First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List Barrett-Jackson auction this week by "bird" <bird@javanet.com> Re: Trim rings and center caps for 15x7 Rallye II's by "Brian Sargent" <bjsbird1@yahoo.com> Re: Transmission by "Attila Szabo" <Attila_Sz@excite.com> RE: "d"port or "round" port by "Tim Marcinek" <marcts@ga.prestige.net> Re: Wanting non-original seats by "Attila Szabo" <Attila_Sz@excite.com> RE: "d"port or "round" port by "Trimpe, Bob" <TrimpeB@rajones.com> Re: "d"port or "round" port by "Frank Zeller" <fzeller@tri-austin.com> Re: Trim rings and center caps for 15x7 Rallye II's by "John Wern" <jwern@gw.total-web.net> Re: Air Condition 68 firebird by <Rprimb18p@aol.com> Re: Transmission by "John Wern" <jwern@gw.total-web.net> Re: Fw: Seat Belts by "Niklas Ridell" <vcc2.nridell@memo.volvo.se> Rear View Mirror resto??? by "David Kiklis" <David_Kiklis@abtassoc.com> Re: Transmission by <Paddy68@aol.com> Re: Transmission by <Paddy68@aol.com> Will a 455 fit by "Provost, Marty" <MProvost@LiquidGolf.com> Re: Rear View Mirror resto??? by "Jeff Davis" <Jeff_Davis19@excite.com>
(back) Subject: Barrett-Jackson auction this week From: "bird" <bird@javanet.com> Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 07:01:42 -0500 Hi Gang - I am fulfilling a wish I've had for years. On Thursday I'm flying out to Phoenix to go to the Barrett-Jackson classic car auction/extravaganza! I cashed in my frequent-flier points and am = crashing at the in-laws, who live 10 miles away from the auction site. I'm going = to watch, dream and drool. Is anyone on the list from the area and/or planning to go? Maybe we could = hook up and say hello. Also if you have any tips or suggestions on how to best enjoy the auction or surrounding activities, I'd be grateful for the input. Barrett-Jackson is held annually in Monaco in summer and Scottsdale AZ in winter. If you're curious their website is www.barrett-jackson.com.
(back) Subject: Re: Trim rings and center caps for 15x7 Rallye II's From: "Brian Sargent" <bjsbird1@yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 04:20:43 -0800 (PST) Chuck, Here is a web site on Pontiac rims. It appears they are not sure about the "JJ" wheels either. There is a question mark after the "JJ" on both 14" and 15" wheels. http://soli.inav.net/~pontiac/wheels.html Give me a call when you're in my area Brian 69 conv. --- Chuck Sellers <chuck_sellers@hotmail.com> wrote: > First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List > .......................................................................... > Hey folks... > > Are the trim rings all the same size or are they > specific (i.e 14" or 15") > to the rim size? I found a good deal on a set of 5 > 15x7 Rallye II's (code > JJ) without trim rings or center caps. > > Where is a good source for the trim rings and center > caps (besides eBay)? > Has anyone bought them from Ames or CI? How do you > like the quality? > > Incidentally, I can't find a JJ code for Rallye > II's. What car did these > originally belong to? > > > Chuck Sellers > '68 350 convertible > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/
(back) Subject: Re: Transmission From: "Attila Szabo" <Attila_Sz@excite.com> Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 04:45:43 -0800 (PST) The guy at the speed shop i was talking to said i would only have to get = an adaptor plate and the "new" gear indicator (the plastic with the "R" & "D"... sorry i don't know what else to call it) I'll have to take a better look, i'm not sure how the connection is = made... you're right though, somebody must make an aftermarket shifter for the th350. i was thinking $400 for the rebuild of the tranny i have (I hope = it fits) and then another $200 for installation, $100 for a new driveshaft... = and $100 for a shifter. ughhhhh... Attila 68 350 coupe ...................................................................... > Could you just but an aftermarket shifter? If so You can buy them on = ebay used and sometimes new for anywhere from $75- - $150 -$200 If I understand your question correctly. John.. > -----Original Message----- > >Hello everybody, > >I am thinking of upgrading my ST300 (2 spd auto) to a TH350 i picked = up from a GTO ('64-67). Still have to check the BOP housing pattern to make sure it will fit the bird.. > >My question is on the shifter console i have... talking to a guy from = a speed shop in the area i was told the ST300 console would be ok to use, i just would not be able to downshift manually (3 gears vs the 2 gears). is this accurate?? if not, how much would a 350 console cost me, and does anyone have one for sale? > >Would it be more beneficial to put in a 200R4, with the housing = pattern that fits the pontiacs... pricewise that is... how much should one cost from the 'yard, and to rebuild? > >thanks in advance > >Attila > >68 350 coupe _______________________________________________________ Send a cool gift with your E-Card http://www.bluemountain.com/giftcenter/
(back) Subject: RE: "d"port or "round" port From: "Tim Marcinek" <marcts@ga.prestige.net> Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 07:52:23 -0500 Danny, all edelbrock heads are round port. I am positive about this! You have = to use headers or exhaust manifolds made for round port. This is the main reason I did not but the e heads, since I would have to get very expensive headers, or manifolds, and I already have headers on the car. rest assured they are round port. just get headers or manifold for round port and it will work (they are expensive)
(back) Subject: Re: Wanting non-original seats From: "Attila Szabo" <Attila_Sz@excite.com> Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 05:01:57 -0800 (PST) i don't know if this got through the system the first time soooo... - - - - chuck, i've been talking with COREAU about their Sport Seats.. $280-300 per seat, = + $75 for each braket that WILL fit the first gen birds. yup, it's a lot. = i was also looking at finding some fiero, plymouth laser, eagle talon, mits. = eclipse (all early 90's) for some bucket seats. problem is matching them = to my interior... (most are not Black Vinyl) & some of the shops want = $200-400 for re-upholstery /per seat. and $100 per seat from a scrap yard, plus i would have to fab the brackets... either way i'm looking at $800 or more = at least. i also wanted to put speakers in the headrest, which creates a whole new problem... they should have places for the seatbelts (i haven't asked)... i wanted to = put a 3 point in (maybe a 5 if the 3 is not ok) take a look at their (Corbeau) on-line catalog @ http://www.corbeau.com/ please let me know if you find anything else out there... Attila 68 350 coupe .................................................................... >I am very interested in getting some front seats for the bird that are comfy, safe and highback or have headrests. Has anyone done this or have a brand or internet site that has seats that fit or can be made to fit? > Also, can they be had with safety harnesses or do the belts need to be mounted somewhere other than the seats? I am thinking maybe I would have = to have a rollbar installed to get the necessary shoulder belts or a harness mounted. > Thanks for any info or input. > > > > Chuck Sellers > > '68 350 convertible _______________________________________________________ Send a cool gift with your E-Card http://www.bluemountain.com/giftcenter/
(back) Subject: RE: "d"port or "round" port From: "Trimpe, Bob" <TrimpeB@rajones.com> Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 08:24:51 -0500 Danny, Here's a pic of some longbranch manifolds. I am not enough of an expert to say if longbranch =3D RamAir, but this pic may help the conversation. http://albums.photopoint.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3D574120&a=3D4193633&p=3D3822767= 7 Bob Trimpe -----Original Message----- From: danny [mailto:dannyboylll@qwest.net] Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2001 2:37 AM To: First Generation Firebird-L Subject: "d"port or "round" port First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List .......................................................................... ok i am getting more confused by the minute i have a set of aluminum edelbrock heads "performer rpm heads. "the 1800$ ones in any jegs or = summit catalog. do these heads have round port or D port exhaust holes???? i can't seem to figure this because both my aluminum heads and a set of cast iron stock heads both have ports that look D shaped to me my heads have the flat part of the "D" on the bottom of the exhaust port, and the round part of the D in the top. the other ones have the "D" arranged with their flat sides togther (center ports) i have whipped up a quick and dirty pict of what i am talking about. if anyone wants to mail me off list i wil send it. Edelbrock claims that these heads (my aluminum ones) have their exhaust ports "patterned after RA IV exhaust ports." in the ames catalog they = sell manifolds that will fit RA IV ROUND PORT heads. now here is the = kicker... edelbrock clamis that their heads are D port heads!!!!!!! so... that = means that pontiac either made both round and D port RA IV heads, or someone = made a mistake in their catalogs. either way i need some definite info on weather my heads are round or D port. -danny 68 400 new mex.
(back) Subject: Re: "d"port or "round" port From: "Frank Zeller" <fzeller@tri-austin.com> Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 08:10:18 -0600 Danny, Web link has most of the Pontiac heads pictured. The RA IV and E heads = are near the bottom. Your right the E heads are more of a d shape exhaust = port, but they use the round port headers. http://members.tripod.com/futom/id90.htm Frank >>> dannyboylll@qwest.net 01/16/01 01:37AM >>> First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List .......................................................................... ok i am getting more confused by the minute i have a set of aluminum edelbrock heads "performer rpm heads. "the 1800$ ones in any jegs or = summit catalog. do these heads have round port or D port exhaust holes???? i can't seem to figure this because both my aluminum heads and a set of cast iron stock heads both have ports that look D shaped to me my heads have the flat part of the "D" on the bottom of the exhaust port, and the round part of the D in the top. the other ones have the "D" arranged with their flat sides togther (center ports) i have whipped up a quick and dirty pict of what i am talking about. if anyone wants to mail me off list i wil send it. Edelbrock claims that these heads (my aluminum ones) have their exhaust ports "patterned after RA IV exhaust ports." in the ames catalog they sell manifolds that will fit RA IV ROUND PORT heads. now here is the kicker... edelbrock clamis that their heads are D port heads!!!!!!! so... that means that pontiac either made both round and D port RA IV heads, or someone = made a mistake in their catalogs. either way i need some definite info on weather my heads are round or D port. -danny 68 400 new mex.
(back) Subject: Re: Trim rings and center caps for 15x7 Rallye II's From: "John Wern" <jwern@gw.total-web.net> Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 10:29:34 -0500 Chuck Ames's center caps are very good quality and you will like the way = it attaches to the wheel. You can go to this web site and see one I took a close up of... http://communities.msn.com/FirebirdRestoration Hope this helps. -----Original Message----- From: Chuck Sellers <chuck_sellers@hotmail.com> To: Firebird List <Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com> Date: Tuesday, January 16, 2001 2:56 AM Subject: Trim rings and center caps for 15x7 Rallye II's >First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List >......................................................................... >Hey folks... > >Are the trim rings all the same size or are they specific (i.e 14" or = 15") >to the rim size? I found a good deal on a set of 5 15x7 Rallye II's (code >JJ) without trim rings or center caps. > >Where is a good source for the trim rings and center caps (besides eBay)? >Has anyone bought them from Ames or CI? How do you like the quality? > >Incidentally, I can't find a JJ code for Rallye II's. What car did these >originally belong to? > > >Chuck Sellers >'68 350 convertible
(back) Subject: Re: Air Condition 68 firebird From: <Rprimb18p@aol.com> Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 10:15:01 EST I am looking for a part that I am having a problem finding .I hope = someone here can help. for a 68 firebird with air condition I need the muffler assembly that goes on the rear of the compressor This is the can that sets = parrallel with the compressor and has two lines running from it ,one to = the evaporator and one to the condenser. It fits firebird only. I do not know = if 67-69 are the same as 68, I would think so, buut do not know. You can = contact me off list at rprimb18p@aol.com Or on list. Thanks Bob Prim 68 bird
(back) Subject: Re: Transmission From: "John Wern" <jwern@gw.total-web.net> Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 10:44:41 -0500 If you got to the Hurst web site you will find just about all of their = auto shifters fit the th350. You can access Hurst at www.mrgaskets.com . Hope this helps. The th350 comes with a bracket that connects to the cable and the end of the cable fits on a small shaft that changes the gears. John. = .. -----Original Message----- From: Attila Szabo <Attila_Sz@excite.com> To: First Generation Firebird-L <Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com> Date: Tuesday, January 16, 2001 9:05 AM Subject: Re: Transmission >First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List >......................................................................... >The guy at the speed shop i was talking to said i would only have to get = an >adaptor plate and the "new" gear indicator (the plastic with the "R" & >"D"... sorry i don't know what else to call it) >I'll have to take a better look, i'm not sure how the connection is = made... >you're right though, somebody must make an aftermarket shifter for the >th350. i was thinking $400 for the rebuild of the tranny i have (I hope = it >fits) and then another $200 for installation, $100 for a new = driveshaft... >and $100 for a shifter. >ughhhhh... >Attila >68 350 coupe >..................................................................... >> Could you just but an aftermarket shifter? If so You can buy them on ebay >used and sometimes new for anywhere from $75- - $150 -$200 If I >understand your question correctly. John.. > >> -----Original Message----- >> >Hello everybody, >> >I am thinking of upgrading my ST300 (2 spd auto) to a TH350 i picked = up >from a GTO ('64-67). Still have to check the BOP housing pattern to make >sure it will fit the bird.. >> >My question is on the shifter console i have... talking to a guy from = a >speed shop in the area i was told the ST300 console would be ok to use, i >just would not be able to downshift manually (3 gears vs the 2 gears). = is >this accurate?? if not, how much would a 350 console cost me, and does >anyone have one for sale? >> >Would it be more beneficial to put in a 200R4, with the housing = pattern >that fits the pontiacs... pricewise that is... how much should one cost >from the 'yard, and to rebuild? >> >thanks in advance >> >Attila >> >68 350 coupe > > > > > >_______________________________________________________ >Send a cool gift with your E-Card >http://www.bluemountain.com/giftcenter/ >
(back) Subject: Re: Fw: Seat Belts From: "Niklas Ridell" <vcc2.nridell@memo.volvo.se> Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 16:54:16 +0100 Sorry Joe I didn't notice your previous posting. Last winter I installed 3-point roll belts for the front seats. I used a universal kit made to fit any car. It was quite some job involved to get the fixations strong enough. I used the original fixation point for the buckle and the lower end of the belt at the rocker as well. The only thing I'm not to happy about is the roof fixation, it's is also in the original position but custom made. It's to far back giving a crappy belt geometry. The belt rubs my neck. If you're not familiar with the original shoulder belts take a look at: http://FirstGenFirebird.org/firebird/graphics/accessories/431.jpg I was expecting to find weld nuts under the headlining but what can I say, they just wasn't there. It was a PITA to get a steel block with two tapped holes in between the outer and inner body structure. Maybe there's a = better way to solve that problem. I am very happy with the belt roll position, they fit perfectly in the = rear seat armrests. But the body is not very strong in this area with lots of slots and holes so I decided to reinforce by welding a patch on top of the structure. The belt comes up between the inner side trim and the armrest. No damage done to trim parts except the two small bolt holes in the = headliner. Hope you manage to follow my bad english... /Niklas 68 Coupe jb.pb@gte.net wrote: > > > I did not get any replies on that topic , no I have not got a chance = to > look > > around at the junk yards . I am going to install 3 point seat belt for = two > > reasons , 1- safety 2- not having the inside belt hitting the console = .. > > Joe > >
(back) Subject: Rear View Mirror resto??? From: "David Kiklis" <David_Kiklis@abtassoc.com> Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 12:12:58 -0500 Folks, I reinstalled the rearview last night and like some others on the list the silvering has begun to peel off the back of the mirror itself. My housing is in perfect condition, but the mirror looks awful. It looks like the mirror is simply a flat piece of glass. I was thinking I could disassemble the mirror and get a new piece cut at a glass shop. Anyone ever attempted this? David Kiklis Director of Computer Services Abt Associates Inc. 55 Wheeler St. Cambridge MA 02138 617-520-3661 p 617-520-3640 f
(back) Subject: Re: Transmission From: <Paddy68@aol.com> Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 13:28:02 EST If you got to the Hurst web site you will find just about all of their = auto shifters fit the th350. You can access Hurst at www.mrgaskets.com . Hope this helps. The th350 comes with a bracket that connects to the cable and the end of the cable fits on a small shaft that changes the gears. John. = .. >The guy at the speed shop i was talking to said i would only have to get = an >adaptor plate and the "new" gear indicator (the plastic with the "R" & >"D"... sorry i don't know what else to call it) >I'll have to take a better look, i'm not sure how the connection is = made... >you're right though, somebody must make an aftermarket shifter for the >th350. i was thinking $400 for the rebuild of the tranny i have (I hope = it >fits) and then another $200 for installation, $100 for a new = driveshaft... >and $100 for a shifter. >ughhhhh... >Attila >68 350 coupe I am sorry that I don't remember the original post question but there are = a few things I can shed some light on pertaining to this subject. First of all, the TH350 and TH400 Shifter brackets are different. The bolt hole spacing is different. Make sure you get a shifter cable bracket for a = TH350 (if that is what you are running). Secondly, I believe the stock shifters = for a Power Glide and a 3 speed are different. If you want a good = compromise between after market and stock I would recommend the 69 three speed = shifter. This shifter has stops on the right hand side of the gate to prevent you = from shifting more than one gear at a time. If you look at the black plastic filler piece that the shifter handle goes through you will notice it is oblong shaped. The handle toggles left and right. Pull the shifter into first and push it to the right. Push the shifter up until it stops and = let it go. It will spring back to the left. This is hard to explain but it = only lets you shift one gear at a time. I have never used an after market = shifter in any of my cars and I've gone as fast as 12.80's consistently with a = 69,400 hardtop. Just a thought. If you wish to retain the stock console I would = recommend the stock shifter. The 69 looks like the 68 except for this = gate in the black plastic shifter cover that allows the shifter to "toggle" = back and forth ... so not many people will catch the change. The only other difference between the two is how the cover plate affixes to the shifter. = 69's had screws through the plate while 68's had clips underneath the = plate that held the plate to the shifter. If you wish to keep it looking = correct you must knock out the square plastic license plate looking anchors that = the 69 uses to screw the plate down with. The square holes left are where the = clips on the back of a 68 shifter plate go through to hold it down. The shifter plate I am talking about is the wood grained plate that covers the = hole in the console and has two holes in it, one to allow the shifter to = go through it and another to view the "P", "R", "N", "D", "2", "1" gear indicator. Hope I helped and didn't just confuse. LOL
(back) Subject: Re: Transmission From: <Paddy68@aol.com> Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 13:40:02 EST Hello everybody, >I am thinking of upgrading my ST300 (2 spd auto) to a TH350 i picked up from >a GTO ('64-67). Still have to check the BOP housing pattern to make sure it >will fit the bird.. >My question is on the shifter console i have... talking to a guy from a >speed shop in the area i was told the ST300 console would be ok to use, i >just would not be able to downshift manually (3 gears vs the 2 gears). = is >this accurate?? if not, how much would a 350 console cost me, and does >anyone have one for sale? >Would it be more beneficial to put in a 200R4, with the housing pattern that >fits the pontiacs... pricewise that is... how much should one cost from the >'yard, and to rebuild? >thanks in advance >Attila >68 350 coupe > OK, I found your original post. The Tranny will fit as long as it is of = BOP vintage. The cross member is the same for a 2 speed, a TH350, and any = stick available at the time. The 400 is the only one that's different. The = console is the same from Power Glide to TH400. You just have to change the = shifter. I haven't seen an after market shifter that fits into the console nicely. = That is why I recommended the 69 unit. Good luck and let us know how it = all turned out. BTW, Why not just trade in the tranny you have now for one = that has been built already? Same result without the wait. The one you have isn't original in the car anyway right? It doesn't matter what year the tranny is as long as it's out of a Buick, Pontiac, or Olds. Why wait for = the one you have to be rebuilt? Just my . 02
(back) Subject: Will a 455 fit From: "Provost, Marty" <MProvost@LiquidGolf.com> Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 14:57:36 -0500 Hi All, I have an opportunity to buy a 455 out of a bonneville. Anybody know what (if any) modifications I will need to do to get it to fit? Thanks, Marty
(back) Subject: Re: Rear View Mirror resto??? From: "Jeff Davis" <Jeff_Davis19@excite.com> Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 12:55:51 -0800 (PST) Yes, mine is "fading", too. Replacing the glass with standard mirrored glass might be OK, but you should consider that the day/night effect would be lost in doing that. You may want to find a day/night mirror to replace yours or have the original mirror re-silvered. That's the option I might choose if I can't find a a good quality repro at a reasonable price. Jeff Davis '68 350 convertible On Tue, 16 Jan 2001 12:12:58 -0500, First Generation Firebird-L wrote: > > Folks, > > I reinstalled the rearview last night and like some others on > the list the silvering has begun to peel off the back of the > mirror itself. My housing is in perfect condition, but the > mirror looks awful. It looks like the mirror is simply a flat > piece of glass. I was thinking I could disassemble the mirror > and get a new piece cut at a glass shop. Anyone ever attempted > this? > > David Kiklis > Director of Computer Services > Abt Associates Inc. > 55 Wheeler St. Cambridge MA 02138 > 617-520-3661 p > 617-520-3640 f _______________________________________________________ Send a cool gift with your E-Card http://www.bluemountain.com/giftcenter/