First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List RE air in brake lines by "Gary Patrick" <Gary@tcworks.net> RE blue engine paint. by "Gary Patrick" <Gary@tcworks.net> Re: 67 Subframe by "Gary Patrick" <Gary@tcworks.net> TOO MUCH STUFF by "Gary Patrick" <Gary@tcworks.net> Re: Engine install. by "Brian Sargent" <bjsbird1@yahoo.com> Re: Engine install. by "Michael Howell" <fishgod@iglou.com> Re: Engine install. by <hugoba@apcom.com> Re: 67 Subframe by <hugoba@apcom.com> Re: way off firebird topic but need help by "James" <gonz123@ibm.net> Re: Stir up a new question by "James" <gonz123@ibm.net> Re:first generation gathering by "lws" <lws@nextek.net> Re: way off firebird topic but need help by "matt schmid" <schmidmj@hotmail.com> Re: 67 Subframe by <jupoa@cyberpass.net> Re: Air in brake lines. by "x1r1 x" <x1r1@hotmail.com> Re: Stir up a new question by <Corkyandjane@aol.com> Re: TOO MUCH STUFF by "ROY D LUMSDEN" <rlumsden@tampabay.rr.com> Re: Stir up a new question by "Bob Trimpe" <trimpe@fuse.net> Re: Stir up a new question by "Joe Brown" <jb.pb@gte.net>
(back) Subject: RE air in brake lines From: "Gary Patrick" <Gary@tcworks.net> Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 08:16:34 -0500 ---------------------------------------------------------------- Glenn says Subject: Air in brake lines. From: <jupoa@cyberpass.net> Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 18:56:56 -0800 This is off topic but I suppose the same could happen to my 67 = Firebird coupe as to my 67 MGB GT. My bird is currently my daily driver but, in preparation to due a major rebuild of it, I'm getting my MG out of storage = to replace it as a daily driver. Everything is OK with the MG except a = recurring problem with what seems to be air in the manual brake system (no power = assist). The brake petal depresses about 3" on the first try but only about 1" = on a second pump soon after and feels firmer. Hey Glenn how do you like being eye level with everyone elses license = plate. Starting in 67 it was mandated that all braking systems on cars sold in = USA have a dual master cylinder. Perhaps youve got a 66 one. There is a new tool out to do stubborn hydraulic bleeding operations for = both juice clutches and brake systems. Its called a Phoenix injector made by Phoenix products in Az. It works on the principle of pushing the fluid backwards thru the bleeder at wheel cylinder or caliper . They also have a kit that will do pressure bleeding from the master = cylinder. This is different than a Mity Vac ,which only does a vacuum bleed, in that it pressurizes the fluid from a self contained reservoir instead of = using the one on the master cylinder.IF this doesnt cure ANY brake bleeding problems then nothing will. Be sure and check the seals on your dual piston calipers. They can draw = air thru a bad seal. Good luck, I helped a good friend (actually I did the work and he watched) maintain his 73 MGB that he bought new. He put 200K on it before trading it in on a new 78 TA. Happiest day of my life to see that POS go. Gary
(back) Subject: RE blue engine paint. From: "Gary Patrick" <Gary@tcworks.net> Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 08:23:40 -0500 Subject: Re: Engine install. From: "x1r1 x" <x1r1@hotmail.com> Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 21:39:15 -0800 Anyone tried #227 on a Chevy motor, i'm worried it might not stick. Rowan I did,about 30 years ago when (GULP)I had a killer 327 in my 68 bird.Loved to buzzz it to 8 grand. Gary
(back) Subject: Re: 67 Subframe From: "Gary Patrick" <Gary@tcworks.net> Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 08:26:55 -0500 I remember when I converted my 69 convertible from drum to disk I had to = re-use the steering arms from the drum setup since the disk spindles and calipers came from an A body which has them on the front so they had to be = converted to the rear position. Hugo HUGO come on.... they are reversible. If you dont want them send them my = way. Gary
(back) Subject: TOO MUCH STUFF From: "Gary Patrick" <Gary@tcworks.net> Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 09:18:22 -0500 Geoff says>> Subject: Re: Engine install. From: "Geoff Martin" <Geoff@firstgenfirebird.org> Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 07:08:33 -0500 I might complain about our house taking precidence but I was sold on the house because of the garages. We have a small two car garage and a large 4 car garage which I could probably fit 6 in it. I don't think I even saw the house when I said I would buy it. They use to repair Model T's in the large garage (house is over 100 years old). Had the luxury to talking to the second owner. We are the fifth owner. Geoff Geoff I feel your pain. I built a very large garage(1500sq ft with loft) = attached to my 2 car garage. Still cant hardly move around in it but at least all the good cars are under roof. Junk accumulated is proportional to space allocated. Now if I just had a lift like Hugo. Gary
(back) Subject: Re: Engine install. From: "Brian Sargent" <bjsbird1@yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 06:32:31 -0800 (PST) It looks great! Nice job Bob! Brian 69 conv. --- Bob Trimpe <trimpe@fuse.net> wrote: > First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List > .......................................................................... > Listers, > > I put my rebuilt 350 in the bird today. My wife shot > some pics while I > was at it. > > > > http://albums.photopoint.com/j/View?u=3D574120&a=3D7861332&p=3D41916715 > > http://albums.photopoint.com/j/View?u=3D574120&a=3D7861332&p=3D41916719 > > http://albums.photopoint.com/j/View?u=3D574120&a=3D7861332&p=3D41916724 > > Please excuse the big gorilla hoggin the picture. > The ones I took (of > the cool part -- the engine) are polaroids and I'll > have to scan them > in. > > You can really see how great the #227 blue metallic > looks! > > Regards, > Bob Trimpe > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/
(back) Subject: Re: Engine install. From: "Michael Howell" <fishgod@iglou.com> Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 10:48:10 -0500 I'm drooling Geoff..... I want your garages!! My next house WILL have multiple garages...or at least room for them. Thats a requirement! My garage here is so small I couldn't walk around my '63 Grand Prix with the door down. Moron builders could have easily extended it up to the front = of the house, but NOOOO it has to be sunk back and cut too short. Mike 68 350 Coupe At 07:08 AM 2/25/2001 -0500, you wrote: >First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List >......................................................................... >I might complain about our house taking precidence but I was sold on the >house because of the garages. We have a small two car garage and a large >4 car garage which I could probably fit 6 in it. I don't think I even >saw the house when I said I would buy it. They use to repair Model T's >in the large garage (house is over 100 years old). Had the luxury to >talking to the second owner. We are the fifth owner.
(back) Subject: Re: Engine install. From: <hugoba@apcom.com> Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 08:54:57 -0800 (PST) Geoff, It's all fixed now so you're welcome to come out and try it out any time. All it took was a little wake up call to get me to fix it ;-) Hugo > From Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com Sun Feb 25 04:24:42 2001 > Subject: Re: Engine install. > Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 06:59:08 -0500 > From: Geoff Martin <Geoff@firstgenfirebird.org> > To: "First Generation Firebird-L" <Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com> > Mime-Version: 1.0 > > First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List > = ......................................................................... > Bob, > > Looks NICE. Now I really want to run out and start tearing out my 350 > to get the project rolling. Still can not convince my wife how = important > it is to get the Firebird back on the road when she needs a new car and > some work needs to be done on the house. > > If it took some of you 15 years to get your Firebirds back on the road, > the three I have been waiting is not bad. Will have to convince one of > you to let me drive your Bird around the block this summer but just not > Hugo's...... want to go away with some clean shorts ;-) Actually, if = the > throttle sticks on a nice straight shot and no traffic, it could be fun > but not on an on-ramp in California! > > Geoff > '68 Mayfair Maize Firebird 350 Convertible ("soon" to be 400) > <http://FirstGenFirebird.org/show/closeup.mv?CarID=3D46> > <Geoff@FirstGenFirebird.org> > > >I put my rebuilt 350 in the bird today. My wife shot some pics while I > >was at it. > > > > > > > >http://albums.photopoint.com/j/View?u=3D574120&a=3D7861332&p=3D41916715 > > > >http://albums.photopoint.com/j/View?u=3D574120&a=3D7861332&p=3D41916719 > > > >http://albums.photopoint.com/j/View?u=3D574120&a=3D7861332&p=3D41916724 >
(back) Subject: Re: 67 Subframe From: <hugoba@apcom.com> Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 09:01:03 -0800 (PST) Gary, Yes they are reversible (swap them from end to end) but when you do = reverse them then they interfere with the calipers. I just re-used the steering arms from the drum setup and that worked fine. Hugo > From Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com Sun Feb 25 06:37:03 2001 > X-Sender: gary@mail.tcworks.net > Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 08:26:55 -0500 > To: firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com > From: Gary Patrick <Gary@tcworks.net> > Subject: Re: 67 Subframe > Mime-Version: 1.0 > > First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List > = ......................................................................... > > I remember when I converted my 69 convertible from drum to disk I had to = re-use > the steering arms from the drum setup since the disk spindles and = calipers > came from an A body which has them on the front so they had to be = converted to > the rear position. > > Hugo > > > HUGO come on.... they are reversible. If you dont want them send them = my way. > Gary
(back) Subject: Re: way off firebird topic but need help From: "James" <gonz123@ibm.net> Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 12:06:52 -0500 Im assuming you tried vice grips. another option might be to get,if you dont have,a nut splitter -not really to split the nut,or bolt head as the case may be, but to get a good grip on the nut then you can whack the splitter with say a ball peen hammer or something of that nature and spin it off. If your using PB your on the right track. That stuff is far and away the best penetrate I've ever used. James Michael Howell wrote: > First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List > = .......................................................................... > Hardware stores (and even Wal-mart) carry kits for removing = stuck/stripped > bolts.... if you can find a large enough one, try that. You basically > drill a small hole and then reverse thread a bit into it. That gives = you > something to grip on to turn the bolt. Be sure to get a good T-handle = for > it so you can get some leverage on that thing. You might also try some > punches and whack it a few times with a hammer to loosen it up. I've = dealt > with this a lot on this '69 Harley a friend owns, not always successful. > > >I replaced my right front axle for my 1989 Toyota Corolla GTS 5 speed. > >When I pull the axle out of the transaxle some of the fluid drained = out. > >So I needed to pull the filler plug and add some more gear oil. = However, > >The filler plug was seized up and we couldn't get it off. We tried PB, = and > >that didn't work, so we tried heating it up with a propane torch to try > >and release some of the rust and hopefully expand the metal around the > >plug. That didn't work. In all our efforts and annoyance we ended up > >rounding the plug pretty good. I was wondering if anyone had a good = idea > >on what the hell I can do to get this thing off? Obviously I'm going to > >have to buy a new plug when I get it out, but I really don't want to = run > >my car too much with some of the fluid missing. What do you guys do = when > >you have a bolt or plug that is seized up really bad?? > >Matt Schmid > > > >
(back) Subject: Re: Stir up a new question From: "James" <gonz123@ibm.net> Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 12:07:30 -0500 Tough to give a single answer but I think my bird looks the finest in profile - especially at dusk on a hot summer evening with the running lights on so i'd have to say the contour lines ,particularly the flair of the rear wheel well , to be the most visually appealing.(67/68 anyways) 400 hood w/ tach,which without a doubt can turn an already mean looking machine into a monster,runs a close 2nd. James hugoba@apcom.com wrote: > First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List > = .......................................................................... > I like the 400 hood the best. Specially with a hood tach. > > Hugo > > > From Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com Sat Feb 24 10:11:22 2001 > > Delivered-To: fixup-Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com@fixme > > Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 09:31:35 -0800 > > From: Chris Porter <fxstsb@pop.sttl.uswest.net> > > X-Accept-Language: en > > MIME-Version: 1.0 > > To: First Generation Firebird-L <Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com> > > Subject: Stir up a new question > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > > > First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List > > = ......................................................................... > > I was out in the garage the other day, admiring the lines > > of our cars. > > I kept looking at the taillight's. Those taillight's are my > > favorite part of this car. Which made me wonder, if you had > > to pick one specific part of you Firebird as you favorite. > > What would it be ? Just thought this would stir up some > > interesting view point's. > > > > > > Chris > > `68 350 H.O. Drop-top > > >8>
(back) Subject: Re:first generation gathering From: "lws" <lws@nextek.net> Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 12:19:47 -0500 I live in Ohio and will be at both events,would look forward to meeting other listers and seeing more first generations in person.Larry ----------------------------------------------------- Click here for Free Video!! http://www.gohip.com/free_video/
(back) Subject: Re: way off firebird topic but need help From: "matt schmid" <schmidmj@hotmail.com> Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 19:01:16 Aha!!!! I don't know why I didn't think of that. A nut splitter is exactly = what I need. Thank you. Some times you just need to be reminded of resources. Thanks everyone for the help. If this doesn't work, I'm just going to have to make myself a new fill hole and plug. Hahahaha. Just kiddin... Matt >From: James <gonz123@ibm.net> >Reply-To: "First Generation Firebird-L" = <Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com> >To: First Generation Firebird-L <Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com> >Subject: Re: way off firebird topic but need help >Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 12:06:52 -0500 > >First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List >......................................................................... >Im assuming you tried vice grips. >another option might be to get,if you dont have,a nut splitter -not >really to >split the nut,or bolt head as the case may be, but to get a good grip on >the >nut then you can whack the splitter with say a ball peen hammer or >something of >that nature and spin it off. >If your using PB your on the right track. >That stuff is far and away the best penetrate I've ever used. > >James > >Michael Howell wrote: > > > First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List > > >..........................................................................= > > Hardware stores (and even Wal-mart) carry kits for removing >stuck/stripped > > bolts.... if you can find a large enough one, try that. You basically > > drill a small hole and then reverse thread a bit into it. That gives >you > > something to grip on to turn the bolt. Be sure to get a good T-handle = >for > > it so you can get some leverage on that thing. You might also try = some > > punches and whack it a few times with a hammer to loosen it up. I've >dealt > > with this a lot on this '69 Harley a friend owns, not always = successful. > > > > >I replaced my right front axle for my 1989 Toyota Corolla GTS 5 = speed. > > >When I pull the axle out of the transaxle some of the fluid drained >out. > > >So I needed to pull the filler plug and add some more gear oil. >However, > > >The filler plug was seized up and we couldn't get it off. We tried = PB, >and > > >that didn't work, so we tried heating it up with a propane torch to = try > > >and release some of the rust and hopefully expand the metal around = the > > >plug. That didn't work. In all our efforts and annoyance we ended up > > >rounding the plug pretty good. I was wondering if anyone had a good >idea > > >on what the hell I can do to get this thing off? Obviously I'm going = to > > >have to buy a new plug when I get it out, but I really don't want to >run > > >my car too much with some of the fluid missing. What do you guys do >when > > >you have a bolt or plug that is seized up really bad?? > > >Matt Schmid > > > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
(back) Subject: Re: 67 Subframe From: <jupoa@cyberpass.net> Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 13:08:22 -0800 Charlie My apologies. Forget what I said about about 67 steering linkage. It = was a dumb remark based on a year ago conversation I had with someone from Year = One about why they didn't send me the correct pitman arm. I promise not to = post any more info without double checking. I will, however, have a 67 subframe available soon complete with = spindles, rotors, calipers and steering gear. The pitman arm, I regret, is not the original shape but it seems to work OK. Glenn 67 coupe jupoa@cyberpass.net wrote: > First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List > = ......................................................................... > Charlie > You don't need to measure anything. The easiest way to tell is the > steering linkage. The 67 Firebird was the first and last year to > position the > linkage behind the front wheels instead of in front. > If your not in a rush, I'm replacing the subframe of my 67 bird with > a > custom aftermarket unit from Martz Engineering. It is in good shape and > stock > except for the pitman arm which I couldn't find an OEM replacement for. > > Glenn > 67 coupe >
(back) Subject: Re: Air in brake lines. From: "x1r1 x" <x1r1@hotmail.com> Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 20:32:24 -0800 Classic Brit problem Glenn. Afer 30 years, the master cylender is starting to fail. All english vehicles from that eral will have a handy space within reach of the driver for storing a bottle or two of brake = fluid. Usualy some will drip down on your shoe as you drive to let you know = there is a problem. I have done much work on my friends '59 Austin Healy Bugeye Sprite w/ = EFI 5.0 HO, 3speed auto, Datsun 240Z IRS. The stock MGB front manual discs = stop it very well, but after repeated hydraulic problems, we retroftted a Japanese Master cylender. I forget which kind, and he is out of town for the week. After that long in storage, I would seriously consider replacing all = rubber components in the brake system. At the very least, carefuly inspect the hoses for cracks/leakage, and check the brake cylenders for any sign of leaks too. http://www.victoriabritish.com/ part #7-507 $90 for single line master cylender, their catalog is also an excelent pictorial service aid, showing = almost every component as an exploded view. A local swap meet or junkyard will likely get you a better price on a = rather old part. Have you checked out my brother's Triumph conversion www.cruzers.com/~rfm/car ? Feel free to mail me off the list to continue this discussion, I wouldn't want to get busted for going to off topic as our birds are down(mine sits = in the driveway eagerly waiting for me to go out in the rain and install another engine >0< ). In the meantime, Ill be rolling my SUVhunter 68 Chevy 1 ton 4x4 (squashes samurai like the rats they are) Rowan >From: jupoa@cyberpass.net > > This is off topic but I suppose the same could happen to my 67 >Firebird >coupe as to my 67 MGB GT. My bird is currently my daily driver but, in >preparation to due a major rebuild of it, I'm getting my MG out of = storage >to >replace it as a daily driver. Everything is OK with the MG except a >recurring >problem with what seems to be air in the manual brake system (no power >assist). > The brake petal depresses about 3" on the first try but only about = 1" >on a >second pump soon after and feels firmer. Classic symptom of air in the >lines, >right? Well, I just spent about couple of hours bleeding about a half = cup >of >brake fluid from each wheel and nothing changed. If memory serves (the = car >has >been on blocks for about eight years), this isn't the first time I've = done >this >with no success. > The brakes are stock dual piston calipers in the front and drums in >the >rear. The master cylinder appears to be single stage but may be >after-market. > The car is certainly driveable as is, but when your scooting around >town in >something as small and low as a MG, you want to know all the >maneuverability you >can get. Dam monster SUVs could run it over without even noticing. > >Glenn >two 67 coupes _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
(back) Subject: Re: Stir up a new question From: <Corkyandjane@aol.com> Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 19:04:25 EST The '67 & '68 front on (level with the car) is an awesome view. I = have mine as my wallpaper. Cork 68 - 350 - Plain Jane
(back) Subject: Re: TOO MUCH STUFF From: "ROY D LUMSDEN" <rlumsden@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 19:17:25 -0500 AMEN! My garage is 1400 sq-ft with 500 sq-ft loft and I'm adding another 16x24 addition to the back. It still won't fit all the junk I have at my folks and friends house. Funny... I didn't have this problem with my 12x20 car-port at my last house! ;-) Roy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Patrick" <Gary@tcworks.net> To: <firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com> Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2001 9:18 AM Subject: TOO MUCH STUFF > First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List > = ......................................................................... > Geoff says>> > Subject: Re: Engine install. > From: "Geoff Martin" <Geoff@firstgenfirebird.org> > Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 07:08:33 -0500 > > I might complain about our house taking precidence but I was sold on the > house because of the garages. We have a small two car garage and a = large > 4 car garage which I could probably fit 6 in it. I don't think I even > saw the house when I said I would buy it. They use to repair Model T's > in the large garage (house is over 100 years old). Had the luxury to > talking to the second owner. We are the fifth owner. > > Geoff > > Geoff I feel your pain. I built a very large garage(1500sq ft with = loft) > attached > to my 2 car garage. Still cant hardly move around in it but at least all > the good cars > are under roof. > Junk accumulated is proportional to space allocated. Now if I just had a > lift like Hugo. > Gary > > >
(back) Subject: Re: Stir up a new question From: "Bob Trimpe" <trimpe@fuse.net> Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 21:51:31 -0500 I gotta go with hood tach....and the rear quarter louvers. Bob Trimpe Corkyandjane@aol.com wrote: > First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List > = ......................................................................... > The '67 & '68 front on (level with the car) is an awesome view. I = have > mine as my wallpaper. > > Cork > 68 - 350 - Plain Jane >
(back) Subject: Re: Stir up a new question From: "Joe Brown" <jb.pb@gte.net> Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 21:59:24 -0800 The best view is from behind looking down the side while idling or looking down the hood while driving and finally the front looking down the side . Joe