First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List Re: 455 engine pieces recommendations by <PStonebrak@aol.com> Part Identification: Backseat Side Panel (Lower) by "William Hewitt" <WH@choate.com> Re: by <Duane_W_Aldrich@armstrong.com> neutral safety switch problems by "Erich Wagner" <ewagner@advancepac.com> RE: 455 engine pieces recommendations by "Provost, Marty" <MProvost@LiquidGolf.com> OK don't laugh by "Teresa Longworth" <ccscnl@shasta.com> Re: '67-69 Bird Radiator by <IDOW8S2@aol.com> RE: neutral safety switch problems by "Trimpe, Bob" <TrimpeB@rajones.com> Re: OK don't laugh by "Michael Howell" <fishgod@iglou.com> Ebay Console Clock Item #544383560 by "AL ROJAS" <amr@appsig.com> Re: Ignition keys by "John Wern" <jwern@gw.total-web.net> Re: 455 engine pieces recommendations by <PStonebrak@aol.com> Engine miss battle by "AL ROJAS" <amr@appsig.com> Re: Firebird-L Digest #1700 by <BHA676@aol.com> '69 Camaro Remote mirror and scuff plates by "AL ROJAS" <amr@appsig.com> Re: '67-69 Bird Radiator by <BHA676@aol.com> fan question??? by <BHA676@aol.com> fan pulley diameter?\ by <BHA676@aol.com> master cylinder clicking noise by <BHA676@aol.com> alternator belt size what kind? cogged? by <BHA676@aol.com> Re: Part Identification: Backseat Side Panel (Lower) by "Brian Sargent" <bjsbird1@yahoo.com>
(back) Subject: Re: 455 engine pieces recommendations From: <PStonebrak@aol.com> Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 07:16:09 EST BUILD IT STOCK. USE AN 068 (RA111) CAM. ANY PONTIAC HEAD WITH SCREW IN = STUDS AND 90-100CC CHAMBERS. ITS LOW END TORQUE BABY AND LOTS OF IT! PUMP GAS, RELIABILITY, AND SMOKING THE HIDES AT A DROP OF THE FOOT. FORGET THE = HEADERS AND LOSE THOSE PESKY STARTER PROBLEMS. PETE
(back) Subject: Part Identification: Backseat Side Panel (Lower) From: "William Hewitt" <WH@choate.com> Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 09:04:57 -0500 I have a 1968 convertible. I am trying to identify a part and can't seem = to find it listed in any of the catalogs. Can anyone tell me what the = proper name is of the lower side panel in the backseat area? Even = better, does anyone know if this part (for both the right and left sides) = is in any of the major catalogs (Ames, Year One, Classic Industries, = etc.)? Thanks for the help. Bill Hewitt 68 350 HO Convertible
(back) Subject: Re: From: <Duane_W_Aldrich@armstrong.com> Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 09:20:18 -0500 Jason, On my '69, I have linkage that runs from the floor shifter to the trans = and linkage that runs from the trans to the column. When I changed to a B&M = shifter (I know, I know) the shifter came with it's own switches. Mainly, if your switching to a stock floor shifter, see if you can attach your original = column linkage to the new shift linkage. That way your switches still work = without moving them. Good luck, Duane A "69 coupe .......................................................................... >Anyone on the list know where I can get a kit to change from a column = shift >automatic to a floor shift? Specifically, my neutral safety/reverse = lights >do not work. I need a kit that transplants the switch from the column by >the floor, into the shifter. Thanks in advance, >Jason
(back) Subject: neutral safety switch problems From: "Erich Wagner" <ewagner@advancepac.com> Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 09:30:08 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=3D_NextPart_000_0018_01C08131.3FAC2200 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have tried to install three Neutral Safety Switches in my 67 Firebird (Convertible, powerglide automatic, 326, console shifter). The problem is that I cannot seem to get the switch mounted in the same radius as the shifter. When I install it and try to shift out of park the white part inside the black housing binds-up, goes out of line and breaks the black housing. Any thoughts? 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(back) Subject: RE: 455 engine pieces recommendations From: "Provost, Marty" <MProvost@LiquidGolf.com> Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 10:00:51 -0500 My rear is a 3.08. Should I keep this ratio or make it taller? Tranny: How does the th400 compare to the 700r4? Rockers: how much more performance do you get with roller vs. regular and 1.6 vs. 1.5? Heads: for the $1600 what am I really getting with the edlebrock aluminum heads? Dissipate heat better/quicker and weigh less, is that it? Cam: how much more performance do you get with roller vs. regular? Thank You All!!! I don't know what I would do without this list. Marty -----Original Message----- From: Tim Marcinek [mailto:marcts@ga.prestige.net] Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2001 11:20 PM To: 'First Generation Firebird-L' Subject: RE: 455 engine pieces recommendations First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List .......................................................................... As mentioned you don't need to have the aluminum heads to have a very = strong street motor and they are expensive at around 1600$. Roller cam is also = not necessary for the street I am using the comp xe268h 224/230 @.050. The = cam really depends on your trans and rear ratio. Numerically higher rear, you can go longer on the duration, moving your power band up higher in the rpm range. Roller cam will also cost you quite a bit more, but may be better. As far as transmission, my friend has destroyed one 4 speed with his 428 already./ As far as I know the only sure bet with a 455 is a th400. You are looking at 500+ lb-ft of torque which is tough to handle. go to the cp website at http://www.classicalpontiac.com/ and go to q & a search for 455 in the archives. these things have = discussed a million times, there is tons of info about all of the possible combinations. tim
(back) Subject: OK don't laugh From: "Teresa Longworth" <ccscnl@shasta.com> Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 06:58:37 -0800 Just go my Ames catalog in the mail and I am jacked - going to bring my baby back from her deep sleep. I go to bed at night dreaming of cruzing in the old days. I thought of the old Johnny Cash song "One piece at a time" when thumbing through the catalog. Looking forward to summer hours to start the long slow process and hoping you guys won't mind me sharing what step I am on and asking for your input. The engine in my 68 has been lightly stripped by a druggie family member i.e. radiator hoses, battery cables, would you believe the stupid oil cap. Now I have to pull the valve covers to see what the heck got in there with rats and squirrels stashing their acorns in the engine well. That's my major first step is cleaning the engine well, checking wires, etc. Then I need some input on starting an engine that hasn't turned over in a few years. I guess another question is going to be the fuel tank - any chance of crud in there and what do you do about that? Thanks guys!
(back) Subject: Re: '67-69 Bird Radiator From: <IDOW8S2@aol.com> Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 10:20:21 EST I have a 67 with 2 speed auto will it keep it cool my car has a 326. thanks Dan
(back) Subject: RE: neutral safety switch problems From: "Trimpe, Bob" <TrimpeB@rajones.com> Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 11:35:16 -0500 Erich, I can show you my old 2-speed console, if you think that might help. I removed the neutral switch and used it on my dual-gate, but the mounting provisions should still be evident on the two-speed. You've got my phone# so let me know. PS I got some hi-temp paint; it needs to be baked on within one week on application. Let me know when we can set up a time for oven-baking! Thanks, Bob Trimpe -----Original Message----- From: ewagner@advancepac.com [mailto:ewagner@advancepac.com] Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2001 9:30 AM To: FIRST GENERATION,List Subject: neutral safety switch problems I have tried to install three Neutral Safety Switches in my 67 Firebird (Convertible, powerglide automatic, 326, console shifter). The problem is that I cannot seem to get the switch mounted in the same radius as the shifter. When I install it and try to shift out of park the white part inside the black housing binds-up, goes out of line and breaks the black housing. Any thoughts? Thanks, Erich Wagner
(back) Subject: Re: OK don't laugh From: "Michael Howell" <fishgod@iglou.com> Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 11:48:36 -0500 After cleaning the critter-crap out, see if you can turn the engine by hand. If not, first thing I would do is get some Marvel Mystery Oil and put some down each of the cylinders. Let it sit at least one night and then try to turn the engine by hand again. It should free up eventually.. = but if it was stuck it's probably not in the best condition. Go on and pull that gas tank down and have it cleaned out. If it's been sitting a few years there is a good chance of sludge and rust in there. You can get = a kit from POR-15 (www.por15.com) that works well for cleaning and sealing... or if it's too far gone just get a replacement tank. If you don't want to clean it yourself, take it to a radiator shop, most will clean gas tanks for around $30-40. While it's out, flush out the fuel line(s) with some fresh gas and change the fuel filter. Once you've got this done and the engine will turn by hand, I would change the oil and = then try to start it. I've seen cars sitting a lot longer than a few years get = started by this method... Good luck! Mike '68 350 Coupe - - - - step is cleaning the engine well, checking wires, etc. Then I need some input on starting an engine that hasn't turned over in a few years. I guess another question is going to be the fuel tank - any chance of crud = in there and what do you do about that? Thanks guys!
(back) Subject: Ebay Console Clock Item #544383560 From: "AL ROJAS" <amr@appsig.com> Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 09:19:39 -0800 1969 Pontiac Firebird orignal console Clock Item #544383560
(back) Subject: Re: Ignition keys From: "John Wern" <jwern@gw.total-web.net> Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 12:46:33 -0500 Oh my gosh.. -----Original Message----- From: kmorrow@socket.net <kmorrow@socket.net> To: Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com <Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com> Date: Thursday, January 18, 2001 12:41 AM Subject: Re: Ignition keys >First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List >......................................................................... >Before anyone else tears up there locks I thought this might be helpful. = If you >have the billing history for your car from PHS it lists the four digit ignition >key and trunk key codes. Take this to a GM dealer and they can look up = the code >in the key code book and get the 6 cuts and punch a key with the curtis >keycutter they all have. If you don't have the codes the four digit codes are >stamped on the original door lock and trunk lock cylinders also. The door >matches the ignition(unless someone changed something) and the trunk matches >the glove box. Their are six cuts on the keys with 5 possibilties for = each. >Example, my 67 bird ignition and doors are 7W05, in key cuts this is 532242. >The trunk and glove box was 2X52, which is 431132. The cuts are from the head >to tip holding the head to the right. The dealers use a punch or = knotching tool >which you set the dials to those numbers in that order. They did not use the >grinders you see in hardware stores, it is a simple hand tool. The = correct key >blanks for 67 are A blank for door and ignition and B blank for trunk and glove >box, the ignition has a octagon head with the Briggs and Stratton logo = and the >trunk is more of a rounded scallopped head with the logo. Dealers also = have the >tumblers to code any of the cylinders also. If anyone needs to know their key >cuts I have a hole box of key code books as well as the punch tool and = key >blanks, and tumblers I bought from an old dealer closing. > >Thanks >Kane > > >
(back) Subject: Re: 455 engine pieces recommendations From: <PStonebrak@aol.com> Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 13:53:30 EST I AM RUNNING A 3.07 WITH THE TALLEST TIRE I CAN FIT. IT LOVES IT. A TH400 WILL ALSO BE CHEAPER AND WILL NOT BREAK AS EASY AS 700R4. FIND A 400 OUT = OF A 65-67 BIG BUICK, OLDS, CADILLAC. IT WILL HAVE A STALL UPON DEMAND. CALLED = A VARI-PITCH TH400. WORKS GREAT REGULAR DRIVING OR DRAGRACING. PETE
(back) Subject: Engine miss battle From: "AL ROJAS" <amr@appsig.com> Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 10:54:05 -0800 I've been fighting an engine miss problem now for several months. It seems to be getting worse. I hate taking it to a mechanic for diagnostics. Maybe someone can make a suggestion on what to look for next. It's a random miss. It almost sounds like it's carburetor related. I've replaced the following: Plugs, point, cap, rotor, fuel filter, (wires are about 7 years old with about 10K miles), coil (MSD Blaster w resistor). Dwell is 30 degrees, timing is set, manifold vacuum is about 18 - 19 in and steady. I've pinched off all the vacuum lines and there was no change in the vacuum reading or RPM. I've also tried spraying carb cleaner around the carb and intake. No changes in RPM were detected. What about the timing chain? I was told I should measure the slack by moving the crank to TDC, then rotate in the opposite direction until the distributor moves, the read the timing mark where at the point the distributor moved. If it was greater than 2 degrees, the chain and gear should be replaced. Is this correct? I'm wondering about the carb. It's an Edelbrock 600 CFM. What should I look for? I'm thinking about getting the Pertonix ignition, but don't want to add it until I solve this miss problem. Thanks in advance for the help. Al
(back) Subject: Re: Firebird-L Digest #1700 From: <BHA676@aol.com> Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 13:57:30 EST I was wondering the same thing myself. Has anyone done this? Is the = mirror special in anyway or only the angle change mechanism? Mine should polish = up nice and is in great shape besides the mirror desilvering. brad 67 400 convert
(back) Subject: '69 Camaro Remote mirror and scuff plates From: "AL ROJAS" <amr@appsig.com> Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 10:57:52 -0800 I just noticed this remote mirror at Vintage Again. It says it for a '69 Camaro, but it looks like the one on my '68 Firebird. $89.99. Did anyone buy one of these? http://www.vintageagain.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=3D60& Also, there are a pair of NOS scuff plates on Ebay. #543982268 Al
(back) Subject: Re: '67-69 Bird Radiator From: <BHA676@aol.com> Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 14:05:45 EST The answer is maybe. Welcome to the wonderful world of cooling ponchos. = My suggestion is buy a 4 core and then you have a better chance of not being mad. But then again my 400 has a 4 core and it runs hot. Good luck! brad
(back) Subject: fan question??? From: <BHA676@aol.com> Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 14:10:51 EST Is there a big difference between a no name flew fan off the shelf of a autoparts store and some of the name brand ones out there? I have a flex = on mine after the original fan and clutch didnt work well. Should i upgrade mine to a name brand the more cfm the better! (any suggestions?where to = buy and price?)) or just go to electric?( what worked for anyone with similar problem cooling a 400 with 4 core? I neec help! brad 67 400 convert
(back) Subject: fan pulley diameter?\ From: <BHA676@aol.com> Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 14:11:43 EST whats the proper diameter? brad 67 400 convert
(back) Subject: master cylinder clicking noise From: <BHA676@aol.com> Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 14:13:51 EST Recently my master cylinder makes a clicking noise when the breaks are = pushed hard but breaking appears to be unaffected. Anyone experience this before = should i be worried??? I like stopping. thanks brad 67 400 convert
(back) Subject: alternator belt size what kind? cogged? From: <BHA676@aol.com> Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 14:16:44 EST my alternator belt is not long for the world and i was wondering what size = i need for an replacement? 1967 400 with Power steering. ASAP thanks again to all who have helped me in the past brad 67 400 convert
(back) Subject: Re: Part Identification: Backseat Side Panel (Lower) From: "Brian Sargent" <bjsbird1@yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 11:23:17 -0800 (PST) Bill, Classic Industries shows them as "Rear Inner Side Arm Rest Panels". My catolog at work is old, 98F, but the part number is #K506 (RH) #K507 (LH). In this cat. it is on page 52 Brian 69 conv. --- William Hewitt <WH@choate.com> wrote: > First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List > .......................................................................... > I have a 1968 convertible. I am trying to identify > a part and can't seem to find it listed in any of > the catalogs. Can anyone tell me what the proper > name is of the lower side panel in the backseat > area? Even better, does anyone know if this part > (for both the right and left sides) is in any of the > major catalogs (Ames, Year One, Classic Industries, > etc.)? > > Thanks for the help. > > Bill Hewitt > 68 350 HO Convertible > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/