First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List Re: 67 Front Right Turn Signal needed by "Eddie Pettit" <eddie@thepettitfamily.org> Engine Install by "Keith Donmoyer" <kadonny@hotmail.com> Re: intake and carb question by "Michael Howell" <fishgod@iglou.com> Intro and link to parts by "Keith Donmoyer" <kadonny@hotmail.com> Re: Air in brake lines. by "larry diede" <ldiede@bangkok.com> Re: intake and carb question by "John Wern" <jwern@charter.net> Favorite part of the Firebird by "Brett Luikkonen" <brett@cisdirect.com> Subject: Engine install. by "Brett Luikkonen" <brett@cisdirect.com> Re: intake and carb question by "AL ROJAS" <amr@appsig.com> Re: way off firebird topic but need help by "Kevin Young" <kyoung@sagelink.net> Windshield wiper motor/linkage by "Mark Wurtzel" <mwurtzel@flash.net> Re: Steering Column Wiring Harness (CORRECTED) by "ROY D LUMSDEN" <rlumsden@tampabay.rr.com> RE: way off firebird topic but need help by "Mark Wurtzel" <mwurtzel@flash.net> Re: way off firebird topic but need help by "Michael Howell" <fishgod@iglou.com> RE: intake and carb question by "Trimpe, Bob" <TrimpeB@rajones.com> Re: Steering Column Wiring Harness (CORRECTED) by "Frank Zeller" <fzeller@tri-austin.com> RE: way off firebird topic but need help by "Michael Howell" <fishgod@iglou.com> RE: Windshield wiper motor/linkage by "Trimpe, Bob" <TrimpeB@rajones.com> Re: way off firebird topic but need help by "Frank Zeller" <fzeller@tri-austin.com> Re: FirstGenFirebird Gathering Idea by "Michael Howell" <fishgod@iglou.com>
(back) Subject: Re: 67 Front Right Turn Signal needed From: "Eddie Pettit" <eddie@thepettitfamily.org> Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 08:40:45 -0500 Bah, the topic should state, "RIGHT". It did before the first message was bounced... Thanks. ----- Original Message ----- From: Eddie Pettit To: First Generation Firebird-L Sent: Monday, February 26, 2001 1:45 AM Subject: 67 Front Turn Signal First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List .......................................................................... Anyone have one they'd be willing to part with?
(back) Subject: Engine Install From: "Keith Donmoyer" <kadonny@hotmail.com> Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 08:55:52 -0500 Bob, looks great! Is your car a driver?? If it is, take many pictures = now because the engine will never look better! Oh well, the cost of enjoying = a classic driver rather than a trailer queen. Keith 68 H.O. (Driver) Subject: Engine install. From: "Bob Trimpe" <trimpe@fuse.net> Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 21:21:23 -0500 Listers, I put my rebuilt 350 in the bird today. My wife shot some pics while I was at it. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
(back) Subject: Re: intake and carb question From: "Michael Howell" <fishgod@iglou.com> Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 09:02:42 -0500 Tony - I'm pretty pleased with the Edelbrock Performer pontiac intake = and carb combination on mine. I also have a 350 that was originally a 2bbl = and it does great now with a 4bbl and more open exhaust. I'm not looking to blow someone away at the track, just to have fun running around town and = at shows. My next project is going to be adding an electric fuel pump to get = rid of some cold start delays. Mike '68 350 Coupe http://fishgod.home.dhs.org/firebird/firebird.html >......................................................................... >Ive got a 69 with 350 2 barrel carb. Wanting to go to 4 barrel. Any = advise >on what intake and carb to go with would be appriciated. Also if anyone = has >these parts in very good condition let me know what you would want for = them.
(back) Subject: Intro and link to parts From: "Keith Donmoyer" <kadonny@hotmail.com> Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 09:04:30 -0500 Justin, Where in PA are you located? There are a couple of us PA'ers here on the list. I am Phila area. Keith 68 H.O. Subject: Intro and link to parts. From: "jttrettel" <jttrettel@onemain.com> Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 23:22:43 -0500 Hello to everyone, I am relatively new to the list and this is my first post. I have a 69 400 car that I recently purchased from California and brought back to Pennsylvania. The car is in great shape and has been completely rebuilt mechanically, the paint and interior are the main items that need = attention, but they aren't horrible. At some point I will post some pictures for all = of you to take a look at. The real reason I wanted to post was to pass along this ad for some miscellaneous 67 parts. Included are two complete front clips, one = standard and one 400. Take a look if you are in need of parts as they don't look = too bad. I look forward to posting and talking with all of you more in the future. The link: http://www.collectorcartraderonline.com/addetail.html?7408880 Justin
(back) Subject: Re: Air in brake lines. From: "larry diede" <ldiede@bangkok.com> Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 07:36:06 -0700 Glen, I have run MGs for years and have encountered this problem before. Get a = Kit and rebuild the master cyinder. Larry Diede Larry Diede Denver, CO Where part of your salary is the scenery ----------------------------------------------- Thailand's BEST Free Email at Bangkok.com - http://mail.bangkok.com
(back) Subject: Re: intake and carb question From: "John Wern" <jwern@charter.net> Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 10:43:42 -0500 Tony - I just got done putting the Edelbrock 1405 4bbl and Edelbrock perfomrer intake on my '68 400. It seems to be a great combination Very good (crisp) acceleration . The carb is 600cfm another fbird lister sold = me the carb and carb kit Thanks Tim!! -- But at first, I put the carb on = top of the Pontiac intake with the mr Gasket adapter#1932. (dont do this) It ran ok but not the best It just seemed like it didtn want to get a good mixture of fuel with air. It was the same as the Rochester. Well two days ago I went out and got the Edelbrock Performer (not the RPM) just the = plain 'ole performer) intake and man what a difference. ALSO VERY IMPORTANT = buy along with this comobination the Edelbrock # 2732 (standard-flange carb plate) Put this on with the carb!! It will make a difference. It's ok = with out it but you will be glad you did. As far as the carb goes - it is very user friendly. I know nothing about carbs but went to the library and got = a book - Very easy to adjust for performance. It idles smooooth Very good acceleration (great for the street) and ok on gas (I mean as well as you = can expect.) Hope this helps. John. -----Original Message----- From: T2AVLIS@aol.com <T2AVLIS@aol.com> To: Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com <Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com> Date: Monday, February 26, 2001 1:40 AM Subject: intake and carb question >First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List >......................................................................... >Ive got a 69 with 350 2 barrel carb. Wanting to go to 4 barrel. Any advise >on what intake and carb to go with would be appriciated. Also if anyone has >these parts in very good condition let me know what you would want for them. > >Thanks > >Tony
(back) Subject: Favorite part of the Firebird From: "Brett Luikkonen" <brett@cisdirect.com> Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 07:38:21 -0600 Wow... just one? Hmmm... that's not an easy question. But If I HAD to = limit it to ONE... or better yet, list them in order! 1) It would be the nose with the 400 Tach hood, 400 grill, front 3/4 view 2) Rear tail section (3/4 view) of a 68 vert, tail lights & side markers glowing at dusk. 3) An open 400 Tach hood with a finely detailed motor tucked inside! 4) The View from the driver's seat looking over the 400 Tach hood, = listening to that motor... Ok, I could go on and on and on... and I still wouldn't be able to narrow = it down to just one! I give up... Brett - 67 Trop Top 455!
(back) Subject: Subject: Engine install. From: "Brett Luikkonen" <brett@cisdirect.com> Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 07:42:50 -0600 Thanks for the look-see Bob, your right! That 227 looks just right! I'll take some pix and send them along when I get my 455 ready to drop in in a few weeks, painted up and all! Brett in Seattle! ______________________________________________________________________ I put my rebuilt 350 in the bird today. My wife shot some pics while I was at it. http://albums.photopoint.com/j/View?u=3D574120&a=3D7861332&p=3D41916715 http://albums.photopoint.com/j/View?u=3D574120&a=3D7861332&p=3D41916719 http://albums.photopoint.com/j/View?u=3D574120&a=3D7861332&p=3D41916724 Please excuse the big gorilla hoggin the picture. The ones I took (of the cool part -- the engine) are polaroids and I'll have to scan them in. You can really see how great the #227 blue metallic looks! Regards, Bob Trimpe
(back) Subject: Re: intake and carb question From: "AL ROJAS" <amr@appsig.com> Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 07:56:29 -0800 My conversion is the following: Edlebrock Performer intake Edlebrock 1406 carb w electric choke Use factory 2bbl throttle cable and bracket Made a bracket for the kickdown switch (now no longer need - swap to TH350 - get rid of the 2 speed AT) Summit chrome 15" air cleaner with Summit's version of the K&N filter. Convert to dual exhaust - Walker Dyna max mufflers and H pipe. Proformer HEI distributor. 3.08 posi. The car is now fun. My engine has over 100K miles and purrs like a kitten. Al
(back) Subject: Re: way off firebird topic but need help From: "Kevin Young" <kyoung@sagelink.net> Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 10:17:25 -0600 Matt, Your comment of "and then reverse thread a bit into it. That gives you > > something to grip on to turn the bolt. Be sure to get a good T-handle for > > it so you can get some leverage on that thing." Wouldn't it have been better to say use an "easy out", but be sure and = get a good one from Napa or snap on, DO NOT buy one from autozone- kragen etc. because when you break it off you will never get it out and then you = really have a problem. If it is rounded off all ready and you cant get on it with a pair of vise grips or a pipe wrench. There are several ways to go at it, hammer - = chisel, is what I would use or a die grinder to cut a slot in the cross section of the plug them using a impact driver and a 4 pd sledge I would walk it out. any way you do it is going to a bear. good luck Kevin Remember, when someone annoys you it takes 42 muscles in your face to = frown, BUT, it only takes 4 muscles to extend your arm and slap that moron upside the head...
(back) Subject: Windshield wiper motor/linkage From: "Mark Wurtzel" <mwurtzel@flash.net> Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 08:53:05 -0800 I've got a rather strange problem, or it least it seems so to me! After having my windshield wiper motor out & wiper arms off, I was reassembling them last weekend and ran into a problem: When viewing the shaft (that the wiper arm mounts on) from outside the car, looking = straight down at the shaft, it rotates approximately 90 degrees when the switch is activated but in a counter-clockwise direction. That is, in order to get wipers to actually clean the windshield, I'd have to mount them pointing in a near vertical position and they would then = wipe down and to the left (when looking at them from the front of the car. I thought I was careful to keep track of which way the arm to the linkage mounted to the motor (when I removed it) but I'm speculating I must have mis-installed it. However before pulling it apart and randomly changing = its position, I figured I'd run it by the list to see if anyone has = experienced this problem before! I checked my manual but it does not have a lot of information on this subject. It did not have a detailed enough illustration of the linkage between the motor and shaft so I could even figure out just how the mechanism works. So, I'd be most appreciative of any suggestions, if anyone has any ideas! Thanks, Mark '68 Firebird convertible
(back) Subject: Re: Steering Column Wiring Harness (CORRECTED) From: "ROY D LUMSDEN" <rlumsden@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 12:01:00 -0500 Come one guys. With all the experience we have here, NO ONE has ever = figured what each wire in the 67/68 steering column does? Roy ----- Original Message ----- From: "ROY D LUMSDEN" <rlumsden@tampabay.rr.com> To: "First Generation Firebird-L" <Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com> Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2001 6:08 PM Subject: Re: Steering Column Wiring Harness (CORRECTED) > First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List > = ......................................................................... > Oh, yea. It's a 68. > > Sorry, > Roy > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "ROY D LUMSDEN" <rlumsden@tampabay.rr.com> > To: "First Generation Firebird-L" <Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com> > Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2001 4:54 PM > Subject: Steering Column Wiring Harness > > > > First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List > > .......................................................................... > > Has anyone figured out the wiring harness? I bought a wiring diagram = but > it > > doesn't list what the wires do or where they go. I need to know what each > > wire is. The colors are as follows: > > > > Black .............................to Horn > > Black w/ Blue stripe.........? > > Dark Blue........................? > > Brown.............................? > > Purple...............................? > > Black w/ Yellow stripe......? > > Green...............................? > > Black w/ White stripe........? > > > > Any help is appreciated, > > Roy > > > >
(back) Subject: RE: way off firebird topic but need help From: "Mark Wurtzel" <mwurtzel@flash.net> Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 10:28:25 -0800 Michael wrote: <snip> > Hardware stores (and even Wal-mart) carry kits for removing > stuck/stripped > bolts.... if you can find a large enough one, try that. You basically > drill a small hole and then reverse thread a bit into it. Not trying to be argumentative, but it sounds like you are referring to something like an EZ Out, right? If so, I'd be a bit reluctant to use one because they are _really_ hard and if (when?) you break one, about the = only way to get it our is with an EDM. I'm sure you can figure out how I know this! ;) After snapping one in my Harley (ironically enough) I was mildly upset but figured a quick trip over to my friend's machine shop and I'd be back in business. No such luck - he gave me the bad news (that he could not get = it out) and made me promise to go home and throw the EZ Outs away! He said = he probably gets 2-3 people a week coming into the shop with things with = broken EZ Outs in them! If a neither a few days of soaking in PB Blaster, some heat, and a good = rap on the head of the fastener with a center punch will free it, I've found = the best solution is to use a left hand drill bit. Nine times out of ten this will back the fastener out before drilling all the way through it. I usually start out with a bit a couple of sizes smaller that the actual = hole. If this doesn't get it out, my plan is to use a larger size bit and Heli Coil the new hole. I've never had to do this yet, though! Drilling the filler plug out and tapping it for a Heli Coil would = obviously not be the best thing in the world due to the metal shavings but if you = coat your bit and tap with grease and are _really_ careful and go very slowly = it can be done. Oh yeah, be sure to hold you breath as well when doing this! ;) Good luck! Mark
(back) Subject: Re: way off firebird topic but need help From: "Michael Howell" <fishgod@iglou.com> Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 13:45:48 -0500 Yeah you are right Kevin... I have been fighting with rusted bolts a lot = in the last two years and have not found any good way that always works. Investing in = good tools is usually the best plan anyway. The cheap kits do break pretty easy... but then again I haven't found a good one either. Last time I broke one off I ended up just drilling the crap out of it... Luckily I was working in an area that I could do that, = on a car that it didn't really matter. >Wouldn't it have been better to say use an "easy out", but be sure and = get >a good one from Napa or snap on, DO NOT buy one from autozone- kragen = etc. >because when you break it off you will never get it out and then you = really >have a problem.
(back) Subject: RE: intake and carb question From: "Trimpe, Bob" <TrimpeB@rajones.com> Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 14:08:42 -0500 I am using this same combination, bought from another list member. I am very pleased with it, too. I added an electric choke to the 1405 carb. If you want to buy it already that way, its a 1406. Bob Trimpe -----Original Message----- From: John Wern .................................................. Tony - I just got done putting the Edelbrock 1405 4bbl and Edelbrock perfomrer intake on my '68 400.
(back) Subject: Re: Steering Column Wiring Harness (CORRECTED) From: "Frank Zeller" <fzeller@tri-austin.com> Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 13:14:50 -0600 See WEB link Im pretty sure brown is the accessory power. http://www.locl.net/homes/sapple/68wir3.html Frank >>> rlumsden@tampabay.rr.com 02/26/01 11:01AM >>> First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List .......................................................................... Come one guys. With all the experience we have here, NO ONE has ever = figured what each wire in the 67/68 steering column does? > >> First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List >> .......................................................................... >> Has anyone figured out the wiring harness? I bought a wiring diagram = but > it >> doesn't list what the wires do or where they go. I need to know what each >> wire is. The colors are as follows: >> >> Black .............................to Horn >> Black w/ Blue stripe.........? >> Dark Blue........................? >> Brown.............................? >> Purple...............................? >> Black w/ Yellow stripe......? >> Green...............................? >> Black w/ White stripe........? >> >> Any help is appreciated, >> Roy >> >>
(back) Subject: RE: way off firebird topic but need help From: "Michael Howell" <fishgod@iglou.com> Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 15:10:18 -0500 Yes Mark... you and Kevin are definitely right.. I have not had much luck = with them either, but just giving a suggestion as what sounds like an almost last-ditch attempt. I've used them as a last resort and had the same problem, but unfortunately I didn't have you guys around to give me better solutions! >Not trying to be argumentative, but it sounds like you are referring to >something like an EZ Out, right? If so, I'd be a bit reluctant to use = one >because they are _really_ hard and if (when?) you break one, about the = only >way to get it our is with an EDM. > >I'm sure you can figure out how I know this! ;) > >After snapping one in my Harley (ironically enough) I was mildly upset = but >figured a quick trip over to my friend's machine shop and I'd be back in >business. No such luck - he gave me the bad news (that he could not get = it >out) and made me promise to go home and throw the EZ Outs away! He said = he >probably gets 2-3 people a week coming into the shop with things with = broken >EZ Outs in them! > >If a neither a few days of soaking in PB Blaster, some heat, and a good = rap >on the head of the fastener with a center punch will free it, I've found = the >best solution is to use a left hand drill bit. Nine times out of ten = this >will back the fastener out before drilling all the way through it. I >usually start out with a bit a couple of sizes smaller that the actual = hole. >If this doesn't get it out, my plan is to use a larger size bit and Heli >Coil the new hole. I've never had to do this yet, though! > >Drilling the filler plug out and tapping it for a Heli Coil would = obviously >not be the best thing in the world due to the metal shavings but if you = coat >your bit and tap with grease and are _really_ careful and go very slowly = it >can be done. Oh yeah, be sure to hold you breath as well when doing this! >;) > >Good luck! > >Mark >
(back) Subject: RE: Windshield wiper motor/linkage From: "Trimpe, Bob" <TrimpeB@rajones.com> Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 15:06:48 -0500 Is it possible you got the wires reversed to the motor? I haven't thought that all the way through, but it would make the motor run backwards. The fact that the first motion the wiper makes is down and to the left --counterclockwise --(rather than clockwise) tells me the motor is running backwards. Bob Trimpe -----Original Message----- From: Mark Wurtzel [mailto:mwurtzel@flash.net] Sent: Monday, February 26, 2001 11:53 AM To: First Generation Firebird-L Subject: Windshield wiper motor/linkage First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List .......................................................................... I've got a rather strange problem, or it least it seems so to me! After having my windshield wiper motor out & wiper arms off, I was reassembling them last weekend and ran into a problem: When viewing the shaft (that the wiper arm mounts on) from outside the car, looking = straight down at the shaft, it rotates approximately 90 degrees when the switch is activated but in a counter-clockwise direction. That is, in order to get wipers to actually clean the windshield, I'd have to mount them pointing in a near vertical position and they would then = wipe down and to the left (when looking at them from the front of the car. I thought I was careful to keep track of which way the arm to the linkage mounted to the motor (when I removed it) but I'm speculating I must have mis-installed it. However before pulling it apart and randomly changing = its position, I figured I'd run it by the list to see if anyone has = experienced this problem before! I checked my manual but it does not have a lot of information on this subject. It did not have a detailed enough illustration of the linkage between the motor and shaft so I could even figure out just how the mechanism works. So, I'd be most appreciative of any suggestions, if anyone has any ideas! Thanks, Mark '68 Firebird convertible
(back) Subject: Re: way off firebird topic but need help From: "Frank Zeller" <fzeller@tri-austin.com> Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 14:13:07 -0600 If you don't already have the tapout broken inside, you drill out the = bolt to the root diameter. Look it up for the size bolt you snapped off. = Start with a small diameter drill bit and work your way up to the right = size. Then you pick out the treads. Frank >>> fishgod@iglou.com 02/26/01 12:45PM >>> First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List .......................................................................... Yeah you are right Kevin... I have been fighting with rusted bolts a lot = in the last two years and have not found any good way that always works. Investing in = good tools is usually the best plan anyway. The cheap kits do break pretty easy... but then again I haven't found a good one either. Last time I broke one off I ended up just drilling the crap out of it... Luckily I was working in an area that I could do that, = on a car that it didn't really matter. >Wouldn't it have been better to say use an "easy out", but be sure and = get >a good one from Napa or snap on, DO NOT buy one from autozone- kragen = etc. >because when you break it off you will never get it out and then you = really >have a problem.
(back) Subject: Re: FirstGenFirebird Gathering Idea From: "Michael Howell" <fishgod@iglou.com> Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 15:17:56 -0500 From John Wern's earlier post: - - - - If anyone is interested They have a site... http://www.angelfire.com/hi2/TransAmNationals/ . My goal is to be there = with my bird. Gotta quite drinking tha beer I guess. It's August 24th - 26th in Vandalia, OH. (near Dayton). - - - - The Ames event: http://www.pontiacnationals.com/ August 11-12 No idea which is better... never been to them! Mike