First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List Re: Steering Column Wiring Harness (CORRECTED) by "ROY D LUMSDEN" <rlumsden@tampabay.rr.com> Parchment vs Parchment by "Gary Patrick" <Gary@tcworks.net> Re: Stir up a new question by <hugoba@apcom.com> Re: way off firebird topic but need help by "Stu Langer" <stumann@inlink.com> Engine install. by "Bob Trimpe" <trimpe@fuse.net> Re: FirstGenFirebird Gathering Idea by "Bob Trimpe" <trimpe@fuse.net> Air in brake lines. by <jupoa@cyberpass.net> Re: 67 Subframe by <jupoa@cyberpass.net> Re: Engine install. by "Michael Howell" <fishgod@iglou.com> Re: Air in brake lines. by "Michael Howell" <fishgod@iglou.com> Re: Engine install. by "John Wern" <jwern@charter.net> Re: 67 Subframe by <jupoa@cyberpass.net> Re: way off firebird topic but need help by "Steve" <poncho68sa@hotmail.com> Re: Engine install. by "x1r1 x" <x1r1@hotmail.com> Re: bird pics on the web! by "Steve" <poncho68sa@hotmail.com> Re:stir up a new question by "lws" <lws@nextek.net> Re: 67 Subframe by <hugoba@apcom.com> Article on Octane and Horsepower by "Curt Doggett" <ccdogget@ida.net>
(back) Subject: Re: Steering Column Wiring Harness (CORRECTED) From: "ROY D LUMSDEN" <rlumsden@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 18:08:21 -0500 Oh, yea. It's a 68. Sorry, Roy ----- Original Message ----- From: "ROY D LUMSDEN" <rlumsden@tampabay.rr.com> To: "First Generation Firebird-L" <Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com> Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2001 4:54 PM Subject: Steering Column Wiring Harness > First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List > = ......................................................................... > Has anyone figured out the wiring harness? I bought a wiring diagram but it > doesn't list what the wires do or where they go. I need to know what = each > wire is. The colors are as follows: > > Black .............................to Horn > Black w/ Blue stripe.........? > Dark Blue........................? > Brown.............................? > Purple...............................? > Black w/ Yellow stripe......? > Green...............................? > Black w/ White stripe........? > > Any help is appreciated, > Roy > > > >
(back) Subject: Parchment vs Parchment From: "Gary Patrick" <Gary@tcworks.net> Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 19:31:03 -0500 Subject: Re: Parchment color From: "ROY D LUMSDEN" <rlumsden@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 17:02:19 -0500 See, I told you I would get some arguments ;-) . Glenn, I would love to see a 68 parchment and compare it to my 69. Mine = even shows the pearl effect on the sides of the rear seat. The part that jammed against the rear (door?) panel and was never exposed to much sunlight. It may be a effect of aging from the type of clear/color used back then. All = I know is it's a pearl color now and looks nothing like the parchment I got from Classic. Mine looks like white pearl, Classics looks like cream (yuck!)...almost light yellow. Roy Roy, I have the parchment pieces here. You are welcome to compare. There is indeed ,as Glenn already pointed out, a difference. The 69 is a one part paint(or dye as some of you have chose to call it). The 68 is more of a pearlescent, which I like more myself.There are 2 different formulas for the base coat so its not a matter of just adding the pearlescent clear coat to the 68.Actually Ive sprayed several different interior Pontiac colors and alot of them have a pearlescent sheen to them.However 68 is the only year it is called Pearlescent parchment. If the interior doesnt match then see if you can send it back and tell them what you think of it.In the future I would take most suppliers = advise and request a small sample of the material BEFORE you order. Gary
(back) Subject: Re: Stir up a new question From: <hugoba@apcom.com> Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 17:27:20 -0800 (PST) I like the 400 hood the best. Specially with a hood tach. Hugo > From Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com Sat Feb 24 10:11:22 2001 > Delivered-To: fixup-Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com@fixme > Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 09:31:35 -0800 > From: Chris Porter <fxstsb@pop.sttl.uswest.net> > X-Accept-Language: en > MIME-Version: 1.0 > To: First Generation Firebird-L <Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com> > Subject: Stir up a new question > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List > = ......................................................................... > I was out in the garage the other day, admiring the lines > of our cars. > I kept looking at the taillight's. Those taillight's are my > favorite part of this car. Which made me wonder, if you had > to pick one specific part of you Firebird as you favorite. > What would it be ? Just thought this would stir up some > interesting view point's. > > > Chris > `68 350 H.O. Drop-top >
(back) Subject: Re: way off firebird topic but need help From: "Stu Langer" <stumann@inlink.com> Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 19:31:05 -0600 Perhaps you could jack up the right side of the car to tip it as much as possible, take the axle back out, and pour in some fluid through to hole where the axle goes? Do you have a rough idea how much you lost? Close = is good enough with a stick shift. The fluid is merely for lubrication. It has nothing to do with the way the transmission works; there are no hydraulics involved as with an automatic. Stumann >......................................................................... >I replaced my right front axle for my 1989 Toyota Corolla GTS 5 speed. = When >I pull the axle out of the transaxle some of the fluid drained out. So I >needed to pull the filler plug and add some more gear oil. However, The >filler plug was seized up and we couldn't get it off. We tried PB, and = that >didn't work, so we tried heating it up with a propane torch to try and >release some of the rust and hopefully expand the metal around the plug. >That didn't work. In all our efforts and annoyance we ended up rounding = the >plug pretty good. I was wondering if anyone had a good idea on what the hell >I can do to get this thing off? Obviously I'm going to have to buy a new >plug when I get it out, but I really don't want to run my car too much = with >some of the fluid missing. What do you guys do when you have a bolt or = plug >that is seized up really bad?? >Matt Schmid > >_________________________________________________________________ > >
(back) Subject: Engine install. From: "Bob Trimpe" <trimpe@fuse.net> Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 21:21:23 -0500 Listers, I put my rebuilt 350 in the bird today. My wife shot some pics while I was at it. http://albums.photopoint.com/j/View?u=3D574120&a=3D7861332&p=3D41916715 http://albums.photopoint.com/j/View?u=3D574120&a=3D7861332&p=3D41916719 http://albums.photopoint.com/j/View?u=3D574120&a=3D7861332&p=3D41916724 Please excuse the big gorilla hoggin the picture. The ones I took (of the cool part -- the engine) are polaroids and I'll have to scan them in. You can really see how great the #227 blue metallic looks! Regards, Bob Trimpe
(back) Subject: Re: FirstGenFirebird Gathering Idea From: "Bob Trimpe" <trimpe@fuse.net> Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 21:30:50 -0500 I like the the idea of the TA nationals and the Ames Nationals. I have = already booked my car and me into the TA Nationals, and if we were going to have a = meet at Norwalk, I would certainly make the trip. Bob Trimpe Michael Howell wrote: > First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List > = ......................................................................... > I like this idea, it would be cool to meet... these Ohio locations would > certainly be easier for me being from KY but I don't see the West Coast > group making it out here. That's a heck of a trip. I'm going to try = to > make it to the TA Nationals anyway... and maybe the Ames event as well. = On > the other hand, I probably won't make it to the POCI convention this = year > if it's in Minn... too far for me. Maybe we pick a different show each > year to have a FirstGen get together so folks from different parts of = the > country can make it? Those of us here in the midwest/east definitely = need > to raid the Autofest Nationals in Evansville, In. this year... that's = where > I found my 'bird, and that show needs more first gen Bird > representation! There were more DeLoreans than birds in 2000. It was = in > October last year. > > Mike > '68 350 Coupe > > At 12:54 AM 2/24/2001 -0500, you wrote: > >First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List > = >......................................................................... > >Hey Geoff, you are correct about the "exclusivity" of POCI, and I would > >offer something less political than a POCI convention. Why not either > >the Ames Performance Nationals at Norwalk Ohio, or the Trans Am > >Nationals that were in Dayton Ohio last time I checked. The Ames event > >used to be "Tri-Power Sunday" and has grown quickly as an alternative = to > >the politicking that has existed for many years in both POCI and GTOAA. > >While those events are somewhat more settled in location, and therefore > >maybe less accessible to some, I've heard that the "big boys" around > >Pontiac circles enjoy the more relaxed atmosphere at such events. This > >group should too. > > > >Just my two cents, Glenn aka birdman, EX-POCI member and tech advisor > >
(back) Subject: Air in brake lines. From: <jupoa@cyberpass.net> Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 18:56:56 -0800 This is off topic but I suppose the same could happen to my 67 = Firebird coupe as to my 67 MGB GT. My bird is currently my daily driver but, in preparation to due a major rebuild of it, I'm getting my MG out of storage = to replace it as a daily driver. Everything is OK with the MG except a = recurring problem with what seems to be air in the manual brake system (no power = assist). The brake petal depresses about 3" on the first try but only about 1" = on a second pump soon after and feels firmer. Classic symptom of air in the = lines, right? Well, I just spent about couple of hours bleeding about a half cup = of brake fluid from each wheel and nothing changed. If memory serves (the = car has been on blocks for about eight years), this isn't the first time I've done = this with no success. The brakes are stock dual piston calipers in the front and drums in = the rear. The master cylinder appears to be single stage but may be = after-market. The car is certainly driveable as is, but when your scooting around = town in something as small and low as a MG, you want to know all the = maneuverability you can get. Dam monster SUVs could run it over without even noticing. Glenn two 67 coupes
(back) Subject: Re: 67 Subframe From: <jupoa@cyberpass.net> Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 19:25:25 -0800 Charlie You don't need to measure anything. The easiest way to tell is the steering linkage. The 67 Firebird was the first and last year to position = the linkage behind the front wheels instead of in front. If your not in a rush, I'm replacing the subframe of my 67 bird with a custom aftermarket unit from Martz Engineering. It is in good shape and = stock except for the pitman arm which I couldn't find an OEM replacement for. Glenn 67 coupe Charlie & Rose Huntington wrote: > First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List > = ......................................................................... > I know that the 67 and 68 subframes are different. Can someone tell me > something I can measure to tell which year I have. My wife's bird had a = 68 > nose on it when we got it and I wonder if the subframe was changed as = well. > > I have a beautiful 68 subframe all blasted and painted but I'd really = like > to get the correct one. Anyone have a nice 67 subframe they want to = sell? > > also need the traction bar plate that goes under the rear seat on the > drivers side. > > Check out the restoration http://www.badgoat.net I'll (finally) be = adding > some new pics today or tomorrow. >
(back) Subject: Re: Engine install. From: "Michael Howell" <fishgod@iglou.com> Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 22:38:53 -0500 Looks great Bob.... I'm jealous of that garage!!!! I can barely fit two cars in mine good luck doing any real work in it! >I put my rebuilt 350 in the bird today. My wife shot some pics while I >was at it.
(back) Subject: Re: Air in brake lines. From: "Michael Howell" <fishgod@iglou.com> Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 22:54:48 -0500 Probably won't help, but I had a similar problem on a '66 Mustang. Turned = out there were missing parts for the self-adjuster mechanism. One little piece in each wheel was missing and caused it all. Doesn't take much.... The brake petal depresses about 3" on the first try but only about 1" = on a >second pump soon after and feels firmer. Classic symptom of air in the = lines, >right? Well, I just spent about couple of hours bleeding about a half = cup of >brake fluid from each wheel and nothing changed. If memory serves (the >car has >been on blocks for about eight years), this isn't the first time I've = done >this >with no success.
(back) Subject: Re: Engine install. From: "John Wern" <jwern@charter.net> Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 23:20:19 -0500 Well Well Well , Lookin good. Bob, nice paint on that there engine.#227 aint that bad. Damn it feels good dont it. Congrats. - it makes us all proud.; But dont tease us - When ya gonnna turn it over and one more question -- Is it a she or a he? Talk to us now - 'comon talk to us. = John. -----Original Message----- From: Bob Trimpe <trimpe@fuse.net> To: First Generation Firebird-L <Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com> Date: Saturday, February 24, 2001 10:27 PM Subject: Engine install. >First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List >......................................................................... >Listers, > >I put my rebuilt 350 in the bird today. My wife shot some pics while I >was at it. > > > >http://albums.photopoint.com/j/View?u=3D574120&a=3D7861332&p=3D41916715 > >http://albums.photopoint.com/j/View?u=3D574120&a=3D7861332&p=3D41916719 > >http://albums.photopoint.com/j/View?u=3D574120&a=3D7861332&p=3D41916724 > >Please excuse the big gorilla hoggin the picture. The ones I took (of >the cool part -- the engine) are polaroids and I'll have to scan them >in. > >You can really see how great the #227 blue metallic looks! > >Regards, >Bob Trimpe
(back) Subject: Re: 67 Subframe From: <jupoa@cyberpass.net> Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 20:11:19 -0800 Charlie You don't need to measure anything. The easiest way to tell is the steering linkage. The 67 Firebird was the first and last year to position the linkage behind the front wheels instead of in front. If your not in a rush, I'm replacing the subframe of my 67 bird with a custom aftermarket unit from Martz Engineering. It is in good shape and stock except for the pitman arm which I couldn't find an OEM replacement for. Glenn 67 coupe Charlie & Rose Huntington wrote: > First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List > = ......................................................................... > I know that the 67 and 68 subframes are different. Can someone tell me > something I can measure to tell which year I have. My wife's bird had a = 68 > nose on it when we got it and I wonder if the subframe was changed as = well. > > I have a beautiful 68 subframe all blasted and painted but I'd really = like > to get the correct one. Anyone have a nice 67 subframe they want to = sell? > > also need the traction bar plate that goes under the rear seat on the > drivers side. > > Check out the restoration http://www.badgoat.net I'll (finally) be = adding > some new pics today or tomorrow. >
(back) Subject: Re: way off firebird topic but need help From: "Steve" <poncho68sa@hotmail.com> Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 00:22:55 -0500 pipe wrench or drill Thanks- Steve.... poncho68sa@hotmail.com 68 Firebird Restoration http://lightning.locl.net/homes/sapple/index.html Pontiac Firebird Links http://communities.msn.com/PontiacFirebirdLinks/home.htm '68 Firebird Photos http://communities.msn.com/68FirebirdRestoration/home.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: matt schmid <schmidmj@hotmail.com> To: <Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com> Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2001 7:03 PM Subject: way off firebird topic but need help > First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List > = ......................................................................... > I replaced my right front axle for my 1989 Toyota Corolla GTS 5 speed. When > I pull the axle out of the transaxle some of the fluid drained out. So I > needed to pull the filler plug and add some more gear oil. However, The > filler plug was seized up and we couldn't get it off. We tried PB, and that > didn't work, so we tried heating it up with a propane torch to try and > release some of the rust and hopefully expand the metal around the plug. > That didn't work. In all our efforts and annoyance we ended up rounding the > plug pretty good. I was wondering if anyone had a good idea on what the hell > I can do to get this thing off? Obviously I'm going to have to buy a new > plug when I get it out, but I really don't want to run my car too much with > some of the fluid missing. What do you guys do when you have a bolt or plug > that is seized up really bad?? > Matt Schmid > >
(back) Subject: Re: Engine install. From: "x1r1 x" <x1r1@hotmail.com> Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 21:39:15 -0800 Yes yeS YES! where is BadassFriebird.MP3 ? I hope i have time to maike mine look that clean. Anyone tried #227 on a Chevy motor, i'm worried it might not stick. Rowan *68 (resting) >From: "John Wern" <jwern@charter.net> > >Well Well Well , Lookin good. Bob, nice paint on that there engine.#227 >aint that bad. Damn it feels good dont it. Congrats. - it makes us all >proud.; But dont tease us - When ya gonnna turn it over and one more >question -- Is it a she or a he? Talk to us now - 'comon talk to us. >John. >-----Original Message----- >From: Bob Trimpe <trimpe@fuse.net> >To: First Generation Firebird-L <Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com> >Date: Saturday, February 24, 2001 10:27 PM >Subject: Engine install. > > > >First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List > = >......................................................................... > >Listers, > > > >I put my rebuilt 350 in the bird today. My wife shot some pics while I > >was at it. > > > >http://albums.photopoint.com/j/View?u=3D574120&a=3D7861332&p=3D41916715 > > > >http://albums.photopoint.com/j/View?u=3D574120&a=3D7861332&p=3D41916719 > > > >http://albums.photopoint.com/j/View?u=3D574120&a=3D7861332&p=3D41916724 > > > >Please excuse the big gorilla hoggin the picture. The ones I took (of > >the cool part -- the engine) are polaroids and I'll have to scan them > >in. > > > >You can really see how great the #227 blue metallic looks! > > > >Regards, > >Bob Trimpe > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
(back) Subject: Re: bird pics on the web! From: "Steve" <poncho68sa@hotmail.com> Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 00:19:46 -0500 2K maybe Thanks- Steve.... poncho68sa@hotmail.com 68 Firebird Restoration http://lightning.locl.net/homes/sapple/index.html Pontiac Firebird Links http://communities.msn.com/PontiacFirebirdLinks/home.htm '68 Firebird Photos http://communities.msn.com/68FirebirdRestoration/home.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: matt schmid <schmidmj@hotmail.com> To: <Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com> Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2001 5:48 PM Subject: bird pics on the web! > First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List > = ......................................................................... > Ok folks, the pictures are on the web at www.photopoint.com, just go to > visit albums and type my email address...schmidmj@hotmail.com...and the > pictures will be under the 67 firebird folder. > > Here is what the fellow has told me about the car..... > > The car is blue with a white conv. top. It had slight damage in the = rear > but no frame damage. Both quarters had a little damage and a small amount > of rust. So he has brand new quarters for both sides as well as tail lights > and rear panel skin. The floor pans are in great shape, no rust. The top had > some holes in it when he bought it, so it will need a new top. The 326 runs > great, supposedly, and has matching numbers, and has a 4bbl carb. The > breather and valve covers are chrome. The gas tank is out of the car and is > rusty. The interior is out, seats carpet, console and door panels, it = will > probably need a dress up kit to look nice, the door panels are out so he > could lube the window arm joints. The wheels are regular and came with = PMD > hubcaps. The car has been sitting in a building for the last two years = and > the last time it was started was 1.5 years ago. > That would be all I know about her...I'll be happy for any feedback = and > what you guys think. I don't know if the pictures and this info is = enough > for you to give an estimate, but a ballpark number of what might be expected > would help. Thanks a lot everyone, I'm really looking forward to hear = what > you have to say. > > Matt Schmid - wannabe bird owner > > _________________________________________________________________ >
(back) Subject: Re:stir up a new question From: "lws" <lws@nextek.net> Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 00:57:49 -0500 The front view especially with a 400 hood does look great,but my favorite view has to be the rear/side view where you can see the powerful,flowing body lines of the rear quarter panels blending into the rear decklid area.Larry ----------------------------------------------------- Click here for Free Video!! http://www.gohip.com/free_video/
(back) Subject: Re: 67 Subframe From: <hugoba@apcom.com> Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 22:15:40 -0800 (PST) Hmmmm, My 69's have the steering linkage behind the front wheel and so does my 68 = parts car. Other than some slight differences in the pitman arm design, I don't = see too many differences in the 3 years ( now the brake calipers are a = different story). I remember when I converted my 69 convertible from drum to disk I had to = re-use the steering arms from the drum setup since the disk spindles and calipers = came from an A body which has them on the front so they had to be = converted to the rear position. Hugo > From Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com Sat Feb 24 21:36:11 2001 > From: jupoa@cyberpass.net > Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 19:25:25 -0800 > X-Accept-Language: en > MIME-Version: 1.0 > To: First Generation Firebird-L <Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com> > Subject: Re: 67 Subframe > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List > = ......................................................................... > Charlie > You don't need to measure anything. The easiest way to tell is the > steering linkage. The 67 Firebird was the first and last year to = position the > linkage behind the front wheels instead of in front. > If your not in a rush, I'm replacing the subframe of my 67 bird with = a > custom aftermarket unit from Martz Engineering. It is in good shape and = stock > except for the pitman arm which I couldn't find an OEM replacement for. > > Glenn > 67 coupe > > Charlie & Rose Huntington wrote: > > > First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List > > = ......................................................................... > > I know that the 67 and 68 subframes are different. Can someone tell = me > > something I can measure to tell which year I have. My wife's bird had = a 68 > > nose on it when we got it and I wonder if the subframe was changed as = well. > > > > I have a beautiful 68 subframe all blasted and painted but I'd really = like > > to get the correct one. Anyone have a nice 67 subframe they want to = sell? > > > > also need the traction bar plate that goes under the rear seat on the > > drivers side. > > > > Check out the restoration http://www.badgoat.net I'll (finally) be = adding > > some new pics today or tomorrow. > >
(back) Subject: Article on Octane and Horsepower From: "Curt Doggett" <ccdogget@ida.net> Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 00:45:58 -0700 I was surfing the Pontiac Webring and found this article and thought I might pass it along. It dispelled some of the voodoo magic concepts I had about octane ratings. http://www.wauknet.com/douthitt/pumpgas.htm Curt 68 350 Coupe (someday I hope to actually drive it!)