First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List RE: An observation about us 1st genners by "Keith Donmoyer" <kadonny@hotmail.com> Re: question by "John Wern" <jwern@gw.total-web.net> Bad week-end... by "Brett Luikkonen" <brett@cisdirect.com> RE: 68 conv driver's door by "Bryan & Mone' Young" <bryandmo@home.com> Re: question by "matt schmid" <schmidmj@hotmail.com> Re: An observation about us 1st genners by "Jamie Hutchinson" <jhutchi2@maine.rr.com> PLEASE READ-- A warning for everyone by <kmorrow@socket.net> Re: An observation about us 1st genners by "Jeff Lane" <JeffLane32@hotmail.com> Re: An observation about us 1st genners by <BHA676@aol.com> Re: PLEASE READ-- A warning for everyone by "Stu Langer" <stumann@inlink.com> Rochester puking.... by "John Wern" <jwern@gw.total-web.net> Re: An observation about us 1st genners by "Lee" <pyre400@yahoo.com> Re: An observation about us 1st genners by "Lee" <pyre400@yahoo.com> RE: Rochester puking.... by "Slobird" <marcts@ga.prestige.net> Re: An observation about us 1st genners by "x1r1 x" <x1r1@hotmail.com> Re: Rochester puking.... by "x1r1 x" <x1r1@hotmail.com>
(back) Subject: RE: An observation about us 1st genners From: "Keith Donmoyer" <kadonny@hotmail.com> Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 07:53:03 -0500 Danny, I am in my late 30's (fast approaching 40...uugh!) You do make a excellent = point about parts, availability, money etc with the 3rd gen cars. I also think some of us age 40 guys sort of lust after the cars we drove when we were in high school....thus the 60's cars. Your other point about us 40's = guys being financially stable, having garages and lots of "free weekends", = just wait until you have kids and you are in your late 30's early 40's and = this is what you will find; 1. Free weekends.....just a dream, maybe I will have them when they cart me off to the old age home. 2. Financially stable......have you seen the cost of college education lately? 3. Garage.....ok, you got me there, I got a nice three car with my "designated" Bird area, workshop, compressor etc. nice place to go when = you need some time to yourself. Actually, as I said before, your point is very good, I am just making a little fun out of it, sorry us old guys have to keep ourselves amused. HaHa. Keith 68 H.O. ---- Subject: RE: An observation about us 1st genners From: "danny" <dannyboylll@qwest.net> Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 14:29:21 -0700 i am 22 and i am a diehard first gen fan. i think a lot of the reason younger people go for the 3rd gen cars is that it costs a lot less to make = a good daily driver out of a 10 year old car than it does to make a car that is just as good that is 30 years old and has 250,000 miles on it. there = are a lot more cars available in the yards for parts, and the extensive time consuming, MONEY CONSUMING, rebuilds of the newer cars are not usually necessary. i ahve been working on my car since i was 17. (5 years) and 11,000$ later I have yet to drive it. the only reason i can do this is because i keep it on my dads polebarn, and i have a 90 nissan truck that i drive regulary. Most people my age don't make 2000 a month to afford 2 cars, and they don't have parents that are as helpful as mine. now on the other hand most people in their 40's are fairly financially sound, they = have a house with a garage and a good steady job, with lots of free weekends, which would make a first gen much more in their grasp my $.02 -danny albuquerque nm _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
(back) Subject: Re: question From: "John Wern" <jwern@gw.total-web.net> Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 09:03:55 -0500 Matt - Did you buy the bird? John. -----Original Message----- From: matt schmid <schmidmj@hotmail.com> To: Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com <Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com> Date: Tuesday, February 13, 2001 5:01 PM Subject: question >First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List >......................................................................... >I'm getting close to finding the bird that I want. I've found a 67 326 conv. >here in South Carolina that I'm looking into. My question is, because = I've >never owned anything but a little piece of s@!t 4 cylinder, what is the >going rate for insurance on something like a 326? This would be for a 21 yr. >old male with a good driving record. If there is anyone who happens to = deal >much with insurance, or anyone that just happens to know I wouldn't mind = a >guesstimate. Thanks! > >Matt Schmid
(back) Subject: Bad week-end... From: "Brett Luikkonen" <brett@cisdirect.com> Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 06:47:40 -0600 68 conv driver's door From: "Bryan & Mone' Young" <bryandmo@home.com> Had a bad weekend. my driver's door was struck and is dented very badly. I am in need of a replacement door as I don't think this one will ever look the same. Anyone parting a 68 conv that has a driver's door? If so let me know a price and if close enough to southern california, I'll drive to you and pick it up. Just thought I would try the list first before I try a catalog and pay outragous prices. Thanks. Bryan 68 red conv Brian, check this guy out. He's in OR, but the parts are at his dad's in Palm Springs! He might have what you need? He had Vertible parts... Brett _______________________________________________________________________ Hemmings 67-69 pontiac firebird MIXED, 1968 pontiac firebird parts, 400 engine(low miles), rear ends, hood, front valance, rear bumper, grilles, conv. top frame, int. panels, wiring loom, inner fenders, heavy duty sway bars, = chrome trim & emblems, radiator & support, steering box, taillights, black seats (extra covers), Hurst linkage, rear & quarter glass, 1 door window with bird, frame, 4-spd. trans., etc. Buy all or part, in Palm Springs, CA, = negotiable. Contact: 541-318-8603 -OR He lives in Oregon but the parts are with his dad in Palm Springs. Good luck.
(back) Subject: RE: 68 conv driver's door From: "Bryan & Mone' Young" <bryandmo@home.com> Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 06:56:05 -0800 Bob thanks for the information. What is a convertible door adjuster wedge and where would I find it on the door I have now? Is it something that I = can reuse on the replacement door or do I have to get a new one? Bryan -----Original Message----- From: Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com [mailto:Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com]On Behalf Of Bob Cisneros Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2001 4:35 PM To: Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com Subject: RE: 68 conv driver's door First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List .......................................................................... Bryan Young writes: >Funny Bob I thought the same (Franks) and he has one and I am picking it = up >this weekend if we can work out the time. Thanks for the info. Is the = conv >and coupe door the same for the same year? My parts book shows that for 1968, the only differences it recognizes are right, left, round mirror, or rectangular mirror. As far as I know, you may have to drill some holes for the convertible door adjuster wedge that the coupes don't have. -BoB San Jose, CA 1968 Convertible bob.cisneros@Ebay.Sun.COM
(back) Subject: Re: question From: "matt schmid" <schmidmj@hotmail.com> Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 16:27:40 >From: "John Wern" <jwern@gw.total-web.net> >Reply-To: "First Generation Firebird-L" = <Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com> >To: "First Generation Firebird-L" <Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com> >Subject: Re: question >Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 09:03:55 -0500 > >First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List >......................................................................... >Matt - Did you buy the bird? John. Not yet John, the guy has to take some pictures of it and send them to me, = and if I'm still interested I'm going to take a road trip to check it out. = However badly I want a bird I'm not going to run out and buy the first opportunity that comes along, I'm going to make sure it's in good enough condition for the price and what I want. I'll be sure and keep you = updated. When I get the pictures maybe I'll scan them in and send some out. Thanks for the interest. Matt _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
(back) Subject: Re: An observation about us 1st genners From: "Jamie Hutchinson" <jhutchi2@maine.rr.com> Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 11:54:28 -0500 Hey Ron, You can tell the boys next door that it already has a "big block" in it.....All Pontiac blocks are "big". Unlike Chevrolet, Pontiac blocks are basically all the same. There is no distinction between "big" and "small". As many Pontiac fans already know, it's not all that easy for the newbe to distinguish between a 326 and a = 455 at first glance if you are just looking at the block.....then there's the 301...... Jamie >all the employees next to my shop (25 and down) what you gonna do throw a >big block in it!...I say no and they look at me cross-eyed like I'm = crazy, >
(back) Subject: PLEASE READ-- A warning for everyone From: <kmorrow@socket.net> Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 17:16:31 GMT I got a phone call at work todat from the St. Loius police department. It = seems they have been doing an investigation on credit card number theft via the internet. He told me that my Visa card number had turned up on a list circulating the net. I called the credit card company immediately and sure = enough in the last 5 days someone went on a spree, they had made cash = advances, internet gambling and other charges to my card . The lady from visa asked = if my card was in my possession and it is, apparently they had made a card with = my info because some of the charges were actual card swipes. The good news is = that with Visa they have zero liability on internet purchases so she cancelled = the card and reissued a new one and I won't be held accountable. During all of = this i found out that with all credit cards there is a maximum liability of $50 = if you report it, HOWEVER if you have a debit card or bank card with a credit = card symbol (visa/mastercard) DO NOT use it on the net, I repeat DO NOT use a = bank or debit card on the net. Even though it has a mastercard or visa symbol = on it you have no protection or recourse if someone gets the number, they can go = till the bank account it is linked to is wiped out. I got lucky, mine was an = actual Visa, don't let it happen to you. I had used the card for ebay, paypal and = other online parts ordering and apparently they hacked into a computer somewhere and got my info. Be careful on the net, there are smart = criminals who would rather make a quick buck than work a real job. The bad part about it = is that they will get away with the money or merchandise and the unsuspecting = merchants that took the fake card get charged back. Kane
(back) Subject: Re: An observation about us 1st genners From: "Jeff Lane" <JeffLane32@hotmail.com> Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 14:04:10 -0500 I can't wait till I have grand children and take them out back to my dusty old barn, pop in an ancient CD in my antique CD player and play Reb Barachetta from Rush as we take the cover off my old red Firebird and go screaming through the valley with gleaming alloy air cars in chase! = Getting chills up my spine just thinking about it.... ----- Original Message ----- From: "x1r1 x" <x1r1@hotmail.com> To: <Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2001 9:48 PM Subject: Re: An observation about us 1st genners > First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List > = ......................................................................... > > I turned 28 on the 10th, and by the time I am 60, perhaps my Firebird = will > match the original plan for Firebirds. > Perhaps a 25,000RPM gas turbine powering a pair of 350 horse electric > motors, Who knows. Anythig the manufacturers can put in a car will be > transferable to a better car. I think the popularity of the thirdgen = car is > primarily due to the plentiful supply. > Rowan > > >From: "R & P" <Ronsoy@bellsouth.net> > >I'm 28 (and will be forever!) and I love my 68 Firebird...you know I = hear > >all the employees next to my shop (25 and down) what you gonna do throw = a > >big block in it!...I say no and they look at me cross-eyed like I'm crazy, > >but I also own a 88 mustang convertible..And it takes no time ( or real > >money) to put that car into the high 11's....I think if I was = younger(!)I > >would butcher my car but for now(and ever) I will stay pure with my > >Pontiac...Just wait until the hybrid cars come along...What will happen to > >our precious toys will they be parade use only? > > > >RonMan > > _________________________________________________________________
(back) Subject: Re: An observation about us 1st genners From: <BHA676@aol.com> Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 14:27:42 EST Probably they will fall out of favor eventually. But there are a couple = of us gen xers who like 1st gen. I'm almost 25 and I have a 67 400 convert. = People love my car but alot never even consider them because they think = they are out of reach. Oh well at least in 30 years ill have plenty of cheap firebirds. brad 67 400 convert
(back) Subject: Re: PLEASE READ-- A warning for everyone From: "Stu Langer" <stumann@inlink.com> Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 13:40:31 -0600 Unfortunately, this happens way too often. I use only one card for all internet or mail order purchases, and I have the card number changed every six months or so. By all means, NEVER give out you Social Security number on the internet. There never is a reason for anyone to need it to make a purchase! Stumann >......................................................................... >I got a phone call at work todat from the St. Loius police department. It seems >they have been doing an investigation on credit card number theft via the >internet. He told me that my Visa card number had turned up on a list >circulating the net. I called the credit card company immediately and = sure >enough in the last 5 days someone went on a spree, they had made cash advances, >internet gambling and other charges to my card . The lady from visa asked if my >card was in my possession and it is, apparently they had made a card with my >info because some of the charges were actual card swipes. The good news = is that >with Visa they have zero liability on internet purchases so she cancelled the >card and reissued a new one and I won't be held accountable. During all = of this >i found out that with all credit cards there is a maximum liability of = $50 if >you report it, HOWEVER if you have a debit card or bank card with a = credit card >symbol (visa/mastercard) DO NOT use it on the net, I repeat DO NOT use a bank >or debit card on the net. Even though it has a mastercard or visa symbol = on it >you have no protection or recourse if someone gets the number, they can = go till >the bank account it is linked to is wiped out. I got lucky, mine was an actual >Visa, don't let it happen to you. I had used the card for ebay, paypal = and >other online parts ordering and apparently they hacked into a computer >somewhere and got my info. Be careful on the net, there are smart = criminals who >would rather make a quick buck than work a real job. The bad part about = it is >that they will get away with the money or merchandise and the = unsuspecting >merchants that took the fake card get charged back. > > >Kane > >
(back) Subject: Rochester puking.... From: "John Wern" <jwern@gw.total-web.net> Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 15:03:45 -0500 Anybody got a clue as to why my carb just started shooting out gas? I was cruizing along, Kinda gave it some gas in the passing lane and she kinda coughed her self out. I smelled gas real bad. I opened the hood and = there is gas all over the carb and down the sides. I take off the air cleaner element and it's all over the place. I let it sit a while and it starts = up pretty quick but - same thing Gas just coming out all over the place. Any Rochester guy out there? John.
(back) Subject: Re: An observation about us 1st genners From: "Lee" <pyre400@yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 13:54:20 -0800 (PST) I don't think the First Geners have any thing to worry about. What about the Plymouth Prowler, PT Cruiser..? What about the new T-bird? How about Harley-Davidson, and the number of clones out there selling for 18,000+. All of these come from "Classic Design" from the 50's and 60's, and all are well excepted by many age demographics. There is a respect, and a market out there for classic styling in general. (Furniture is another example, but the designs today are influenced by those from 200 years ago.) The first car I ever worked on was a 2nd Gen Z28 (1979) That was a fun beast, with an easy-cheep 350 sb. My buddy picked it up in good condition for $2500, and we spent a whole summer in the garage rebuilding the engine. We were 14 years old, and the richer "90210" crowd had their new cars from Ma and Pop, but my buddie's was faster! I think that First Gens would be cheaper, but they are in demand with a limited part supply. Actually, I think companies like YEAR ONE do their part in keeping prices as high as possible, but I think I already talked about that a few weeks ago. I could see that people with established lives are able to afford classic cars. There is a sentimental factor there too, but it was not in a Firebird where I became a man, yet I still own one :) I might have been conceived in one though :) The F-body is supposed to be going away here, I can imagine its return being reflective of the first time around in 1967, or even as a 4WD Sport Ute if it even returns at all. Even if our cars turn into museum pieces, who cares, we will still have an appreciation for them. That is why we are on this list... Right?... And thats all I have to say about that <---Forest Gump :) Lee 68 Coupe __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/
(back) Subject: Re: An observation about us 1st genners From: "Lee" <pyre400@yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 13:56:08 -0800 (PST) I don't think the First Geners have any thing to worry about. What about the Plymouth Prowler, PT Cruiser..? What about the new T-bird? How about Harley-Davidson, and the number of clones out there selling for 18,000+. All of these come from "Classic Design" from the 50's and 60's, and all are well excepted by many age demographics. There is a respect, and a market out there for classic styling in general. (Furniture is another example, but the designs today are influenced by those from 200 years ago.) The first car I ever worked on was a 2nd Gen Z28 (1979) That was a fun beast, with an easy-cheep 350 sb. My buddy picked it up in good condition for $2500, and we spent a whole summer in the garage rebuilding the engine. We were 14 years old, and the richer "90210" crowd had their new cars from Ma and Pop, but my buddie's was faster! I think that First Gens would be cheaper, but they are in demand with a limited part supply. Actually, I think companies like YEAR ONE do their part in keeping prices as high as possible, but I think I already talked about that a few weeks ago. I could see that people with established lives are able to afford classic cars. There is a sentimental factor there too, but it was not in a Firebird where I became a man, yet I still own one :) I might have been conceived in one though :) The F-body is supposed to be going away here, I can imagine its return being reflective of the first time around in 1967, or even as a 4WD Sport Ute if it even returns at all. Even if our cars turn into museum pieces, who cares, we will still have an appreciation for them. That is why we are on this list... Right?... And thats all I have to say about that <---Forest Gump :) Lee 68 Coupe __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/
(back) Subject: RE: Rochester puking.... From: "Slobird" <marcts@ga.prestige.net> Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 17:35:37 -0500 check your float level. Tim
(back) Subject: Re: An observation about us 1st genners From: "x1r1 x" <x1r1@hotmail.com> Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 15:06:25 -0800 ROTFLMAO (roling on the floor laughing my ass off) Rowan I predict when there are less tahn a thousand left, they will be quite valuble... >From: "Jeff Lane" <JeffLane32@hotmail.com> >I can't wait till I have grand children and take them out back to my = dusty >old barn, pop in an ancient CD in my antique CD player and play Reb >Barachetta from Rush as we take the cover off my old red Firebird and go >screaming through the valley with gleaming alloy air cars in chase! = Getting >chills up my spine just thinking about it.... > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "x1r1 x" <x1r1@hotmail.com> >......................................................................... > > > > I turned 28 on the 10th, and by the time I am 60, perhaps my Firebird >will > > match the original plan for Firebirds. > > Perhaps a 25,000RPM gas turbine powering a pair of 350 horse electric > > motors, Who knows. Anythig the manufacturers can put in a car will = be > > transferable to a better car. I think the popularity of the thirdgen >car >is > > primarily due to the plentiful supply. > > Rowan > > > > >From: "R & P" <Ronsoy@bellsouth.net> > > >I'm 28 (and will be forever!) and I love my 68 Firebird...you know I >hear > > >all the employees next to my shop (25 and down) what you gonna do = throw >a > > >big block in it!...I say no and they look at me cross-eyed like I'm >crazy, > > >but I also own a 88 mustang convertible..And it takes no time ( or = real > > >money) to put that car into the high 11's....I think if I was >younger(!)I > > >would butcher my car but for now(and ever) I will stay pure with my > > >Pontiac...Just wait until the hybrid cars come along...What will = happen >to > > >our precious toys will they be parade use only? > > > > > >RonMan > > > > _________________________________________________________________ _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
(back) Subject: Re: Rochester puking.... From: "x1r1 x" <x1r1@hotmail.com> Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 15:20:02 -0800 Jhon, That is the worst thing about Q-Jets....Ive had a few do that. Usualy = a float has sunk or gotten hung up. Might be a good time for a rebuild, but = you might be able to tap the top with a hammer to free it up. That = failing, take off the top, claen, adjust, replace floats as required. Brass ones = are allegedly better. It is kind of tricky getting the top back on (and u usualy need a new top gasket), but It goes on without force when you have = it just right. It is critical that you do not assemble it with the metering rods switched side to side, or your car will run terrible. JC whitneys = $12 rebuild kit is realy pretty good quality...dealer wanted $56 for worse = last time that happened to me. 'Luck....and keep the fire extinguisher handy Rowan*68 >From: "John Wern" <jwern@gw.total-web.net> >Anybody got a clue as to why my carb just started shooting out gas? I was >cruizing along, Kinda gave it some gas in the passing lane and she kinda >coughed her self out. I smelled gas real bad. I opened the hood and >there >is gas all over the carb and down the sides. I take off the air cleaner >element and it's all over the place. I let it sit a while and it starts = up >pretty quick but - same thing Gas just coming out all over the place. = Any >Rochester guy out there? John. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com