First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List RE: Rear end options by "tim marcinek" <marcts@ga.prestige.net> Re: Rear end options by <geebjen@att.net> RE: Firebird-L Digest #1729 by "Brett Luikkonen" <brett@cisdirect.com> RE: Firebird-L Digest #1730 by "Brett Luikkonen" <brett@cisdirect.com> Rally Wheel Masking Tape Kits by "Jake" <taz@bmts.com> Firstgen owners spreadsheet by "Trimpe, Bob" <TrimpeB@rajones.com> Re: Assembly Books?? by "Jeff Davis" <Jeff_Davis19@excite.com> member's list by "Chris Porter" <fxstsb@pop.sttl.uswest.net> Rear-End by "John Wern" <jwern@gw.total-web.net> Coil Spring Paint by "Lee" <pyre400@yahoo.com> Re: what is the odds by <BHA676@aol.com> Re: Firstgen owners spreadsheet by <BHA676@aol.com> hey roy by "danny" <dannyboylll@qwest.net> FW: Jet-Hot headers [was: Sub frame connectors] by "Provost, Marty" <MProvost@LiquidGolf.com> Re: Coil Spring Paint by "John Wern" <jwern@gw.total-web.net> Starter hook up. by "John Wern" <jwern@gw.total-web.net> Re: Rally Wheel Masking Tape Kits by "Brian Sargent" <bjsbird1@yahoo.com> 67 firebird by "matt schmid" <schmidmj@hotmail.com> Re: Kieth are you out there! by "K and J Arnold" <paintit@gate.net> Re: Year One Discounts by "Doug" <dcharnley@mediaone.net> Re: Rally Wheel Masking Tape Kits by "Doug" <dcharnley@mediaone.net> Re: Rear end options by "Geoff Martin" <Geoff@firstgenfirebird.org> Re: Rear end options by "Geoff Martin" <Geoff@firstgenfirebird.org>
(back) Subject: RE: Rear end options From: "tim marcinek" <marcts@ga.prestige.net> Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 08:04:22 -0800 it is in the manual. Here is a link to the exact page for the firebird ratio chart. http://www.locl.net/homes/sapple/stddiff6.html tim
(back) Subject: Re: Rear end options From: <geebjen@att.net> Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 14:23:09 +0000 Mark, The info you are looking for can be found under "Power Teams" in the AMA specs at: firstgenfirebird.org/firebird/1968/ama/ama_index.html BTW, the 2.26 ratio listed under 350 2 bbl autos should be 2.56, must be a typo. Steve Lothridge --------------------------------------------------------- ------------- Subject: Rear end options From: "Mark Wurtzel" <mwurtzel@flash.net> Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 23:11:48 -0800 Is there a site some where that list what rear end options were available for what cars? I tried searching the FAQ's but could not find anything. It may be in my manual but I do not have it hand so was hoping maybe someone knew of a site with this information. Specifically, I am interested in what rear end options were offered for a 1968 convertible with a 350 2 bbl carb, non-ac. Any help would be most appreciated! thanks, Mark
(back) Subject: RE: Firebird-L Digest #1729 From: "Brett Luikkonen" <brett@cisdirect.com> Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 06:32:43 -0600 From: "Trimpe, Bob" <TrimpeB@rajones.com> I've got 5 guys on the firstgen members list that live in Washington. BTW Brett, I don't have YOUR name on the list. If you'd like me to add it, post your city/state, e-mail, webpage, and car info and I'll do so. Bob Trimpe ______________________________________________________________________ Thanks Bob, Chris, Joe, Brian... Good to know there are so many bird nuts up here! I had to sell my 67 & 68 when I moved from the Bay Area to finish college in 85, and I'm just now getting around to replacing them. Actually in the next two weeks. I am in the on line show, I have my old 68 in there and subscribed to the mailing list as 1stgenbirdman. http://FirstGenFirebird.org/show/closeup.mv?f_CarID=3D85 I'm making a deal on a 67 vert in Cali AND a 68 Hardtop on Whidbey Island but I may not be able to swing the Hard top, which was a San Diego car no rust 350/350, verdoro green deluxe interior. So it may go back on the market... I will try to join the WWF club as soon as I get my bird, then I'll be in touch with you guys for sure! I'm sure I'll bee looking for lots of misc. parts! Thanks for the reply guy's! - Brett in Federal Way!
(back) Subject: RE: Firebird-L Digest #1730 From: "Brett Luikkonen" <brett@cisdirect.com> Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 06:44:10 -0600 Subject: Re: Firebird-L Digest #1726 From: "Brian Sargent" <bjsbird1@yahoo.com> Brett, Welcome aboard! Although this is not the place to push the WWF Club, it's a great support group to those of us with 1st gen birds. Like on this board, we in the Pacific NW try to be there for our fellow Bird owners. I live in Kirkland, would love to see your Bird if you drive it to work. Brian 69 conv. Check us out at www.firebirdclub.com _______________________________________________________ Thanks Brian, I did check out the WWF about 6 months ago, but didn't actually join because of void in my Garage... No bird yet, so I didn't want to torture myself needlessly. Now that I'm oh so close to one after searching and doing my home work for about 9 months now, I'm going to check into the club. I have two birds lined up, a 67 & a 68. I don't think I can get them both, although when I sold mine, I sold a 67 & a 68 at the same time... so it would be poetic justice! But, maybe a little unrealistic... I did look up your car Brian and it was not the Gold one I have seen on the East side before... yours looks fantastic I may add! Thanks again guy's! - Brett!
(back) Subject: Rally Wheel Masking Tape Kits From: "Jake" <taz@bmts.com> Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 10:57:17 -0500 There was someone on this list who had die cut masking tape kits made up = for painting rally II wheels. I am going to do 3 sets of 14" wheels and would like to buy from someone on this list if they still have them. Thanks in advance. Reg
(back) Subject: Firstgen owners spreadsheet From: "Trimpe, Bob" <TrimpeB@rajones.com> Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 11:33:49 -0500 Brett, I got you in the spreadsheet. Let me clarify - In the interests of helping Geoff out, I am keeping a Microsoft Excel spreadsheet of the firstgen members who would like their info included in a spreadsheet. Its gets me quick members' listing containing name, city/state, e-mail address, web page address, the year = and a brief description of your car, and your car's web address in the on-line car show. I use this list when I want to go cruising through the Firebird = L members' web pages, or when I want to connect a member's name with a car. Its also good if you plan a trip to another state, and you can see who's = in the area. Geoff's members list on Firebird-L is for all those who participate in Firebird-L e-mailings. It's much larger (350+ members), and includes many members who choose not to have their info included in a spreadsheet or in the on-line car show. As my spreadsheet grows, I keep Geoff updated with a fresh list. Geoff can direct you to its location within his website, or I will gladly forward a copy to anyone who asks. PS to Geoff.. I'm moving right along in getting the rest on the on-line = car show addresses into the spreadsheet. I can hide any data like this that = you don't want to include in your website version. I'll be in touch. Regards, Bob Trimpe -----Original Message----- From: Brett Luikkonen [mailto:brett@cisdirect.com] Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 7:33 AM To: Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com Subject: RE: Firebird-L Digest #1729 First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List .......................................................................... From: "Trimpe, Bob" <TrimpeB@rajones.com> I've got 5 guys on the firstgen members list that live in Washington. BTW Brett, I don't have YOUR name on the list. If you'd like me to add it, post your city/state, e-mail, webpage, and car info and I'll do so.
(back) Subject: Re: Assembly Books?? From: "Jeff Davis" <Jeff_Davis19@excite.com> Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 09:04:40 -0800 (PST) The following site has a lot of links that might be helpful locating = books. They may not be what you're looking for but it's a possibility. http://www.classicperf.com/gregs/gregindex.htm On Tue, 23 Jan 2001 10:09:04 -0500, First Generation Firebird-L wrote: > First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List > ......................................................................... > John: > > Those "books" are called the Factory Assembly Manuals. There has been > threads on this in the past, and here is what I believe is the current > situation on these. Copies of the 1967 and 1968 Assembly manuals have been > "rumored" to be around, although many of us on the list have been = looking > for them for a couple of years and so far copies have not turned up. = 1969 > Assembly manuals are readily available in major catalogs like YO, Ames etc. > Maybe this is a good time to recheck the list, but I would not be optomistic > about finding one. The other major reference manual for assembling is the > shop manual. This is not nearly the detail that the Assembly manual = is, but > it helps a ton. The thing I did was purchase a Camaro (I = know.....taboo but > the only option) Assembly manual. It is not exact especially with interior, > trim, etc. but it gives you good info on suspension, major body panels and > so on. If anyone has dug up any of the 67 or 68 assembly manuals, > please..please let us know. Hope this helps. > > Keith > 68 H.O. > > > Subject: Assabley books???FB > From: <Studderin@aol.com> > Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 22:41:12 EST > > I was look for one of these assembly line workers ( sheets ) books If seen > them for other cars and can't find on for a 67 FB. They have all the info > the the assembly line works had on building they whole car every bolt, lube, > toque spec. > > Could someone recommend a similar manual. > My 67 is almost completely dissemble, and It's not that I'm afraid = that > I'll forget how to reassembly it, but it was missing a lot of bolts and had > a lot of nut&bolt hardware store stuff,, you know the drill..... = It's > not a 100% resto but I was look for a better book than the ( The sub- > frame is removed by 4 bolts....remove them). > > thanks John Costello _______________________________________________________ Send a cool gift with your E-Card http://www.bluemountain.com/giftcenter/
(back) Subject: member's list From: "Chris Porter" <fxstsb@pop.sttl.uswest.net> Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 10:05:03 -0800 Hey Bob, am I on that list ? Chris `68 350 H.O. Drop-top
(back) Subject: Rear-End From: "John Wern" <jwern@gw.total-web.net> Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 13:40:23 -0500 I have a great suspicion that my rearend is not the original. How can = I tell? I looked in the Service Manual and my axle tube on the left has = XB. that means it's a 2.56 wich does not have a/c and it's a 350 or the 6cil. Well my car is a 400 with A/C. Any ideas? I changed my th400 to a th350 and when I put in the drive shaft from the'77trans-am's th350-- it fit perfect into he rear-end housing. How = can I tell what rear-end I have or atleast tell the gear? I have "XB" on the drivers side axle Tube - I really need to kow. Any way to tell the gears? hmmm. JOhn.
(back) Subject: Coil Spring Paint From: "Lee" <pyre400@yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 10:26:35 -0800 (PST) Has anyone ever painted coil springs? I am in the process of restoring the front end, and since I am going to be cleaning and painting I thought I might as well paint the springs. I figured that not just any paint would do though, since there is movement on the spring surface, but who knows... Does anyone know of a good brand/type of paint to use on the springs? Something flexable maybe? I am using black POR on the controll arms, I am not sure I would like to springs the same color. I was thinking a natural color or something with some contrast to the black. If anyone has any suggestions I would be greatful to hear them Thanks much Lee 68 Coupe __________________________________________________ Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/
(back) Subject: Re: what is the odds From: <BHA676@aol.com> Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 14:09:30 EST When the last time you changed the brake fluid if its been a long time = black coffee colored fluid then the amount of water present will cause the steel = in the caliper to get pitted and the ruber will wear fast. THis happens when = a car sits a long time also. brad 67 400 convert
(back) Subject: Re: Firstgen owners spreadsheet From: <BHA676@aol.com> Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 14:11:00 EST Am i in this spreadsheet? Where can i get a copy? brad 67 400 convert
(back) Subject: hey roy From: "danny" <dannyboylll@qwest.net> Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 12:22:09 -0700 hey roy i re-read your reply to and i see what you meant, i guess i took it wrong. i apolagise for being so hostile. it just seemed like you were jumping down my throght and i didn't understand why. *(note to self "i wonder if this is how wars gert started")* :>) -danny
(back) Subject: FW: Jet-Hot headers [was: Sub frame connectors] From: "Provost, Marty" <MProvost@LiquidGolf.com> Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 14:56:00 -0500 Joe, what headers did you buy from them? -Marty -----Original Message----- From: Joe Brown [mailto:jb.pb@gte.net] Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 1:49 AM To: First Generation Firebird-L Subject: Re: Sub frame connectors First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List .......................................................................... John : I bought my headers from Jet Hot , they look great and keep under hood temp down at least 20 degrees , plus after they are hot you can touch them after ten minutes of cooling . I do not know if they have equal = length headers round port but worth a try . www.jethot.com Joe
(back) Subject: Re: Coil Spring Paint From: "John Wern" <jwern@gw.total-web.net> Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 15:50:02 -0500 Lee- i put Por 15 on mine. I'll let take a pic if you want and post it. = Let me know. It looks pretty good to me. John. -----Original Message----- From: Lee <pyre400@yahoo.com> To: Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com <Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com> Date: Thursday, February 01, 2001 3:05 PM Subject: Coil Spring Paint >First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List >......................................................................... >Has anyone ever painted coil springs? I am in the >process of restoring the front end, and since I am >going to be cleaning and painting I thought I might as >well paint the springs. I figured that not just any >paint would do though, since there is movement on the >spring surface, but who knows... > >Does anyone know of a good brand/type of paint to use >on the springs? Something flexable maybe? I am using >black POR on the controll arms, I am not sure I would >like to springs the same color. I was thinking a >natural color or something with some contrast to the >black. >If anyone has any suggestions I would be greatful to >hear them > >Thanks much > >Lee > >68 Coupe > >__________________________________________________ >Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 >a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > >
(back) Subject: Starter hook up. From: "John Wern" <jwern@gw.total-web.net> Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 15:52:31 -0500 I'm hooking up the wires to the starter adn by the diagram I cant tell (of the two wires that hook to it from the wire harness) which goes on which connector. Anyone know how to tell? Thanks John. -
(back) Subject: Re: Rally Wheel Masking Tape Kits From: "Brian Sargent" <bjsbird1@yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 13:23:27 -0800 (PST) Jake (Reg) They are available from Ames or Classic. I taped mine myself, using the blue painters 3M masking tape. A dozen wheels, have fun! Brian 69 conv. --- Jake <taz@bmts.com> wrote: > First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List > .......................................................................... > There was someone on this list who had die cut > masking tape kits made up for > painting rally II wheels. I am going to do 3 sets > of 14" wheels and would > like to buy from someone on this list if they still > have them. > > Thanks in advance. > > Reg > > > > __________________________________________________ Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/
(back) Subject: 67 firebird From: "matt schmid" <schmidmj@hotmail.com> Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 21:34:02 Hey everyone, I'm new to the list. I don't own a first gen. firebird yet, but the 67 firebird 400 coupe is the most beautiful all around car I have ever come across. I was wondering if anyone had any advice on the best way = to go about finding my first 67 firebird. I don't want one in perfect condition. I want one that is restorable. I'd appreciate any feedback. Matt _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
(back) Subject: Re: Kieth are you out there! From: "K and J Arnold" <paintit@gate.net> Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 16:34:49 -0500 Ron- It's Paintit@gate.net Drop me a line Keith
(back) Subject: Re: Year One Discounts From: "Doug" <dcharnley@mediaone.net> Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 16:48:59 -0500 I have used Ames, YO, Classic Ind., and PY. Some of my observations = from dealing with them. I try to deal with Ames as much as possible. They are about a 1 hr = drive from my place which makes it easy to eliminate shipping costs when ordering larger items. Prices are relatively stable, quality is great, people are friendly and helpful, and stuff is usually in-stock. YO's prices do increase alot. The latest catalog prices are never = true. Stuff is backordered often. I've found that their catalog can be confusing regarding similar items = listed in different areas of the catalog. However, they have tried to respond favorably to any issues = I have. Free replacement shipping, no cost replacements, etc. Can't beat their 20% off sales when = ordering many or higher price items. My worst experience with them is noted below. I ordered body and core support bushing kit from YO along with a new = core support. The core support bushing was too large for the hole in the core support, necessitating = either trimming the bushing or enlarging the core support hole. I first tried to trim the bushing. But so much = trimming was required that the metal core of the bushing was exposed when it got to the point of fitting. So I tried = to enlarge the core support hole with a grinding stone instead. That method worked better. In the YO catalog, the = core support bushings are sold separately also so I ordered one to replace the bushing I trimmed. Well, the bushing ordered = separately are different from the ones in the kit and would have fit fine without trimming anything. I called and complained. It was noted in the catalog that the core support bushings in the kit = would require trimming. I knew that. What I didn't know is the the trimming would take off so much rubber that the metal was = exposed, nor did I know that the ones sold individually fit fine. Apparently the people I spoke to in YO were not aware of = that last fact either. All they did was send me a new bushing kit at no charge so I could get = the one core support bushing I needed out of the kit. to replace the one I trimmed in order to have a matching set. No need = to return anything. Classic has cheap quality stuff, period! The only thing I like is = their color catalog. I haven't ordered a lot from PY, but what I did was fine. They have = some stuff the others don't. DR Automotive is a Camaro parts catalog but they have some basic = things that can be used in the birds like the right hardware for certain areas that the others don't = carry. Doug 67 400 coupe. Ken Reimer wrote: > First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List > = ......................................................................... > Joe et al, > Don't forget about Performance Years; I just did a price = comparison > on hard parts, brakes, steering, etc. On average, Performance Years was > always less expensive than Classic Industries and Year One. I've ordered > from both Year One and Classic, neither one of them overwhelmed me with > the quality of their products. I've always heard good things about AMES > but as of yet I haven't bought anything from them. Just my .02, BTW. > > Regards, > Ken > > At 04:24 PM 1/29/2001 -0500, you wrote: > >First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List > = >......................................................................... > >Joe- If you use Classic Industries or AMES you'll save a heck of alot = more > >than Year One. Even with the discount. Also - Ames and Classic stock = most > >of your stuff for Firebirds. Year One doesnt. You know the new = catalog > >that came out?Well all of the prices have increased in that one. = Everything > >too. Call and find out. > >It'll blow you away. I live in Atlanta and work 3 miles from Year = ONe and > >I wont do business with them because of the stock and price issues. = Even > >if I pay shipping from AMES I get it in 2-3 days and It comes out cheaper > >than if I wait 2-3 weeks for a paint kit, center caps, shifter = bracket, > >transmission bracket, front end bolt kit - and go pick it up over at = Year > >One. > >Just my two cents worth. I'm not bitchin just shaking my head in > >bewilderment. > >John. > >-----Original Message----- > >From: JGeigel@aol.com <JGeigel@aol.com> > >To: Firebird L Digest <Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com>; = wwf-l@egroups.com > ><wwf-l@egroups.com> > >Date: Monday, January 29, 2001 2:54 PM > >Subject: Year One Discounts > > > > > >>
(back) Subject: Re: Rally Wheel Masking Tape Kits From: "Doug" <dcharnley@mediaone.net> Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 16:55:24 -0500 Most of the parts houses sell the kits. Check out the latest Eastman catalog. They sell Rallye II paints and masking kits. They alos say that the backs of the rally II wheels originally were = sprayed black semi gloss. When the fronts were painted, the overspray went onto the semi-gloss = and remained there. Doug Jake wrote: > First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List > = ......................................................................... > There was someone on this list who had die cut masking tape kits made up = for > painting rally II wheels. I am going to do 3 sets of 14" wheels and = would > like to buy from someone on this list if they still have them. > > Thanks in advance. > > Reg > > -
(back) Subject: Re: Rear end options From: "Geoff Martin" <Geoff@firstgenfirebird.org> Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 17:46:53 -0500 Power Train Charts from the Pontiac Sales Manual: http://FirstGenFirebird.org/firebird/1968/sales_manual/O-chart1.html Geoff '68 Mayfair Maize Firebird 350 Convertible <http://FirstGenFirebird.org/show/closeup.mv?CarID=3D46> <Geoff@FirstGenFirebird.org> >Specifically, I am interested in what rear end options were offered for a >1968 convertible with a 350 2 bbl carb, non-ac.
(back) Subject: Re: Rear end options From: "Geoff Martin" <Geoff@firstgenfirebird.org> Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 17:49:35 -0500 Forgot about the AMA specs. Thanks Steve. Geoff ps - Working on the '67 AMA specs but they are going to be in PDF format instead of the tedious HTML programming. Steve will vouch for how long it takes to convert these since he programmed the '69 addition. geebjen@att.net >Power Teams" in the AMA specs at: > >firstgenfirebird.org/firebird/1968/ama/ama_index.html