First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List Overflow bottle by "Kevin" <kyoung@sagelink.net> e-bay by "lws" <lws@nextek.net> Re: How do I remove by "John Wern" <jwern@gw.total-web.net> Re:Traction Bars by "lws" <lws@nextek.net> Re: Pricing a Convertible by <jrotman@rms.moore.com> Johnny Lightning 67 Birds by "Brett Luikkonen" <brett@cisdirect.com> Johnny Lightning "Muscle Car" series... by "Brett Luikkonen" <brett@cisdirect.com> Rush... a Blast from the past! by "Brett Luikkonen" <brett@cisdirect.com> Re: Traction bar usageon 67's by <kmorrow@socket.net> Traction bars by "Brett Luikkonen" <brett@cisdirect.com> Re: An observation about us 1st genners by "Jeff Lane" <JeffLane32@hotmail.com> Re: e-bay shenanigans by <JGeigel@aol.com> Re: One Piece Fuel Lines by "Lee" <pyre400@yahoo.com> RE: E-bay by "Chris Porter" <fxstsb@pop.sttl.uswest.net> Re:Ebay bidding- sniping by <kmorrow@socket.net> Re: Rochester puking.... by "John Wern" <jwern@gw.total-web.net> Re: Ebay bidding- more useful info by <kmorrow@socket.net> Re: Traction bars on 400's by <kmorrow@socket.net> RE: Ebay bidding- sniping by "Trimpe, Bob" <TrimpeB@rajones.com> Re: Johnny Lightning 67 Birds by "Brian Sargent" <bjsbird1@yahoo.com>
(back) Subject: Overflow bottle From: "Kevin" <kyoung@sagelink.net> Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 07:32:12 -0600 On Overflow bottles, I bought a kit from Auto-Zone and mounted the bottle = in front of the radiator support near the battery, because of the air damn it cannot be seen from the top or the engine compartment and works good. I imagine it will be a pain to unscrew the bolts for the radiator cover (air Damn) if I ever need to put water in it tho. just my way of doing it. BTW I am in LA working for a couple weeks and I rented a 2001 Bright RED Firebird convertible....... and for those of you who have never driven a = NEW Bird, well.... it is a must, I must admit tho I have a lot more heads turning when I cruise by in my 68. Kevin
(back) Subject: e-bay From: "lws" <lws@nextek.net> Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 08:46:25 -0500 I've heard there's a machine some people buy that will automatically bid = for you up to your max price much faster than u can manually,I've been burned myself.They just activate it with a minute to go and guys like me and you get burned.I've found very few really good deals on there lately,seem to = get better deals from other members on our list,the ones who appreciate our = cars and try to help others who know that feeling.Larry ----------------------------------------------------- Click here for Free Video!! http://www.gohip.com/free_video/
(back) Subject: Re: How do I remove From: "John Wern" <jwern@gw.total-web.net> Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 09:19:36 -0500 Rowan - The studs are removeable. You can take them out and put them back in. They kinda fit in a "slot" If that makes any sense. John. -----Original Message----- From: x1r1 x <x1r1@hotmail.com> To: Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com <Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com> Date: Thursday, February 15, 2001 11:18 PM Subject: Re: How do I remove >First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List >......................................................................... > >Just what I was looking for on the trim, thanks. >With the Taillight mount, I need the framework that holds the 4 studs, as = >one of the studs has broken off of my car, causing a leak around the >taillight. >Rowan > >>From: Gary Patrick <Gary@tcworks.net> >> >>Subject: How do i remove... >>I'd like some tips on removing these... >>Raingutter chromes >>the taillight mounting frame >>hope to hurt them as little as possible. >>Thanks >>Rowan >>_____________________ >> >> >> >>Rowan,try this for removing stainless rain gutter trim. >>Find a old fashion bottle (beer can) opener. >>the cheapy kind like they used to give with a >>case of beer. >>Wrap the bottle cap end with a few layers >>of masking tape, covering the hooked part and the >>rest of it to prevent dents and scratches in stainless. >>Start at front end and slowly work the opener upward >> and towards the rear ,only doing about an inch at a time. >>dont leave it hanging by itself when you get about half way or it will >>bend. >>Its good to have an extra set of hands when removing or installing this >>trim. >>This is one item thats much easier to install than remove. >> >>As for the tailights theres 4 nuts to remove and its free. >>Gasket can sometimes make it stick to inner body. >>Gary
(back) Subject: Re:Traction Bars From: "lws" <lws@nextek.net> Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 09:06:51 -0500 Some of my literature says the 6 cyl. with auto didn't get a bar,6 cyl. = with standard and 326 2 barrel got 1 bar,326 H.O. and all 400s got 2 = bars..Larry ----------------------------------------------------- Click here for Free Video!! http://www.gohip.com/free_video/
(back) Subject: Re: Pricing a Convertible From: <jrotman@rms.moore.com> Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 08:08:50 -0600 Andy, it depends if it's a sprint or the base 6. Most any 1st Gen Bird will bring a good price nowadays.. Pricing is also affected by what = region of the country you live in. I hav a 68 350 Convert. it has 100K and they typical rust you would find on a 32 year old northern car. It was appraised a few years ago at $5,500. It has some rare oprions on it, most noteable are the power windows. It has a repalcement 350 block though.. I have had offers, rust holes, chips dings cracked winshield and all, of $7,500 and I wouldn't sell it. I'll never sell the car anyway. Hope this helps a bit. BTW, let us know if it's a Sprint, !!! Joe Rotman 68 350 Convt. Vedoro Green
(back) Subject: Johnny Lightning 67 Birds From: "Brett Luikkonen" <brett@cisdirect.com> Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 06:41:51 -0600 Ok Steve Manktelow, up in the Great White North and Hugo by the Bay... I found your Johnny Lightning cars, but just the white one = so far. I actually have one each for you and one extra. So if you guy's want it = I'll offer it to you first, or if anyone else on the list just has to have one but can't find one. I'll be glad to sell this one for the actual retail of $2.99 to you. I just want to pass them around to First Gen enthusiasts! I'll still be looking for more and will notify the list if I find some = more. I'll buy all I can find... The first two Gold one will go to Hugo and = Steve. Happy Bird hunting! - Brett (1stgenbirdman)
(back) Subject: Johnny Lightning "Muscle Car" series... From: "Brett Luikkonen" <brett@cisdirect.com> Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 06:45:37 -0600 Just a side note... the Johnny lightning "Muscle Car" series also has a = nice 64 GTO if anyone wants one... I can get 5 or 6 right now if you can't find them? just let me know! - Brett
(back) Subject: Rush... a Blast from the past! From: "Brett Luikkonen" <brett@cisdirect.com> Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 06:56:59 -0600 "Jeff Lane" <JeffLane32@hotmail.com> I can't wait till I have grand children and take them out back to my dusty old barn, pop in an ancient CD in my antique CD player and play Red Barachetta from Rush as we take the cover off my old red Firebird and go screaming through the valley with gleaming alloy air cars in chase! = Getting chills up my spine just thinking about it.... You just brought back some of my best memories! In High School I had my 68 bird with a 421 that was unbeatable at any light! We had what we still = refer to as "Firebird Music" Rush is a big part of that list, Rush, Y&T, AC/DC, Foreigner, Jefferson Starship etc... But defiantly Red Barachetta! Thanks for the warm fuzzy feeling inside Jeff! Brett - In Seattle - 67 Drop Top!
(back) Subject: Re: Traction bar usageon 67's From: <kmorrow@socket.net> Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 14:57:55 GMT All 67 axles have the brackets for both bars welded on the housing whether = they used both or not. It was determined by engine and tranny combo. I think it = was just the manuals that got both bars. Have a 67 400 coupe with turbo 400 = and performance axle ratio, only got the pass. side. Have a 67 conv., 326 2bbl = 2speed auto only the pass side. The axle bracket with the stop bumper and = the bar itself is different from camaro (bar on birds is shaped like an I-beam = camaro was either round or square). The front passenger side bracket that = bolts to floor pan is the same as camaro and can be found repo in camaro = catalogs (camaro never used a driver side bar so you won't find a front driver's = side bar for or on one). Kane kmorrow@socket.net
(back) Subject: Traction bars From: "Brett Luikkonen" <brett@cisdirect.com> Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 07:51:52 -0600 Hugo & Rowan are close, But I had a 67 Sprint 6. They had both L&R side traction bars as did the HO 326 cars and yes the 400's did too. The... Commonarrow's only had the mono leaf in the rear for most of their first gen lives (excluding the larger HP Z-28/RS & SS) when in 68 Pontiac went to multi-leaf sprigs and no longer needed the factory traction bars. Again reaffirming Pontiac's superiority in the performance arena! Go Poncho! Brett in Seattle! 67 Drop Top _________________________________________________________________________ I believe that the single bar came on all 67's except the 400's. Please correct me if I'm wrong. Hugo ___________________________________________________________________________= I was just studying upon those things, There should (on a 400 car) be a = pair of heavy plates under the back seat, each with two heavy bolts hanging = down. OHC6 cars only had the passenger side, and I have that (passenger) plate = if you need it. I gather the bars are tough to come by. rowan
(back) Subject: Re: An observation about us 1st genners From: "Jeff Lane" <JeffLane32@hotmail.com> Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 10:55:19 -0500 Glad to hear it mate. I guess you could say you have one of the "last of = the V-8's" Are there really a lot of AMC's in OZ like in Mad Max? Night Rider. Remember him when you look up at the night sky... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dale J. Barkla" <systech@tig.com.au> To: <Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com> Sent: Friday, February 16, 2001 12:40 AM Subject: Re: An observation about us 1st genners > First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List > = ......................................................................... > I'm 37 (old!?) and have only been to the U.S. twice in my life. 1993 & > last September. On my travels in '93 (which was driving thru 26 states > over a 7 week period in...dare I say it....shudder...an Oldsmobile = Firenza > Station wagon...errrgh). During that trip I never had the luck to see = a > single 1st gen bird. Nor in Oz did we ever manufacture Birds or their poor > cousins the Cramo. Maybe a few birds were personally imported but I > certainly never saw one here when I was a kid. I've always had a thing for > Cars generally and when I was in my teens I used to ...erh... I must = admit > it...admire the 1st gen Cramo (remebering that 327 here is a fair bit of > grunt). I was always (and still am) obsessed with '55 & '57 Chebs and > loved the Hemi stuff. But, one faithful day I saw a picture of a '68 = Bird > convertible and...well...maybe it's just the fact that I'm on this list and > am VERY proud to own one, but.....I really believe they have a CLASSIC & > UNIQUE look. Not plain like their cousin and very different from the > Fjord pony equivalent. There must be something to be said for the = madness > of the Poncho guys stuffing so much horseposwer in the F-body back then = in > 67,8 & 9. Bless 'em. So, I never was your steriotypical American boy = nor > did I grow up around these fine cars, nor was I a teenager when they = first > hit the street (only 5), nor have I in fact EVER HAD A RIDE IN ONE ! = So, I > put it down to the classic looks ie. 400 hood, chrome trim on the Qtrs, > that "beak" out the front, the slits for tail lights and most especially > the twin scoops and FACTORY Hood tach!....it says it all. I should = also > mention that here in Oz we never really got a "pony" sized car that had so > many cubic inches stuffed into it and could almost say "What's a > convertible?" ......and when I say cubes I mean a car this size in Oz would > normally not be bigger than a 302/308....And my nephews (14 & 10) and > daughter (5) drool over this baby..even when it's jujst a shell. ..... = All > hail the 1st gen bird !!! 8-<:~)... (now I'll cease my mad ravings and > rock back and forward gently with trust drill & wire wheel).........cheers, > Dale '68 Conv. > > >
(back) Subject: Re: e-bay shenanigans From: <JGeigel@aol.com> Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 11:18:55 EST Bob, I don't know why you are angry. This is an auction. As you already know, = it's not real bright to bid early, so most everyone is going to bid at the = end. I buy lots of stuff off ebay. I've learned to wait to the end and = then bid the most I think a part is worth. If I get it, then great, if = not, it was worth more to the next guy. And, yes, there is some sort of = last second bidding package that you can buy that submits your bid at the = very end. Not sure where to get it though. Joe Geigel
(back) Subject: Re: One Piece Fuel Lines From: "Lee" <pyre400@yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 10:26:42 -0800 (PST) It took me about an hour to put my SS fuel line in, though it was already on jack stands and the rear wheels were off. I got the one piece that went from the gas tank to the top of the control arm on the passenger side. All you have to do is unbend the thing (it comes bent in half) Then you have to take off the parking brake cable off... Actually I think I left a little bend in the line, you will need it in order to fit it in. There is a bolt you must remove on a hold down in the front before the control arm on the frame (by the ground strap. Then there are some spring like holders holding the line to the frame, and the vapor return to the line. The hardest part I think was getting the old rubber tubes off of each end of the line. They were hard as a rock and would not give. Be careful of those clips on the frame as time has made them brittle.. I can really say much more than what experience will. I did not have to take anything else off, but I remember using a little finesse on the line and then bending back, just be careful of those clips and watch the coil-stone guard that goes around certain points... you'll find the after market has less area covered, but it will tend to slide up and down the bends. Make sure the stone guards are in the same place on the new as they are on the old... Oh, and keep the red end caps on till you put the new line in, it will keep dirt and rust out while you install. Sorry for the long response, good luck... Feel free to e-mail me off line if I could be of more assistance. Lee __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/
(back) Subject: RE: E-bay From: "Chris Porter" <fxstsb@pop.sttl.uswest.net> Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 11:14:55 -0800 I know some of the frustration your feeling ( as many other's do as well ). But, there ARE still good deals to be had. I recently picked up a factory clock for my car. It's out of a `67, mine's a `68, but it was close enough for me. I got it for $76 !!! In December, my wife was going to try to get one for my Christmas present. We saw 4 or 5 go for $175 to $300 ! I think the prices also depend on what time of year it is ? E-bay can be a good tool for us, if we use our heads and don't "overpay". I don't think we would be able to locate some of the "hard to find" parts near as easily without it. Good luck in the future. Chris `68 350 H.O. Drop-top
(back) Subject: Re:Ebay bidding- sniping From: <kmorrow@socket.net> Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 19:35:51 GMT Read closely, I'm about to reveal one of my best ebay secrets!!! You guys = are correct. You are being snipered by an automatic bid program that is faster = than any human. I only learned about it after having it done to me, 15 seconds = to go and bam out of no where you get shot down. Lots of diehard ebay buyers = use these It is perfectly legal and accepted by ebay- they can't stop it but = they don't just tell programmers how to do it. The best one I have found is = from etusa.com, costs $10 and updates are free. It is called turbobid. Here's = how it works. Add the items you are interested in to your favorites(bookmark it) = as you browse ebay. The program pulls the items from your favorites. Seven = minutes before auction end it automatically dials up and connects to your isp. It = then synchronizes with ebay time. It sends out a couple test pings and adjusts = for internet lag time- the net is slower during peak hours. You set the snipe = time, can be down to 15 seconds. It bids at that time automatically by sending a = packet to ebay with your user name and max bid. It only bids what it takes = to win but with ebay's proxy bidding it keeps going until it hits your max on = that item. It does not use your browser at all, it sends directly to ebay. Be careful when you set your max bids, it really works too well!!! Kane kmorrow@socket.net
(back) Subject: Re: Rochester puking.... From: "John Wern" <jwern@gw.total-web.net> Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 15:02:33 -0500 Well - After a rebuild kit from Pep Boys ($22.00) and going to the local library for "How to tune and adjust your carburator" -- I read a little and then I took the carb apart and put it back together. She leaks no = more! I think the problem was that the "shut off pin" hook, that connects to the float bar, had come disconnected. Thanks Hugo and Rowan. I would have never atempted anything like that before. It was so easy. The hardest part was getting the metering sticks back through the jets. Thanks again John. -----Original Message----- From: hugoba@apcom.com <hugoba@apcom.com> To: Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com <Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com> Date: Thursday, February 15, 2001 11:16 PM Subject: Re: Rochester puking.... >First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List >......................................................................... >John, > >There's two likely causes for that. One is a punctured float and the = other is a >bad float valve (possibly some junk in there preventing it from closing). >You basically have to take it apart to see if the float (one of them) has >sunk or you may have to remove them and shake them to see if there is gas in >them. > >Fixing a punctured float is a PITA but it's doable. > >Hugo > >> From Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com Thu Feb 15 13:10:32 2001 >> From: "John Wern" <jwern@gw.total-web.net> >> To: "First Generation Firebird-L" <Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com> >> Subject: Rochester puking.... >> Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 15:03:45 -0500 >> MIME-Version: 1.0 >> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >> X-Priority: 3 >> X-MSMail-Priority: Normal >> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 >> >> First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List >> = ......................................................................... >> Anybody got a clue as to why my carb just started shooting out gas? I = was >> cruizing along, Kinda gave it some gas in the passing lane and she = kinda >> coughed her self out. I smelled gas real bad. I opened the hood and there >> is gas all over the carb and down the sides. I take off the air = cleaner >> element and it's all over the place. I let it sit a while and it = starts up >> pretty quick but - same thing Gas just coming out all over the place. Any >> Rochester guy out there? John.
(back) Subject: Re: Ebay bidding- more useful info From: <kmorrow@socket.net> Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 19:49:05 GMT Another good free computer program to go along with a sniping program is a = clock synch program. One that sets your clock on the computer exact to the = millisecond. All the sniping programs initialize the dialup based on the = clock on your computer and then synch to ebay once connected to your isp. If = your computer clock is set wrong you can still miss out. A progam called atomic = clock synch pings the atomic clock the government uses and synchs yours perfectly. It is available free at = http://www.worldtimeserver.com/atomic-clock/ Kane kmorrow@socket.net
(back) Subject: Re: Traction bars on 400's From: <kmorrow@socket.net> Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 19:52:26 GMT I don't think all 67 400 bird's got both bars. I have a phs documented 400 = coupe with turbo 400 and factory ordered performance axle ratio. It only = has the passenger side bar with no evidence of ever having the driver side = one. There are no holes in the floorboard where the front bracket on the driver = side would have been and it is untouched. Kane kmorrow@socket.net
(back) Subject: RE: Ebay bidding- sniping From: "Trimpe, Bob" <TrimpeB@rajones.com> Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 15:50:59 -0500 I KNEW IT I KNEW IT I KNEW IT. I was getting slammed by a computer! I feel much better now... Thanks Kane Bob Trimpe (Exits red-faced) -----Original Message----- From: kmorrow@socket.net [mailto:kmorrow@socket.net] Sent: Friday, February 16, 2001 2:36 PM To: Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com Subject: Re:Ebay bidding- sniping First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List .......................................................................... Read closely, I'm about to reveal one of my best ebay secrets!!! You guys are correct. You are being snipered by an automatic bid program that is faster than any human. I only learned about it after having it done to me, 15 seconds = to go and bam out of no where you get shot down. Lots of diehard ebay buyers = use these It is perfectly legal and accepted by ebay- they can't stop it but they don't just tell programmers how to do it. The best one I have found is = from etusa.com, costs $10 and updates are free. It is called turbobid. Here's = how it works. Add the items you are interested in to your favorites(bookmark it) = as you browse ebay. The program pulls the items from your favorites. Seven minutes before auction end it automatically dials up and connects to your isp. It then synchronizes with ebay time. It sends out a couple test pings and adjusts for internet lag time- the net is slower during peak hours. You set the snipe time, can be down to 15 seconds. It bids at that time automatically by sending a = packet to ebay with your user name and max bid. It only bids what it takes to win but with ebay's proxy bidding it keeps going until it hits your max on that item. It does not use your browser at all, it sends directly to ebay. Be careful when you set your max bids, it really works too well!!! Kane kmorrow@socket.net
(back) Subject: Re: Johnny Lightning 67 Birds From: "Brian Sargent" <bjsbird1@yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 13:19:50 -0800 (PST) Brett, Where up here did you find them? Target? Thanks Brian 69 conv. --- Brett Luikkonen <brett@cisdirect.com> wrote: > First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List > .......................................................................... > Ok Steve Manktelow, up in the Great White North and > Hugo > by the Bay... I found your Johnny Lightning cars, > but just the white one so > far. > > I actually have one each for you and one extra. So > if you guy's want it I'll > offer it to you first, or if anyone else on the list > just has to have one > but can't find one. I'll be glad to sell this one > for the actual retail of > $2.99 to you. I just want to pass them around to > First Gen enthusiasts! > > I'll still be looking for more and will notify the > list if I find some more. > I'll buy all I can find... The first two Gold one > will go to Hugo and Steve. > > Happy Bird hunting! - Brett (1stgenbirdman) > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/