First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List Re: FirstGenFirebird Gathering Idea by "Brian Sargent" <bjsbird1@yahoo.com> TH 350 by "John Wern" <jwern@charter.net> Air conditioning by "Steve Manktelow" <twocan@colba.net> Re: Air conditioning by "John Wern" <jwern@charter.net> Dying Seat belts by "Gary Patrick" <Gary@tcworks.net> Stir up a new question by "Chris Porter" <fxstsb@pop.sttl.uswest.net> bird pics on the web! by "matt schmid" <schmidmj@hotmail.com> Re: Value of '67 (was bird pics on the web!) by "Geoff Martin" <Geoff@firstgenfirebird.org> Re: TH 350 by "AL ROJAS" <amr@appsig.com> Re: Value of '67 (was bird pics on the web!) by "Michael Howell" <fishgod@iglou.com> way off firebird topic but need help by "matt schmid" <schmidmj@hotmail.com> Re: FirstGenFirebird Gathering Idea by "Michael Howell" <fishgod@iglou.com> Re: bird pics on the web! by "Brian Sargent" <bjsbird1@yahoo.com> Re: Stir up a new question by "Brian Sargent" <bjsbird1@yahoo.com> 67 Subframe by "Charlie & Rose Huntington" <badgoat@gwi.net> RE: TH 350 by "Slobird" <marcts@ga.prestige.net> Re: way off firebird topic but need help by "Michael Howell" <fishgod@iglou.com> Steering Column Wiring Harness by "ROY D LUMSDEN" <rlumsden@tampabay.rr.com> Re: Parchment color by "ROY D LUMSDEN" <rlumsden@tampabay.rr.com>
(back) Subject: Re: FirstGenFirebird Gathering Idea From: "Brian Sargent" <bjsbird1@yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 06:05:16 -0800 (PST) Geoff, I know this isn't the mid-west or the east coast but up here in the beautiful Pacific Northwest we, the Western Wash. Firebird club, will be having our 1st. "All Pontiac Car Show" on August 19 in celebration of 75 years of Pontiac. For those of us in this area or if others are traveling, vacation/bussiness, it would be a good meeting place. Brian 69 conv. --- Glenn Uettwiller <birdman@gdi.net> wrote: > First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List > .......................................................................... > Hey Geoff, you are correct about the "exclusivity" > of POCI, and I would > offer something less political than a POCI > convention. Why not either > the Ames Performance Nationals at Norwalk Ohio, or > the Trans Am > Nationals that were in Dayton Ohio last time I > checked. The Ames event > used to be "Tri-Power Sunday" and has grown quickly > as an alternative to > the politicking that has existed for many years in > both POCI and GTOAA. > While those events are somewhat more settled in > location, and therefore > maybe less accessible to some, I've heard that the > "big boys" around > Pontiac circles enjoy the more relaxed atmosphere at > such events. This > group should too. > > Just my two cents, Glenn aka birdman, EX-POCI member > and tech advisor > > > Geoff Martin wrote: > > Listers, > > > > Dee Sherrow got me thinking about organizing > another gathering like what > > they did in California. I don't think we have > enough people or > > interesting events to get a good turnout for a > FirstGenFirebird gathering > > but would like to organize something for our > group. I think a good idea > > would be to tie into an annual event which already > has its traditions. > > > > How about if we plan an annual event tied with the > POCI National > > Convention (http://poci.org)? They have the event > in a different > > location every year. Last year I attended the > event in Grand Rapids and > > had a great time meeting list members. This year > the event is in > > Minnesota, July 18th -- 21th, 2000. > > > > How about it? Would this be feasible for almost > everyone who wanted to > > participate? Only problem with this idea, I think > we have to belong to > > POCI to participate in the show or see the > speakers. I did not have to > > pay to walk around the show and swap area but I > did end up joining a > > month later. > > > > Geoff > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/
(back) Subject: TH 350 From: "John Wern" <jwern@charter.net> Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 10:04:33 -0500 Anybody got a clue how many quarts of transmision fluid a TH350 takes? I put in 4.5 (to many I know) (For some reason I thought I was at 2qts.) = I have no idea what I was thinking. JOhn
(back) Subject: Air conditioning From: "Steve Manktelow" <twocan@colba.net> Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 22:23:26 -0500 There is a good web site with lots of info for your airconditioned cars. It is not specific to f-body's, or classics, but has a lot of info about conversions, and alternative refrigerants. I hope this info can help someone. www.aircondition.com Steve
(back) Subject: Re: Air conditioning From: "John Wern" <jwern@charter.net> Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 11:50:13 -0500 Speaking of A/C units. _ I couldnt find the article in CC on that. I = have no idea where that issue is. I know someone here must have read it?? Am I crazy? Sorry all. John. -----Original Message----- From: Steve Manktelow <twocan@colba.net> To: First Generation Firebird-L <Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com> Date: Saturday, February 24, 2001 11:03 AM Subject: Air conditioning >First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List >......................................................................... >There is a good web site with lots of info for your airconditioned >cars. It is not specific to f-body's, or classics, but has a lot of >info about conversions, and alternative refrigerants. I hope this info >can help someone. > >www.aircondition.com > >Steve >
(back) Subject: Dying Seat belts From: "Gary Patrick" <Gary@tcworks.net> Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 11:40:03 -0500 Subject: Dying Seat belts From: <Pzary3233@aol.com> Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 08:41:27 EST Hi I picked up a great set of seat belts but they are the wrong color!! (they are black) I need to dye them April Gold. What is the best way to go about doing this??? thanks Paul Z. 68 350 coupe Paul,Youre not going to have much success going from a dark color to a lighter color. Dying nylon is tricky even under the right conditions. They can be bleached first but the bleach may compromise the strength of the belt material.I may have some april gold belts to trade. email me off list Gary
(back) Subject: Stir up a new question From: "Chris Porter" <fxstsb@pop.sttl.uswest.net> Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 09:31:35 -0800 I was out in the garage the other day, admiring the lines of our cars. I kept looking at the taillight's. Those taillight's are my favorite part of this car. Which made me wonder, if you had to pick one specific part of you Firebird as you favorite. What would it be ? Just thought this would stir up some interesting view point's. Chris `68 350 H.O. Drop-top
(back) Subject: bird pics on the web! From: "matt schmid" <schmidmj@hotmail.com> Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 17:48:11 Ok folks, the pictures are on the web at www.photopoint.com, just go to visit albums and type my email address...schmidmj@hotmail.com...and the pictures will be under the 67 firebird folder. Here is what the fellow has told me about the car..... The car is blue with a white conv. top. It had slight damage in the rear = but no frame damage. Both quarters had a little damage and a small = amount of rust. So he has brand new quarters for both sides as well as tail = lights and rear panel skin. The floor pans are in great shape, no rust. The top = had some holes in it when he bought it, so it will need a new top. The 326 = runs great, supposedly, and has matching numbers, and has a 4bbl carb. The breather and valve covers are chrome. The gas tank is out of the car and = is rusty. The interior is out, seats carpet, console and door panels, it will = probably need a dress up kit to look nice, the door panels are out so he could lube the window arm joints. The wheels are regular and came with PMD = hubcaps. The car has been sitting in a building for the last two years and = the last time it was started was 1.5 years ago. That would be all I know about her...I'll be happy for any feedback and what you guys think. I don't know if the pictures and this info is enough for you to give an estimate, but a ballpark number of what might be = expected would help. Thanks a lot everyone, I'm really looking forward to hear what = you have to say. Matt Schmid - wannabe bird owner _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
(back) Subject: Re: Value of '67 (was bird pics on the web!) From: "Geoff Martin" <Geoff@firstgenfirebird.org> Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 13:16:07 -0500 '67 Firebird 326 Convertible which needs fully restored which seems intact, rough estimate $2500 - 3500. The bumper looks bent near the noise on the right side. My guess for you to use as a baseline - Geoff '68 Mayfair Maize Firebird 350 Convertible <http://FirstGenFirebird.org/show/closeup.mv?CarID=3D46> <Geoff@FirstGenFirebird.org> > Here is what the fellow has told me about the car..... > > The car is blue with a white conv. top. It had slight damage in the = rear >but no frame damage. Both quarters had a little damage and a small = amount >of rust. So he has brand new quarters for both sides as well as tail = lights >and rear panel skin. The floor pans are in great shape, no rust. The top = had >some holes in it when he bought it, so it will need a new top. The 326 = runs >great, supposedly, and has matching numbers, and has a 4bbl carb. The >breather and valve covers are chrome. The gas tank is out of the car and = is >rusty. The interior is out, seats carpet, console and door panels, it = will >probably need a dress up kit to look nice, the door panels are out so he >could lube the window arm joints. The wheels are regular and came with = PMD >hubcaps. The car has been sitting in a building for the last two years = and >the last time it was started was 1.5 years ago. > That would be all I know about her...I'll be happy for any feedback and = >what you guys think. I don't know if the pictures and this info is enough = >for you to give an estimate, but a ballpark number of what might be = expected >would help. Thanks a lot everyone, I'm really looking forward to hear = what >you have to say.
(back) Subject: Re: TH 350 From: "AL ROJAS" <amr@appsig.com> Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 10:40:09 -0800 I think it's about 4 with the converter. I over filled mine too. Al
(back) Subject: Re: Value of '67 (was bird pics on the web!) From: "Michael Howell" <fishgod@iglou.com> Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 14:05:01 -0500 I agree with Geoff... in that range... but I personally wouldn't give more = than 2k for it. Sure it ran good 1.5 years ago, but that doesn't mean anything today. That engine could be seized up (probably not, but could) = and more than likely the seals in it are dried out so it will develop oil burning problems. Of course if you're gonna ditch it and throw in a 400 = or 455, more power to ya! If it is indeed matching #s you should at least hold on to that 326. Being young and inexperienced, I have made a few purchases of classic cars = that I thought were "not too bad" and wouldn't be "too much work." Boy was I wrong. I loved the cars, but the cost and time involved was too prohibitive at the time. That bird is certainly a good restoration project, but it is also a FULL restoration project. I guess I'm saying be = sure you know what you're getting yourself into.. I sure didn't on my = first few classics. I can see that being a VERY nice car one day.. but it's gonna be a lot of work and $$$$$$$$$$. After you get some more replies, I'd be interested in what this guy is asking as compared to what people here say.... Mike '68 350 Coupe At 01:16 PM 2/24/2001 -0500, you wrote: >First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List >......................................................................... >'67 Firebird 326 Convertible which needs fully restored which seems >intact, rough estimate $2500 - 3500. The bumper looks bent near the >noise on the right side.
(back) Subject: way off firebird topic but need help From: "matt schmid" <schmidmj@hotmail.com> Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 19:03:06 I replaced my right front axle for my 1989 Toyota Corolla GTS 5 speed. = When I pull the axle out of the transaxle some of the fluid drained out. So I needed to pull the filler plug and add some more gear oil. However, The filler plug was seized up and we couldn't get it off. We tried PB, and = that didn't work, so we tried heating it up with a propane torch to try and release some of the rust and hopefully expand the metal around the plug. That didn't work. In all our efforts and annoyance we ended up rounding = the plug pretty good. I was wondering if anyone had a good idea on what the = hell I can do to get this thing off? Obviously I'm going to have to buy a new plug when I get it out, but I really don't want to run my car too much = with some of the fluid missing. What do you guys do when you have a bolt or = plug that is seized up really bad?? Matt Schmid _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
(back) Subject: Re: FirstGenFirebird Gathering Idea From: "Michael Howell" <fishgod@iglou.com> Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 14:21:59 -0500 I like this idea, it would be cool to meet... these Ohio locations would certainly be easier for me being from KY but I don't see the West Coast group making it out here. That's a heck of a trip. I'm going to try to make it to the TA Nationals anyway... and maybe the Ames event as well. = On the other hand, I probably won't make it to the POCI convention this year if it's in Minn... too far for me. Maybe we pick a different show each year to have a FirstGen get together so folks from different parts of the country can make it? Those of us here in the midwest/east definitely need = to raid the Autofest Nationals in Evansville, In. this year... that's = where I found my 'bird, and that show needs more first gen Bird representation! There were more DeLoreans than birds in 2000. It was in = October last year. Mike '68 350 Coupe At 12:54 AM 2/24/2001 -0500, you wrote: >First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List >......................................................................... >Hey Geoff, you are correct about the "exclusivity" of POCI, and I would >offer something less political than a POCI convention. Why not either >the Ames Performance Nationals at Norwalk Ohio, or the Trans Am >Nationals that were in Dayton Ohio last time I checked. The Ames event >used to be "Tri-Power Sunday" and has grown quickly as an alternative to >the politicking that has existed for many years in both POCI and GTOAA. >While those events are somewhat more settled in location, and therefore >maybe less accessible to some, I've heard that the "big boys" around >Pontiac circles enjoy the more relaxed atmosphere at such events. This >group should too. > >Just my two cents, Glenn aka birdman, EX-POCI member and tech advisor
(back) Subject: Re: bird pics on the web! From: "Brian Sargent" <bjsbird1@yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 11:24:39 -0800 (PST) Matt, Figuring that a "nice" convert is worth $10,000-$12,000, there is probably $5000 of restore work in body panels, interior, engine / tranny seals, brake system fluids, etc. I'd say $4000, but worth doing. Brian 69 conv. --- matt schmid <schmidmj@hotmail.com> wrote: > First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List > .......................................................................... > Ok folks, the pictures are on the web at > www.photopoint.com, just go to > visit albums and type my email > address...schmidmj@hotmail.com...and the > pictures will be under the 67 firebird folder. > > Here is what the fellow has told me about the > car..... > > The car is blue with a white conv. top. It had > slight damage in the rear > but no frame damage. Both quarters had a little > damage and a small amount > of rust. So he has brand new quarters for both sides > as well as tail lights > and rear panel skin. The floor pans are in great > shape, no rust. The top had > some holes in it when he bought it, so it will need > a new top. The 326 runs > great, supposedly, and has matching numbers, and has > a 4bbl carb. The > breather and valve covers are chrome. The gas tank > is out of the car and is > rusty. The interior is out, seats carpet, console > and door panels, it will > probably need a dress up kit to look nice, the door > panels are out so he > could lube the window arm joints. The wheels are > regular and came with PMD > hubcaps. The car has been sitting in a building for > the last two years and > the last time it was started was 1.5 years ago. > That would be all I know about her...I'll be happy > for any feedback and > what you guys think. I don't know if the pictures > and this info is enough > for you to give an estimate, but a ballpark number > of what might be expected > would help. Thanks a lot everyone, I'm really > looking forward to hear what > you have to say. > > Matt Schmid - wannabe bird owner > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/
(back) Subject: Re: Stir up a new question From: "Brian Sargent" <bjsbird1@yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 11:27:20 -0800 (PST) I've always felt that the nose of a 69 looked like a bird coming at you. Alright a bird with 4 eyes. Brian --- Chris Porter <fxstsb@pop.sttl.uswest.net> wrote: > First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List > .......................................................................... > I was out in the garage the other day, admiring > the lines > of our cars. > I kept looking at the taillight's. Those taillight's > are my > favorite part of this car. Which made me wonder, if > you had > to pick one specific part of you Firebird as you > favorite. > What would it be ? Just thought this would stir up > some > interesting view point's. > > > Chris > `68 350 H.O. Drop-top > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/
(back) Subject: 67 Subframe From: "Charlie & Rose Huntington" <badgoat@gwi.net> Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 14:41:32 -0500 I know that the 67 and 68 subframes are different. Can someone tell me something I can measure to tell which year I have. My wife's bird had a = 68 nose on it when we got it and I wonder if the subframe was changed as = well. I have a beautiful 68 subframe all blasted and painted but I'd really like to get the correct one. Anyone have a nice 67 subframe they want to sell? also need the traction bar plate that goes under the rear seat on the drivers side. Check out the restoration http://www.badgoat.net I'll (finally) be adding some new pics today or tomorrow.
(back) Subject: RE: TH 350 From: "Slobird" <marcts@ga.prestige.net> Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 14:43:54 -0500 It holds alot 6 or 7 at least if you take out the filter tim
(back) Subject: Re: way off firebird topic but need help From: "Michael Howell" <fishgod@iglou.com> Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 15:27:40 -0500 Hardware stores (and even Wal-mart) carry kits for removing stuck/stripped = bolts.... if you can find a large enough one, try that. You basically drill a small hole and then reverse thread a bit into it. That gives you something to grip on to turn the bolt. Be sure to get a good T-handle for = it so you can get some leverage on that thing. You might also try some punches and whack it a few times with a hammer to loosen it up. I've = dealt with this a lot on this '69 Harley a friend owns, not always successful. >I replaced my right front axle for my 1989 Toyota Corolla GTS 5 speed. >When I pull the axle out of the transaxle some of the fluid drained out. >So I needed to pull the filler plug and add some more gear oil. However, >The filler plug was seized up and we couldn't get it off. We tried PB, = and >that didn't work, so we tried heating it up with a propane torch to try >and release some of the rust and hopefully expand the metal around the >plug. That didn't work. In all our efforts and annoyance we ended up >rounding the plug pretty good. I was wondering if anyone had a good idea >on what the hell I can do to get this thing off? Obviously I'm going to >have to buy a new plug when I get it out, but I really don't want to run >my car too much with some of the fluid missing. What do you guys do when >you have a bolt or plug that is seized up really bad?? >Matt Schmid > >
(back) Subject: Steering Column Wiring Harness From: "ROY D LUMSDEN" <rlumsden@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 16:54:39 -0500 Has anyone figured out the wiring harness? I bought a wiring diagram but = it doesn't list what the wires do or where they go. I need to know what each wire is. The colors are as follows: Black .............................to Horn Black w/ Blue stripe.........? Dark Blue........................? Brown.............................? Purple...............................? Black w/ Yellow stripe......? Green...............................? Black w/ White stripe........? Any help is appreciated, Roy
(back) Subject: Re: Parchment color From: "ROY D LUMSDEN" <rlumsden@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 17:02:19 -0500 See, I told you I would get some arguments ;-) . Glenn, I would love to see a 68 parchment and compare it to my 69. Mine = even shows the pearl effect on the sides of the rear seat. The part that jammed against the rear (door?) panel and was never exposed to much sunlight. It may be a effect of aging from the type of clear/color used back then. All = I know is it's a pearl color now and looks nothing like the parchment I got from Classic. Mine looks like white pearl, Classics looks like cream (yuck!)...almost light yellow. Roy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glenn Uettwiller" <birdman@gdi.net> To: "First Generation Firebird-L" <Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com> Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2001 12:46 AM Subject: Re: Parchment color > First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List > = ......................................................................... > Hey Roy, Gary Patrick and I compared the 68 and 69 Parchment colors a > few years ago. They are somewhat different; the 68 seems more pearlish > than the 69. With age, they both might yellow somewhat as well. Of > course, the hard plastic parts such as seatbacks, hinge arm covers and > kick panels of EVERY color except black seem to get a scaly texture with > age. The Parchment is the worst at this, except maybe the 69 Camaro > white - I've had some Camaro seats that the hard plastic was very > crumbly. > > Actually, I've noticed some pearl effect on the original green seats > that were in my 69 OHC6 coupe in certain lighting. > > Glenn aka birdman > > > ROY D LUMSDEN wrote: > > > I did my 69 coupe in standard parchment. That was the factory color. I > > bought the covers from Classic and the color was more of a cream = color. I > > used them anyway. I took the seat covers to the paint shop and had = them > > match it with some interior dye. I used it to dye the black door = panels that > > were on the car when I bought it. If anyone is interested, I can = e-mail you > > a couple of shots of the completed interior. Just drop me note. > > > > I still have the original deluxe seats that were in my 69 convertible. The > > color was more white and had a pearl clear. I will get a lot of = argument > > about the pearl because they supposedly stopped making that color in = 68 but > > my 69 seats don't lie. If I go back together with parchment I will use the > > 68 color with the pearl. I just think it looks better. > > > > Roy > > >