First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List Re: Can't find the Correct engine paint by "Brian Sargent" <bjsbird1@yahoo.com> Re: Car pricing? by <DANRELKINS@aol.com> Re: Free Pictures on the Web (was Car pricing?) by "Geoff Martin" <Geoff@firstgenfirebird.org> Correct Engine Paint Color by "Brett Luikkonen" <brett@cisdirect.com> FirstGenFirebird Gathering Idea by "Geoff Martin" <Geoff@firstgenfirebird.org> Wimbleton white by "Chris Porter" <fxstsb@pop.sttl.uswest.net> Re: Can't find the correct engine paint by "Doug" <dcharnley@mediaone.net> Re: Car pricing? by "matt schmid" <schmidmj@hotmail.com> Re: Firebird-L Digest #1776 by "Lee" <pyre400@yahoo.com> Re: Firebird-L Digest #1776 by "Michael Howell" <fishgod@iglou.com> Re: cam outcome?Joe by "Joe Brown" <jb.pb@gte.net> RE: Parchment color by "x1r1 x" <x1r1@hotmail.com> RE: Parchment color by "x1r1 x" <x1r1@hotmail.com> Re: Parchment color by "Joe Brown" <jb.pb@gte.net> Re: Rebuilt 400 on eBay for $1025 by "Joe Brown" <jb.pb@gte.net> Carpet Reality Check by "larry diede" <ldiede@bangkok.com> Re: Parchment color - Pictures available if wanted by "ROY D LUMSDEN" <rlumsden@tampabay.rr.com> Re: Carpet Reality Check by "Glenn Uettwiller" <birdman@gdi.net> Re: Parchment color by "Glenn Uettwiller" <birdman@gdi.net> Re: FirstGenFirebird Gathering Idea by "Glenn Uettwiller" <birdman@gdi.net> Correct pitman arm by "Paul and Sarah" <psb357@altavista.com>
(back) Subject: Re: Can't find the Correct engine paint From: "Brian Sargent" <bjsbird1@yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 12:29:42 -0800 (PST) I lost you're address, sorry group Brett Did you try the dealer? How about Wesco paint supply? I was given one can from a friend, when I did my 400. I used the over-the-counter "Pontiac Blue" as a base coat then used the "real" stuff as my top coat. I agree you have to have our silver/blue for the finished product. There's a Wesco Paint Supply next to Tires Plus in Totem Lake. If you can't find their Number let me know and I'll swing by there after work on Saturday. Wesco, shows a 77 Pontiac engine blue in there books. they are calling their color library to check availability. they will call with the answer this afternoon. If it's available it would come in a pint bottle that would need to be sprayed through a gun or an arosol bottle. I'll let you know what they come up with. Brian 69 conv. Kirkland --- Brett Luikkonen <> wrote: > First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List > .......................................................................... > Hey guy's... remember that 455 I just got for my 67 > vert. Well I'm ready to > paint it up like new... But I can't find the right > Pontiac Blue Paint! > > All I find is Plastikote Pontiac Blue which is more > of a solid Baby Blue. > I want the Metallic Teal Blue like the older paint > in the 60's. I was told > that Duplicolor had a #227 that was the right stuff, > but I can't find it! > > Can anyone help with any info and or if anyone can > find some would they be > willing to buy it and I'll send money for the cost > and shipping? I have been > to 7 places so far and will hit some more over the > week-end. I'm stumped! > > Thanks, Brett in Seattle - 67 Drop Top 455! > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices! = http://auctions.yahoo.com/
(back) Subject: Re: Car pricing? From: <DANRELKINS@aol.com> Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 15:56:03 EST Matt - and others If you want to post pics on a free site for everyone to view (and I'm sure = there's more than just one) You can do it at www.facelink.com Then you can send the facelink.com address and everyone can view it Just a thought Dan 68 400 drop top
(back) Subject: Re: Free Pictures on the Web (was Car pricing?) From: "Geoff Martin" <Geoff@firstgenfirebird.org> Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 16:14:58 -0500 You can also participate in our Owner Show for free. It only costs you time. More information at: http://FirstGenFirebird.org/show Geoff '68 Mayfair Maize Firebird 350 Convertible <http://FirstGenFirebird.org/show/closeup.mv?CarID=3D46> <Geoff@FirstGenFirebird.org> >If you want to post pics on a free site for everyone to view (and I'm = sure >there's more than just one) >You can do it at www.facelink.com >T
(back) Subject: Correct Engine Paint Color From: "Brett Luikkonen" <brett@cisdirect.com> Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 13:22:33 -0600 Thanks Bob, I did order some from this place, I figured that it would take just as long to get it shipped either way. I'll let you and everyone know how it works! This paint they manufacture, they say is still on some of their engines they painted 32 years ago! So you know it has to be good stuff! I think they had a higher temp rating than the 500 degrees of Plastikote or Duplicolor. But I will keep it in mind! Who knows, I may be painting more motors in the future! I hope! - Thanks Brett Brett, I can buy it at several local auto parts stores here in the Midwest. I = hope to post pics soon of my engine rebuild -- complete with Pontiac #227 metallic blue. (Man it looks nice...) Let me know if I can help. Bob Trimpe .......................................................................... Bill Hirsch Automotive that specializes in these products. They have both colors of Pontiac Blue broken down by the years, available in pints or aerosol cans. http://www.hirschauto.com/ Thanks, Brett In Seattle
(back) Subject: FirstGenFirebird Gathering Idea From: "Geoff Martin" <Geoff@firstgenfirebird.org> Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 16:40:20 -0500 Listers, Dee Sherrow got me thinking about organizing another gathering like what they did in California. I don't think we have enough people or interesting events to get a good turnout for a FirstGenFirebird gathering but would like to organize something for our group. I think a good idea would be to tie into an annual event which already has its traditions. How about if we plan an annual event tied with the POCI National Convention (http://poci.org)? They have the event in a different location every year. Last year I attended the event in Grand Rapids and had a great time meeting list members. This year the event is in Minnesota, July 18th -- 21th, 2000. How about it? Would this be feasible for almost everyone who wanted to participate? Only problem with this idea, I think we have to belong to POCI to participate in the show or see the speakers. I did not have to pay to walk around the show and swap area but I did end up joining a month later. Geoff '68 Mayfair Maize Firebird 350 Convertible <http://FirstGenFirebird.org/show/closeup.mv?CarID=3D46> <Geoff@FirstGenFirebird.org>
(back) Subject: Wimbleton white From: "Chris Porter" <fxstsb@pop.sttl.uswest.net> Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 13:42:55 -0800 >Do you know the year of the ford wimblemdom white? My wifes fairlane is Wimbleton White, it's a `67 if that help's. Chris `68 350 H.O. Drop-top
(back) Subject: Re: Can't find the correct engine paint From: "Doug" <dcharnley@mediaone.net> Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 18:34:07 -0500 I've found itDupliColor here in NH at VIP Auto, WalMart, and quite a few other autoparts stores. Maybe call Duplicolor to find out where it's sold in your area. http://www.duplicolor.com/ Doug Brett Luikkonen wrote: > First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List > = ......................................................................... > Well after much searching, I found an engine restoration Co. > on the East Coast Bill Hirsch Automotive that specializes in > these products. They have it in pints or aerosol cans. > > They have tons of other restoration products, but I was hot to get > the correct engine paint, so I just got that and some 1,800 > degree exhaust paint for the headers. > > So I answered my own question! But here is the link just in > case anyone else is looking for this type of product in the > future or for reference in the Q & A section! This is just > one place to find it, I'm sure there are more, but I jumped > at the first one! > > http://www.hirschauto.com/ > > Thanks, Brett In Seattle
(back) Subject: Re: Car pricing? From: "matt schmid" <schmidmj@hotmail.com> Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 00:00:35 Everyone, thanks for the feedback and the interest I'm really looking forward to everyone getting a look at the car and telling me what they think. It has been brought to my attention that I can post the pictures = for free on the web, so tomorrow I'll see if I can do that and then I'll send out an email letting everyone know where it's at. Thanks again, talk to = you tomorrow. Matt _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
(back) Subject: Re: Firebird-L Digest #1776 From: "Lee" <pyre400@yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 16:09:31 -0800 (PST) Right on. Thanks Mike. I thought that 1000 was high, but 650 without the solenoid sounds good. I don't exactly have a stocker, so 800 might be the mean. Thanks Mike for looking that up for me, Lee __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices! = http://auctions.yahoo.com/
(back) Subject: Re: Firebird-L Digest #1776 From: "Michael Howell" <fishgod@iglou.com> Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 20:14:20 -0500 Always glad to help... most of the shop manuals I've looked at = (Cadillacs, other pontiacs, buicks) the idle is between 500 (low end for autos) and = 800 (some manuals), so if you don't have the info 700-750 is probably a safe bet for a manual if it feels smooth at that speed. >Right on. >Thanks Mike. I thought that 1000 was high, but 650 >without the solenoid sounds good. I don't exactly >have a stocker, so 800 might be the mean. >Thanks Mike for looking that up for me,
(back) Subject: Re: cam outcome?Joe From: "Joe Brown" <jb.pb@gte.net> Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 21:07:38 -0800 Guy's , That motor is history , I have been running a 455 for about two years now . I thought I would help out with my past knowledge and = experience .. Geeben my 60 ft time where 2.1 to 2.3 and some where worst . When I installed a comp cam 268 -2400converter ,355gears, still terrible 60' = times ,15.2 @94 mph Just rod:the secondaries where not opening , Iwas at the track , but I put = a bolt in the secondary to force it open , with street tires I was not = hooking up at all , it sounded and ran great , I will never knock a Pontiac 350 , the motor had tons of torque I wanted more speed , I was getting beat by ch&vy's and F@rds . The 455 = was the answer , I have since beat the ford but nobody else want to beat . Joe
(back) Subject: RE: Parchment color From: "x1r1 x" <x1r1@hotmail.com> Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 18:05:27 -0800 I have '67 white A pillars(parchment car, some pics at = www.cruzes.com/~rowan ....keep clicking thumbnails to get full size), and have also seen black(black interior car). Someone want the white ones? note:In '68 Pontiac switched to vinyl covered A pillars. Rowan *68disabled >From: "Trimpe, Bob" <TrimpeB@rajones.com> >John, > >The Wimbledon white is irrespective of year -- it's just the name of a >color >Ford used. So I think as long as you ask your paint dealer for that color >by >name, you'll get the right thing. > >I can't say about the quality of the aftermarket parts' parchment color; >my >car's interior is red! It's my buddy's GTO that's parchment. But I'll ask >him and let you know if I get any good info. > >Chrome A pillars were used on 67 birds (help me out, listers, if I'm = wrong >on that) > >Regards, >Bob Trimpe > >-----Original Message----- >From: Jeff Davis [mailto:Jeff_Davis19@excite.com] >John & Bob, > >Please include me with any off-list emails regarding suppliers. I am = also >going to get teh parchment interior. Same desire to have it done soon as >spring IS here, though not officially. So John we're kinda in this >together. Your help and input would be appreciated. > >Thanks, >Jeff Davis >'68 350 convertible >On Thu, 22 Feb 2001 23:17:04 EST, First Generation Firebird-L wrote: > > > First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List > > >......................................................................... > > Bob > > > > My FB has code 260 deluxe partment and black intir. It's all gutted >know. >Do > > you know the year of the ford wimblemdom white? > > Sping is comming fast and still have alot to do. > > > > Thanks Bob I will diffenitly try it, And how big of a problem is the >color > > differnts in aftermarket parchment parts? If hear the Parcment This >doesn't > > always match a Parcment That? My car should have chrome A-pilars = right? > > > > John Costello > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
(back) Subject: RE: Parchment color From: "x1r1 x" <x1r1@hotmail.com> Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 18:13:52 -0800 I have '67 white A pillars(parchment car, some pics at = www.cruzes.com/~rowan ....keep clicking thumbnails to get full size), and have also seen black(black interior car). Someone want the white ones? note:In '68 Pontiac switched to vinyl covered A pillars. Rowan *68disabled >From: "Trimpe, Bob" <TrimpeB@rajones.com> >John, > >The Wimbledon white is irrespective of year -- it's just the name of a >color >Ford used. So I think as long as you ask your paint dealer for that color >by >name, you'll get the right thing. > >I can't say about the quality of the aftermarket parts' parchment color; >my >car's interior is red! It's my buddy's GTO that's parchment. But I'll ask >him and let you know if I get any good info. > >Chrome A pillars were used on 67 birds (help me out, listers, if I'm = wrong >on that) > >Regards, >Bob Trimpe > >-----Original Message----- >From: Jeff Davis [mailto:Jeff_Davis19@excite.com] >John & Bob, > >Please include me with any off-list emails regarding suppliers. I am = also >going to get teh parchment interior. Same desire to have it done soon as >spring IS here, though not officially. So John we're kinda in this >together. Your help and input would be appreciated. > >Thanks, >Jeff Davis >'68 350 convertible >On Thu, 22 Feb 2001 23:17:04 EST, First Generation Firebird-L wrote: > > > First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List > > >......................................................................... > > Bob > > > > My FB has code 260 deluxe partment and black intir. It's all gutted >know. >Do > > you know the year of the ford wimblemdom white? > > Sping is comming fast and still have alot to do. > > > > Thanks Bob I will diffenitly try it, And how big of a problem is the >color > > differnts in aftermarket parchment parts? If hear the Parcment This >doesn't > > always match a Parcment That? My car should have chrome A-pilars = right? > > > > John Costello > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
(back) Subject: Re: Parchment color From: "Joe Brown" <jb.pb@gte.net> Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 21:34:41 -0800 I thought that parchment looked like pearl white ? it is not bright white = or plain white . It was hard to keep clean . I have black now . Joe
(back) Subject: Re: Rebuilt 400 on eBay for $1025 From: "Joe Brown" <jb.pb@gte.net> Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 21:43:39 -0800 That would seem like a real pain in the @ss to ship a complete engine , = why can't he sell it in his home town ? Professionally rebuilt ? I bet that = all that was done is new rings , bearings , and cam . No machine work and = built by a professional . That's it ! Joe
(back) Subject: Carpet Reality Check From: "larry diede" <ldiede@bangkok.com> Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 20:38:56 -0700 Fellow list members, I am in need of a reality check. I recently began to install the carpet = that I got from Classic Industies (actually purchased some time ago), it = is made by a company called ACC. Upon inspection it appears to very = poorly made. The jute backing is doubled over in many places and appears = of poor quality. None of the holes are cutout. I am reluctant to begin = installing it and finding out it is an unworkable situation that i will be = less than happy with. I am tempted to return it and order from AMES or someone else if they sell = a carpet of better quality. My questions are these: 1)is the ACC brand the standard? 2)Would another = product from some one else be the same or worse. 3)Has anyone else used = this brand of carpet? If so how did you like it? 4)Can some one recommend = a better brand. 5)Last but not least does anyone have any carpet installation tips? Thanks in advance for your guidance on this. Larry Diede Larry Diede Denver, CO Where part of your salary is the scenery ----------------------------------------------- Thailand's BEST Free Email at Bangkok.com - http://mail.bangkok.com
(back) Subject: Re: Parchment color - Pictures available if wanted From: "ROY D LUMSDEN" <rlumsden@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 23:10:20 -0500 I did my 69 coupe in standard parchment. That was the factory color. I bought the covers from Classic and the color was more of a cream color. I used them anyway. I took the seat covers to the paint shop and had them match it with some interior dye. I used it to dye the black door panels = that were on the car when I bought it. If anyone is interested, I can e-mail = you a couple of shots of the completed interior. Just drop me note. I still have the original deluxe seats that were in my 69 convertible. The color was more white and had a pearl clear. I will get a lot of argument about the pearl because they supposedly stopped making that color in 68 = but my 69 seats don't lie. If I go back together with parchment I will use the 68 color with the pearl. I just think it looks better. Roy
(back) Subject: Re: Carpet Reality Check From: "Glenn Uettwiller" <birdman@gdi.net> Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 00:38:06 -0500 Hey Larry, I seem to remember that ACC, also known as Auto Custom Carpets, is the supplier of the most accurate replacement carpets for our cars. I purchased a couple sets, and they were fine, with the right loop, proper shape, and correct heel pad. They are NEVER pre-cut for holes where you need them because there are always adjustments needed from car to car. You might want to see if the Ames folks have any other input, as Steve Ames has, for many years now, commented on the quality of the parts he sells right in the catalogs. Glenn aka birdman larry diede wrote: > Fellow list members, > > I am in need of a reality check. I recently began to install the = carpet that I got from Classic Industies (actually purchased some time = ago), it is made by a company called ACC. Upon inspection it appears to = very poorly made. The jute backing is doubled over in many places and = appears of poor quality. None of the holes are cutout. I am reluctant to = begin installing it and finding out it is an unworkable situation that i = will be less than happy with. > > I am tempted to return it and order from AMES or someone else if they = sell a carpet of better quality. > > My questions are these: 1)is the ACC brand the standard? 2)Would = another product from some one else be the same or worse. 3)Has anyone = else used this brand of carpet? If so how did you like it? 4)Can some one = recommend a better brand. > > 5)Last but not least does anyone have any carpet installation tips? > > Thanks in advance for your guidance on this. > > Larry Diede > > Larry Diede > > Denver, CO > Where part of your salary is the scenery
(back) Subject: Re: Parchment color From: "Glenn Uettwiller" <birdman@gdi.net> Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 00:46:04 -0500 Hey Roy, Gary Patrick and I compared the 68 and 69 Parchment colors a few years ago. They are somewhat different; the 68 seems more pearlish than the 69. With age, they both might yellow somewhat as well. Of course, the hard plastic parts such as seatbacks, hinge arm covers and kick panels of EVERY color except black seem to get a scaly texture with age. The Parchment is the worst at this, except maybe the 69 Camaro white - I've had some Camaro seats that the hard plastic was very crumbly. Actually, I've noticed some pearl effect on the original green seats that were in my 69 OHC6 coupe in certain lighting. Glenn aka birdman ROY D LUMSDEN wrote: > I did my 69 coupe in standard parchment. That was the factory color. I > bought the covers from Classic and the color was more of a cream color. = I > used them anyway. I took the seat covers to the paint shop and had them > match it with some interior dye. I used it to dye the black door panels = that > were on the car when I bought it. If anyone is interested, I can e-mail = you > a couple of shots of the completed interior. Just drop me note. > > I still have the original deluxe seats that were in my 69 convertible. = The > color was more white and had a pearl clear. I will get a lot of argument > about the pearl because they supposedly stopped making that color in 68 = but > my 69 seats don't lie. If I go back together with parchment I will use = the > 68 color with the pearl. I just think it looks better. > > Roy
(back) Subject: Re: FirstGenFirebird Gathering Idea From: "Glenn Uettwiller" <birdman@gdi.net> Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 00:54:45 -0500 Hey Geoff, you are correct about the "exclusivity" of POCI, and I would offer something less political than a POCI convention. Why not either the Ames Performance Nationals at Norwalk Ohio, or the Trans Am Nationals that were in Dayton Ohio last time I checked. The Ames event used to be "Tri-Power Sunday" and has grown quickly as an alternative to the politicking that has existed for many years in both POCI and GTOAA. While those events are somewhat more settled in location, and therefore maybe less accessible to some, I've heard that the "big boys" around Pontiac circles enjoy the more relaxed atmosphere at such events. This group should too. Just my two cents, Glenn aka birdman, EX-POCI member and tech advisor Geoff Martin wrote: > Listers, > > Dee Sherrow got me thinking about organizing another gathering like what > they did in California. I don't think we have enough people or > interesting events to get a good turnout for a FirstGenFirebird = gathering > but would like to organize something for our group. I think a good idea > would be to tie into an annual event which already has its traditions. > > How about if we plan an annual event tied with the POCI National > Convention (http://poci.org)? They have the event in a different > location every year. Last year I attended the event in Grand Rapids and > had a great time meeting list members. This year the event is in > Minnesota, July 18th -- 21th, 2000. > > How about it? Would this be feasible for almost everyone who wanted to > participate? Only problem with this idea, I think we have to belong to > POCI to participate in the show or see the speakers. I did not have to > pay to walk around the show and swap area but I did end up joining a > month later. > > Geoff
(back) Subject: Correct pitman arm From: "Paul and Sarah" <psb357@altavista.com> Date: 23 Feb 2001 22:12:27 -0800 I have a 67 400 Conv with power steering. The pitman arm on the car is = shot and needs to be replaced. The arm currently on the car is the = 'straight' type, but I have another one that is supposed to be for a 67 = 400 car that is 'curved' (GM Part #9789158A). It looks from the Q&A that curved may be correct for a 68/69 400. I think = this has been brought up on the list before, but which one is correct for = my car? What is the difference between the two? (manual vs. ps or V8 vs. = OHC-6?) Is the center link different between birds that used the = different types? At a $100 each, it would be nice to use the curved one I = already have... Thanks, Paul Beers p.s. those owner pages look great! Find the best deals on the web at AltaVista Shopping! http://www.shopping.altavista.com