses or do the belts need to be > mounted somewhere other than the seats? I am thinking maybe I would = have to have a rollbar installed to get the necessary shoulder belts or a = harness mounted. Thanks for any info or input. > > Chuck Sellers > '68 350 convertible _______________________________________________________ Send a cool gift with your E-Card http://www.bluemountain.com/giftcenter/
(back) Subject: From: "Jason Rogers" <jason.rogers@york.com> Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 09:27:37 -0500 Anyone on the list know where I can get a kit to change from a column = shift automatic to a floor shift? Specifically, my neutral safety/reverse = lights do not work. I need a kit that transplants the switch from the column by the floor, into the shifter. Thanks in advance, Jason
(back) Subject: Matching Numbers From: "Keith Donmoyer" <kadonny@hotmail.com> Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 09:37:30 -0500 Hey Dfmcgr....(sorry did'nt get your first name) Do not get the block code (YT) and the engine production number (just = below the block code) confused with the VIN code. The block code and engine = prod number are located on the front of the motor by the passenger side = cylinder bank, sounds like you found this number. The block code should cross reference to the codes listed on the First Gen Firebird page for 1969, and = the engine production number should match the number on the PHS documentation. PHS documentation will confirm that it is a 400 car with a = th400 trans plus all options, however there have been noted cases where = the numbers on the PHS may not have been exactly 100% correct (could be typos = on these documents....very rare but has happened). So the true way to insure = that the motor and trans are original is to match the partial VIN numbers. = This VIN number was stamped on the front of the block, but way down by the = bottom of the timing chain cover. This number is extremely hard to see, = so take a small mirror and a flashlight when you go to see the car. This is the only true way (in my opinion) to insure that the engine is the = original engine. The number stamped down there will be a partial VIN, the same number as the VIN on the dash but missing the 2nd through the 5th digits. = This is the true test. If this number does not line up to the VIN of the car, then no matter what the code up by the cyl. bank, it is not the original engine. That partial VIN that is on the motor is also stamped on = the trans. I am not sure of the location on the TH400 trans but someone = on the list will know. As stated before, pick up a Year One catalog, they = have some good pics as to the location of these numbers. Hope this helps, good = luck Keith 68 H.O. numbers match Subject: Re: Matching Numbers? From: <Dfmcgr@cs.com> Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 22:08:03 EST In a message dated 1/12/01 11:35:15 PM Central Standard Time, paintit@gate.net writes: I've got little more information from the owner now. The VIN on the dash = is there, as is the number on the engine. Says he has PHS documentation. (I asked him to fax it to me) It is a 330 hp 400 w/th400 automatic. Engine = code is YT. Hope I don't sound too dumb but I assume the only way to be sure that the VIN and engine #'s match is with the PHS documentation. I assume there is no direct correlation in the numbers. The problem seems to be that the body plate usually attached to the = firewall is gone. The car is located about 600 miles away, so I want to make sure it's right before I travel to see it. Asking price is 12k.(standard int., clock, power conv. top, Rallye II wheels, ps,pb, sport wheel. Thanks for your help. I'm really impressed with the bank of knowledge = within this list serve. My first car was a 69 coupe bought in 1978 and sold in 1985. Been wanting to get another one for years. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
(back) Subject: Rim Painting From: "Keith Donmoyer" <kadonny@hotmail.com> Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 09:46:25 -0500 Dim: Thanks. I will let you know of my progress. Keith 68 H.O. Hey Keith. > >I had the same question as you. My rims are 14 x 7 stamped JS which I >found >were on the 69 firebirds and later models. I bought them already >blasted and primed for $125 and paid a body shop $160 to paint them >(base clear), but that was pretty low price because the owner kidded >that he would of rathered of bought me a new set of repro's for the time >he spent painting them (they came >out beautiful). Including trim rings, new G.M.caps, lug nuts the total >cost of my rims were about $600 CN. > >Regarding whether it is worth painting is up to you. In my case I am >pretty >sure that I can get my money back if I plan do do it all over again with >JC. Plus, lots of guys in the group hand painted them and had positive >results so that can be an option for you. > >I don't know how nice repro rims are but Ames sells them for $525 US >complete >so that is also an option. > >Make sure those rims fit (wheel wells, lug holes, disk brakes-if >applicable). > >Let me know how it goes and if you have anymore questions. > >I may have some pictures of my rims soon. > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
(back) Subject: T/A Nationals From: "Trimpe, Bob" <TrimpeB@rajones.com> Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 12:50:00 -0500 I got a packet from the T/A Nationals inviting me back to this year's = show. They sent me a list of the rules, last years winners, info on events, etc. I was surprised to receive a copy of my judging sheets from last year! I have never seen these before. It is very helpful to see where my car came = up short. I was pleased to see how good I did overall. The engine compartment was my weak spot; as you all know, I'm currently dong an "engine-out" detailing of this section. Two judges, 100 points each. My combined score was 150. My bird was put in the custom class, due to a number of small non-standard items. I'm hoping with the work I'm doing that I'll get into (or close to) stock class, where I think I'll do better. My stock paint = job is absolutely first-class, but I got a 20 of 25. I guess it's hard to compete with the wild graphics and crazy colors in the custom class. No gripes, though; those guys run a first-class operation. I had a blast last year, and I'm definitely going back. Anybody else? Bob Trimpe
(back) Subject: Transmission From: "Attila Szabo" <Attila_Sz@excite.com> Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 09:57:59 -0800 (PST) Hello everybody, I am thinking of upgrading my ST300 (2 spd auto) to a TH350 i picked up = from a GTO ('64-67). Still have to check the BOP housing pattern to make sure = it will fit the bird.. My question is on the shifter console i have... talking to a guy from a speed shop in the area i was told the ST300 console would be ok to use, i just would not be able to downshift manually (3 gears vs the 2 gears). is this accurate?? if not, how much would a 350 console cost me, and does anyone have one for sale? Would it be more beneficial to put in a 200R4, with the housing pattern = that fits the pontiacs... pricewise that is... how much should one cost from = the 'yard, and to rebuild? thanks in advance Attila 68 350 coupe _______________________________________________________ Send a cool gift with your E-Card http://www.bluemountain.com/giftcenter/
(back) Subject: Firebird 350 From: "Just Rod" <pjozif@hotmail.com> Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 19:22:19 -0000 Hello I'm new here, and thought i'd share a little about me I'm running a 68 firebird. This car is in no way original or numbers matching. Its painted dark blue and has rally 2 rims (15x7.5). Under the hood (feel free to scoff, or feel confused) is a 350 out of a 1976 = firebird. Its bone stock right now, yep even a 2bbl. No i didnt build the car this way, its how i got it when i retreived it from a big sleep since 85' from = a shop/barn type effort on a farm. The car runs surprisingly well, and after = all new fluids, and tires i drove it for about 1900miles over the summer after a tune up. Parked again for winter, i am making some plans. No i = wont swap the engine....$$$....but i am planning for a stock cast intake and = 4bbl carb, along with a distributor recurve, accel wires, and an open element K+N. I have dual exhaust, With dynomax super trubo mufflers, and i want to = install a 2100rpm converter and shift improver kit into the th-350. i am running highway gears......i guesstimate to be around 3.08, and no posi. What kinda figures to think this will net me from the stock 165hp rating----lol. i hope to get into the low 15's and basically just have a little fun ROD _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.
(back) Subject: Re: Transmission From: "John Wern" <jwern@gw.total-web.net> Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 16:22:44 -0500 Could you just but an aftermarket shifter? If so You can buy them on ebay used and sometimes new for anywhere from $75- - $150 -$200 If I understand your question correctly. John.. -----Original Message----- From: Attila Szabo <Attila_Sz@excite.com> To: First Generation Firebird-L <Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com> Date: Monday, January 15, 2001 3:10 PM Subject: Transmission >First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List >......................................................................... >Hello everybody, >I am thinking of upgrading my ST300 (2 spd auto) to a TH350 i picked up from >a GTO ('64-67). Still have to check the BOP housing pattern to make sure it >will fit the bird.. >My question is on the shifter console i have... talking to a guy from a >speed shop in the area i was told the ST300 console would be ok to use, i >just would not be able to downshift manually (3 gears vs the 2 gears). = is >this accurate?? if not, how much would a 350 console cost me, and does >anyone have one for sale? >Would it be more beneficial to put in a 200R4, with the housing pattern that >fits the pontiacs... pricewise that is... how much should one cost from the >'yard, and to rebuild? >thanks in advance >Attila >68 350 coupe >
(back) Subject: Re: T/A Nationals From: "John Wern" <jwern@gw.total-web.net> Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 16:44:08 -0500 If anyone is interested They have a site... http://www.angelfire.com/hi2/TransAmNationals/ . My goal is to be there = with my bird. Gotta quite drinking tha beer I guess. It's August 24th - 26th = in Vandalia, OH. (near Dayton). -----Original Message----- From: Trimpe, Bob <TrimpeB@rajones.com> To: 'Firebird list: post a message' <Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com> Date: Monday, January 15, 2001 3:16 PM Subject: T/A Nationals >First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List >......................................................................... >I got a packet from the T/A Nationals inviting me back to this year's = show. >They sent me a list of the rules, last years winners, info on events, = etc. > >I was surprised to receive a copy of my judging sheets from last year! I >have never seen these before. It is very helpful to see where my car came up >short. I was pleased to see how good I did overall. The engine = compartment >was my weak spot; as you all know, I'm currently dong an "engine-out" >detailing of this section. Two judges, 100 points each. My combined score >was 150. My bird was put in the custom class, due to a number of small >non-standard items. I'm hoping with the work I'm doing that I'll get into >(or close to) stock class, where I think I'll do better. My stock paint = job >is absolutely first-class, but I got a 20 of 25. I guess it's hard to >compete with the wild graphics and crazy colors in the custom class. No >gripes, though; those guys run a first-class operation. > >I had a blast last year, and I'm definitely going back. Anybody else? > >Bob Trimpe >
(back) Subject: Re: Wheel Balancing From: "x1r1 x" <x1r1@hotmail.com> Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 16:55:24 -0800 Dim, a "high performance" alignment shop will have a machine that dows on = car balancing at extra cost. The upside is that will also compenste for unbalanced brake components. Rowan >From: dim <dimbird@home.com> >Here's one for you... > >I want to re-balance my Ralley II's in the spring and there is no way >I am taking off those centre caps to put it in the balancing machine. >I checked quite a few places and none have the adaptor for the lug >holes. Is this a common problem? My centre caps are "GM pain in the >ass to install" ones so they don't come off easy. > >Later, >Dimbird. > Colleague! ><http://www.recommend-it.com/recommend.RecommendItCGI.fcgi?site=3D110478> > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
(back) Subject: Available: Pontiac Bell Housing From: "ROY D LUMSDEN" <rlumsden@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 20:30:10 -0500 Just thought I'd give you guys a chance at this. I've got a friend who has = a Pontiac bell housing of which he has no use (he's a chebby man). I asked = him if I could offer it to the list and, of course, he said yes. Here's the deal, make me an honest offer and expect to pay shipping and insurance (the bell housing is aluminum so it shouldn't be too much). I = will take the highest offer. I will not take bids, just your offer. I will = notify everyone who responds either yes or no. Please forward your offer to: rlumsden@tampabay.rr.com . Thanks and Good luck, Roy
(back) Subject: Re: Firebird 350 From: "scott" <saltyd@home.com> Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 19:40:34 -0600 Rod, if you have highway gears, what kinda rpm are you turning at say 55 MPH? If it is less than 2100 rpm I wouldn't go with a converter that big. = At cruising speeds anything under 2100 rpm you will feel like you are in neutral. I once rode in a corvette that had a 2800 rpm stall and it was no fun to just cruise around it. It was either all in the gas or not at all. Just something to think about. and i want to install a 2100rpm converter and shift improver kit into the th-350. i am running highway gears......i guesstimate to be around 3.08, and no posi. What kinda figures to think this will net me from the stock 165hp rating----lol. i hope to get into the low 15's and basically just have a little fun ROD
(back) Subject: Re: ready to run... From: <hugoba@apcom.com> Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 18:44:25 -0800 (PST) I'm sure it will be louser with the headers but if that's what you're = going to have on there permanently I would put those on. I guess the difference between LOUD and VERY LOUD won't matter ;-) Hugo > From Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com Sun Jan 14 22:26:01 2001 > From: "John Wern" <jwern@gw.total-web.net> > To: "First Generation Firebird-L" <Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com> > Subject: ready to run... > Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 00:40:06 -0500 > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > X-Priority: 3 > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 > > First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List > = ......................................................................... > Ok Ok Ok I've got a question for everyone and this just might be stupid > but -- Woud it be better to start my engine with the original exaust > manifolds or the new headman headers? Which will be louder? And can I > drive down the street like that? I care what the neighbors think but I'm > sure they want me to close my garage and have my sexy Firebird sent to = the > paint boooth -- so what the hell Lets run this lady around the block = so we > can have it hauled to the painter himself. Thanks John. > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
(back) Subject: re: My car on First Gen From: "Clayton C Koch" <CCKoch@bellsouth.net> Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 23:25:36 -0500 Dim ....good to hear your Bird is purebread ;-) So I guess that would make your car more unusal ?? TTYL. Clayton 68 350 HO
(back) Subject: re: Wheel Balancing From: "Clayton C Koch" <CCKoch@bellsouth.net> Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 23:32:59 -0500 Dim you can have the tires balanced on the car. Only problem is that nobody hardly does it anymore. I have been in the Biz for 20 years and hav`nt spin balanced a tire in.....15 years ?? Shop I work for has the stuff but, we are getting away from it because of the time it takes. I used the old clamp type heads and this stuff is the strobe light.What city are you in?? I am a member of IATN and can see if a Tech in your area can help you Clayton 68 350 HO
(back) Subject: Re: GM paint #s for wheels From: "dim" <dimbird@home.com> Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 22:54:39 -0500 Bob, I couldn't get the duplicolor paint either. Instead I used Dupont paint Charcoal WA 8945 C9132 Silver WA 9752 C9144 I picked it myself out of the paint book at the body shop and am very happy the way they turned out. Hope it helps. Dimbird.
(back) Subject: Re: My car on First Gen From: "dim" <dimbird@home.com> Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 23:01:04 -0500 Clayton, I still am not convinced that Firebirds wer made in Canada in 1968, can anybody prove me wrong? I think my car is no different than it it were bought in the U.S. Let me know, Thanks, Dim.
(back) Subject: Intake?? From: <BigBlockPwr@cs.com> Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 23:23:00 EST I know this is the wrong ? for this group. I just Bought a 1994 Camaro. = It has a LT1 but I read that If you put an LT4 Intake in the LT1 then it was like 35 Hp bolt on. Well the problem Is I can't find one anywere. Would anyone know how to get one or were one is at? Brandon 68 Firebird 400
(back) Subject: Re: Wheel Balancing From: "dim" <dimbird@home.com> Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 23:03:25 -0500 Clayton, if you have any balancing contacts in Toronto let me know I would be VERY grateful. I refuse to take off those caps. Thanks, Dim.
(back) Subject: 68 parking light gaskets? From: "Charles Hazelton" <chuckhazelton@surfree.com> Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 20:44:44 -0800 Anyone on here have a source for those gaskets? Checked Ames, Paddock & Classic Industries catalogs-no have. TIA. Chuck 68 350 Conv Back from the paint shop and it's soooo slick a bug can't land on it!!!! Yeeee Haaaaa
(back) Subject: Trim rings and center caps for 15x7 Rallye II's From: "Chuck Sellers" <chuck_sellers@hotmail.com> Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 22:01:11 -0800 Hey folks... Are the trim rings all the same size or are they specific (i.e 14" or 15") to the rim size? I found a good deal on a set of 5 15x7 Rallye II's (code JJ) without trim rings or center caps. Where is a good source for the trim rings and center caps (besides eBay)? Has anyone bought them from Ames or CI? How do you like the quality? Incidentally, I can't find a JJ code for Rallye II's. What car did these originally belong to? Chuck Sellers '68 350 convertible