First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List best head? by "Niklas Ridell" <vcc2.nridell@memo.volvo.se> Re: Engine install. by "John Wern" <jwern@charter.net> Re: Stir up a new question by "John Wern" <jwern@charter.net> Engine Mounts by "Dean Larson" <DLarson@IDENTIFIX.com> Re: Hood Tach by "Frank Zeller" <fzeller@tri-austin.com> RE: Stir up a new question by "Dean Larson" <DLarson@IDENTIFIX.com> Re: best head? by "Frank Zeller" <fzeller@tri-austin.com> Re: best head? by "marcts" <marcts@ga.prestige.net> Re: heads by "Niklas Ridell" <vcc2.nridell@memo.volvo.se> Re: Engine install. by "Kevin Young" <kyoung@sagelink.net> Re: Stir up a new question by "Landis Rogers" <rogers_landis@hotmail.com> Re: best head? by "Eddie Pettit" <eddie@thepettitfamily.org> Re: was steering column,now engine swaps by "ROY D LUMSDEN" <rlumsden@tampabay.rr.com> More Exhaust and Carb Questions by "Jeff Lane" <JeffLane32@hotmail.com> Re: best head? by <DANRELKINS@aol.com> Steering gear - pitman arm by <Jimc2002@aol.com> Re: best head? by "matt schmid" <schmidmj@hotmail.com> Re: More Exhaust and Carb Questions by "marcts" <marcts@ga.prestige.net> Re: More Exhaust and Carb Questions by "x1r1 x" <x1r1@hotmail.com> Re: Steering gear - pitman arm by "x1r1 x" <x1r1@hotmail.com> Re: Steering gear - pitman arm by "Frank Zeller" <fzeller@tri-austin.com> Re: More Exhaust and Carb Questions by "Frank Zeller" <fzeller@tri-austin.com> Sprint Conversion by "Jeff Frey" <FREYJ@mascorp.com> Magazines by "Dean Larson" <DLarson@IDENTIFIX.com> Re: Steering gear - pitman arm by "Joe Brown" <jb.pb@gte.net> Re: Stir up a new question by "Joe Brown" <jb.pb@gte.net> Re: Virus warning: SERIOUSLY! by "Joe Brown" <jb.pb@gte.net> Owner Show Pages Updated (2-27-2001) by "Geoff Martin" <Geoff@firstgenfirebird.org> Re: More Exhaust and Carb Questions by "Joe Brown" <jb.pb@gte.net> Re: Magazines by "Geoff Martin" <Geoff@firstgenfirebird.org>
(back) Subject: best head? From: "Niklas Ridell" <vcc2.nridell@memo.volvo.se> Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 13:26:38 +0100 Guys I would like to hear your opinion about #670 heads versus the RA3 #12 heads. I've found a guy selling both these heads but I can't decide which ones to choose. In my books I find the specs on both heads equal regarding big valves, screw-in studs and chamber size. Somebody got any advises? Thank you. /Niklas
(back) Subject: Re: Engine install. From: "John Wern" <jwern@charter.net> Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 08:33:55 -0500 He says 462 Torque power...I've been in that car - It's every bit of that and more. Great engine build. John -----Original Message----- From: Slobird <marcts@ga.prestige.net> To: 'First Generation Firebird-L' <Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com> Date: Monday, February 26, 2001 11:37 PM Subject: RE: Engine install. >First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List >......................................................................... > >Wow all this engine install stuff made me want to show my install pics. >Here is my 350 going out and 455 (462) going in! > >http://members.prestige.net/marcts/350out_1.jpg >http://members.prestige.net/marcts/engine_trans_complete.jpg >http://members.prestige.net/marcts/inpic.jpg > >462 torque power! > >tim
(back) Subject: Re: Stir up a new question From: "John Wern" <jwern@charter.net> Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 08:51:00 -0500 After much thought - Look out the drivers side window into the mirror you'll see that half moon line (over the rear wheel) that never ends as = it trails off the rear of the car. That's a line. JOhn. -----Original Message----- From: Chris Porter <fxstsb@pop.sttl.uswest.net> To: First Generation Firebird-L <Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com> Date: Saturday, February 24, 2001 1:01 PM Subject: Stir up a new question >First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List >......................................................................... > I was out in the garage the other day, admiring the lines >of our cars. >I kept looking at the taillight's. Those taillight's are my >favorite part of this car. Which made me wonder, if you had >to pick one specific part of you Firebird as you favorite. >What would it be ? Just thought this would stir up some >interesting view point's. > > >Chris >`68 350 H.O. Drop-top
(back) Subject: Engine Mounts From: "Dean Larson" <DLarson@IDENTIFIX.com> Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 08:01:48 -0600 All, I am looking for a picture of the top of the front cross member where the engine mounts bolt up. I don't know if the year will make a difference, = but mine is a '69. I think someone has hacked it up already, and I want to figure out what they did exactly. Thanks, Dean Larson '69 Coupe
(back) Subject: Re: Hood Tach From: "Frank Zeller" <fzeller@tri-austin.com> Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 08:07:24 -0600 What was your setup before you went to the new ignition system? Did the = tach work before? If so you need a amplifier for the tach circuit. >>> macef@optonline.net 02/26/01 05:48PM >>> First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List .......................................................................... Dear list, Does anyone have any experience with hooking up a Hood Tach while = using a MSD 6AL box with a External MSD Blaster II Coil. I also have a pro = billet MSD Distributor. I have purchased a MSD Tach Converter that they said = would fix the problem but no luck. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Mace 69 350 Drop-Top
(back) Subject: RE: Stir up a new question From: "Dean Larson" <DLarson@IDENTIFIX.com> Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 08:07:42 -0600 I bought mine from a guy that lived across the street from me. He has it backed in to the garage and everytime he opened the garage I would get a look at the front end staring at me. I knew I had to have it. ~Dean Larson '69 Coupe .......................................................................... After much thought - Look out the drivers side window into the mirror you'll see that half moon line (over the rear wheel) that never ends as = it trails off the rear of the car. That's a line. JOhn.
(back) Subject: Re: best head? From: "Frank Zeller" <fzeller@tri-austin.com> Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 08:21:59 -0600 The rummer is the open chamber #12 is slightly better for performance. = Some people have opened up the chamber on the 670 and seen an = improvement.. Depending on what you would put the 670 on you can open up = the chamber to reduce the volume enough by opening up the chamber to run = on pump gas. All the early D port large valve heads are pretty much equal = in flow. I think it would come down to which heads were in better shape. = Check for recessed valve seats on the exhaust and rust. Also some D ports = are just better CASTED up ( how well they were made). I've seen some = really poor castings and finish machining jobs on some early Pontiac = heads. Frank >>> vcc2.nridell@memo.volvo.se 02/27/01 06:26AM >>> First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List .......................................................................... Guys I would like to hear your opinion about #670 heads versus the RA3 #12 heads. I've found a guy selling both these heads but I can't decide which ones to choose. In my books I find the specs on both heads equal regarding big valves, screw-in studs and chamber size. Somebody got any advises? Thank you. /Niklas
(back) Subject: Re: best head? From: "marcts" <marcts@ga.prestige.net> Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 09:27:36 -0500 I almost made a rude comment but held back at the last moment.
(back) Subject: Re: heads From: "Niklas Ridell" <vcc2.nridell@memo.volvo.se> Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 15:33:27 +0100 I'd be happy to pass them on to you Larry. How frequent do you fly to Europe...? /Niklas Gothenburg, Sweden lws@nextek.net wrote: > From: lws@nextek.net > To: vcc2.nridell@memo.volvo.se > Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 09:14:45 -0500 > Subject: heads > > I'm not sure which is better flowing,thats probably what you're = after,but > whichever set u don't buy,I'd like to check out,depending on your > location.thanks,Larry > ----------------------------------------------------- > Click here for Free Video!! > http://www.gohip.com/free_video/
(back) Subject: Re: Engine install. From: "Kevin Young" <kyoung@sagelink.net> Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 09:29:22 -0600 Great shots, I like the detail effort put in to the paint on the motor. Am I the only one who cleans a tranny up and if it needs paint I paint it to? And the driveline and differential And cleans and repaints the engine compartment while the engine is out... etc...etc... Just a thought. Kevin Remember, when someone annoys you it takes 42 muscles in your face to = frown, BUT, it only takes 4 muscles to extend your arm and slap that moron upside the head... =3D:) "If ya think you have it bad in your area..... come = spend a couple 3 weeks in LA and you will look forward to going back home." ----- Original Message ----- From: "Slobird" <marcts@ga.prestige.net> To: "'First Generation Firebird-L'" <Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com> Sent: Monday, February 26, 2001 9:29 PM Subject: RE: Engine install. > First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List > = ......................................................................... > > Wow all this engine install stuff made me want to show my install pics. > Here is my 350 going out and 455 (462) going in!
(back) Subject: Re: Stir up a new question From: "Landis Rogers" <rogers_landis@hotmail.com> Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 10:44:04 -0500 THe best view is from the drivers seat with your right foot firmly = planted. Landis 67 400 Coupe (in storage :( ) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
(back) Subject: Re: best head? From: "Eddie Pettit" <eddie@thepettitfamily.org> Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 11:11:28 -0500 You know, that crossed my mind as well... ----- Original Message ----- From: marcts I almost made a rude comment but held back at the last moment.
(back) Subject: Re: was steering column,now engine swaps From: "ROY D LUMSDEN" <rlumsden@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 12:33:25 -0500 Gary says: ", I would suggest an excellent manual to you and anyone else > doing a late model EFI to an early body. Its by JTR (Jags That Run)". Gary, I've got it. I've also got the Helms manual it suggested. The Helms book = is the ticket. If the 68 wiring diagram was anywhere near as good, I probably wouldn't have to ask for the steering column help (notice I said, "probably"... ). I agree. You have to do your homework. Roy
(back) Subject: More Exhaust and Carb Questions From: "Jeff Lane" <JeffLane32@hotmail.com> Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 12:54:56 -0500 If one is going to have a dual exhaust system installed with the two pipes going into a single muffler (kind of like the original system without the resonators) - is there any benefit or need to use a crossover or x-pipe? And, on a Pontiac 400 with Performer intake and headers - is the Edlebrock #1406 600cfm carb w electric choke still a good choice or the #1407 750cfm manual choke? Not sure why, but Edelbrock states that the electric choke models are calibrated for fuel economy and the manuals are for maximum performance. Thanks, Jeff.
(back) Subject: Re: best head? From: <DANRELKINS@aol.com> Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 13:12:38 EST glad I aint the only one that almost jumped at the chance!!
(back) Subject: Steering gear - pitman arm From: <Jimc2002@aol.com> Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 14:04:22 EST First, I just subscribed to the "list" so this is my first message. Hi to = all. I'm looking for advice on removing the nut and washer holding the pitman = arm to the steering gear ('68 Firebird with PS). The nut is very tight and = I've been unable to budge it. The Pontiac Service Manual matter-of-factly instructs removal of the nut and washer then goes into the use of the = pitman arm puller, etc. Part of my problem is that I fear excessive torque might = damage the steering gear and part of the problem is the entire linkage = wants to turn and I'm not sure where I should try to block it. I've now waiting = for the penetrating oil I applied to work but I fear my usual "heating and pounding" routine for frozen nuts is not appropriate. And in answer to the most appealing feature of the Gen1's - the 400 hood = and scoops. Jim '68 400Ho Convert.
(back) Subject: Re: best head? From: "matt schmid" <schmidmj@hotmail.com> Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 19:34:37 It's good to see that there are a few others out there besides me who = think like that. >From: "Eddie Pettit" <eddie@thepettitfamily.org> >Reply-To: "First Generation Firebird-L" = <Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com> >To: "First Generation Firebird-L" <Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com> >Subject: Re: best head? >Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 11:11:28 -0500 > >First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List >......................................................................... >You know, that crossed my mind as well... > >----- Original Message ----- >From: marcts >I almost made a rude comment but held back at the last moment. > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
(back) Subject: Re: More Exhaust and Carb Questions From: "marcts" <marcts@ga.prestige.net> Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 15:14:43 -0500 I think with a mild cam in a 400 a 600 cfm is plenty. Edelbrock does = calibrate the electric choke carb differently, I think with different = metering rods. I guess they figure that only performance people will go = for the manual choke. anyway, the advantage of the edelbrock carb is that it is very easy to = change jets and rods. Rods take about a minute and jets 10. You can = calibrate a 600 pretty rich if you want. Just get the calibration kit. tim
(back) Subject: Re: More Exhaust and Carb Questions From: "x1r1 x" <x1r1@hotmail.com> Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 12:57:17 -0800 I've never seen an x pipe on a single muffler car. I can tell you that with prformer pontiac and the # 1406, I got 20 @ 70 = mph on the freeway. my motor was a bit tired, and ran out of valvespring long before aiflow. I did hit 60 MPH in first gear a few times running 200R4 = and 2.56 gears. Unless you are going to run 6000 RPM lots, Id go with the electric model. edelbrock sells the jet kit pretty cheap if you want to loose the economy. My Edelbrock carb was trouble free, and user friendly. $.o2 Rowan >From: "Jeff Lane" <JeffLane32@hotmail.com> >If one is going to have a dual exhaust system installed with the two = pipes >going into a single muffler (kind of like the original system without the >resonators) - is there any benefit or need to use a crossover or x-pipe? >And, on a Pontiac 400 with Performer intake and headers - is the = Edlebrock >#1406 600cfm carb w electric choke still a good choice or the #1407 = 750cfm >manual choke? Not sure why, but Edelbrock states that the electric choke >models are calibrated for fuel economy and the manuals are for maximum >performance. Thanks, Jeff. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
(back) Subject: Re: Steering gear - pitman arm From: "x1r1 x" <x1r1@hotmail.com> Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 13:08:12 -0800 Welcome, JIM I use a big socket on a braeker bar, or an 18" pipe wrench, and tap with a = hammer. The $8 pitman arm puller from harbor Freight works very well, = but you may break a few before getting a good one(lifetime guaranteeed). The model that costs a dollar more is the better one. An overnight soak of liquid wrench will also help. Rowan *68 coupe >From: Jimc2002@aol.com > >First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List >......................................................................... >First, I just subscribed to the "list" so this is my first message. Hi = to >all. > >I'm looking for advice on removing the nut and washer holding the pitman >arm >to the steering gear ('68 Firebird with PS). The nut is very tight and >I've >been unable to budge it. The Pontiac Service Manual matter-of-factly >instructs removal of the nut and washer then goes into the use of the >pitman >arm puller, etc. Part of my problem is that I fear excessive torque = might >damage the steering gear and part of the problem is the entire linkage >wants >to turn and I'm not sure where I should try to block it. I've now waiting = >for >the penetrating oil I applied to work but I fear my usual "heating and >pounding" routine for frozen nuts is not appropriate. > >And in answer to the most appealing feature of the Gen1's - the 400 hood >and >scoops. >Jim >'68 400Ho Convert. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
(back) Subject: Re: Steering gear - pitman arm From: "Frank Zeller" <fzeller@tri-austin.com> Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 15:33:37 -0600 You can use an impact wrench. >>> Jimc2002@aol.com 02/27/01 01:04PM >>> First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List .......................................................................... First, I just subscribed to the "list" so this is my first message. Hi to = all. I'm looking for advice on removing the nut and washer holding the pitman = arm to the steering gear ('68 Firebird with PS). The nut is very tight and = I've been unable to budge it. The Pontiac Service Manual matter-of-factly instructs removal of the nut and washer then goes into the use of the = pitman arm puller, etc. Part of my problem is that I fear excessive torque might = damage the steering gear and part of the problem is the entire linkage = wants to turn and I'm not sure where I should try to block it. I've now waiting = for the penetrating oil I applied to work but I fear my usual "heating and pounding" routine for frozen nuts is not appropriate. And in answer to the most appealing feature of the Gen1's - the 400 hood = and scoops. Jim '68 400Ho Convert.
(back) Subject: Re: More Exhaust and Carb Questions From: "Frank Zeller" <fzeller@tri-austin.com> Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 15:35:50 -0600 Jeff, The manual choke ones are calibrated way to rich. If you get the 750 = version get the electric choke one. I had to go 2 stages lean on my 1407 = manual choke on a low compression 455. Frank >>> JeffLane32@hotmail.com 02/27/01 11:54AM >>> First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List .......................................................................... If one is going to have a dual exhaust system installed with the two pipes going into a single muffler (kind of like the original system without the resonators) - is there any benefit or need to use a crossover or x-pipe? And, on a Pontiac 400 with Performer intake and headers - is the Edlebrock #1406 600cfm carb w electric choke still a good choice or the #1407 750cfm manual choke? Not sure why, but Edelbrock states that the electric choke models are calibrated for fuel economy and the manuals are for maximum performance. Thanks, Jeff.
(back) Subject: Sprint Conversion From: "Jeff Frey" <FREYJ@mascorp.com> Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 14:09:10 -0800 hello, i am new to the list. I am in process of converting my 1-bbl ohc = to a sprint, using stock head, reground (H?) cam. and using a stock sprint int/exh. is there an HEI distributor that will fit? if not any ideas for an = upgrade to 1-bbl stock? is there a specific aftermarket carb that you have had good luck with? = i'm considering using the edelbrock (old carter ASB style) squarebore, because = I can get a decent cfm (450ish) to match the car. the spreadbores are all about 600-650 cfm, unless i spend bigger $. thanks for the help. - - jeff
(back) Subject: Magazines From: "Dean Larson" <DLarson@IDENTIFIX.com> Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 17:26:30 -0600 All, Wondering what car magazines everyone subscribes to. Tks, ~Dean Larson '69 Sport Coupe
(back) Subject: Re: Steering gear - pitman arm From: "Joe Brown" <jb.pb@gte.net> Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 19:17:16 -0800 You need some one with a good air gun to remove that nut , spray it with = oil before removable . Why do you want it off anyway ? nothing can go wrong = with it .If you want to clean and paint it you could remove the steering box . = I replaced every part on my front end except the pitman arm .I had a = mechanic remove the nut and arm so I could install it on my new steering box . Good luck Joe
(back) Subject: Re: Stir up a new question From: "Joe Brown" <jb.pb@gte.net> Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 19:19:35 -0800 Hey : are we talking about women ? or cars , either way I am getting = turned on . Joe
(back) Subject: Re: Virus warning: SERIOUSLY! From: "Joe Brown" <jb.pb@gte.net> Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 19:22:12 -0800 GTE here in Florida must be doing a good job , have never seen a virus e-mail . Knock on wood Joe
(back) Subject: Owner Show Pages Updated (2-27-2001) From: "Geoff Martin" <Geoff@firstgenfirebird.org> Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 19:22:27 -0500 Subject: Owner Show Pages Updated (2-27-2001) Added some more owners today to the First Generation Firebird Owners' Show Pages: David McGuire 1969 Verdoro Green Firebird 400 Convertible (http://FirstGenFirebird.org/show/closeup.mv?CarID=3D131) Marco de Vocht 1969 Windward blue poly Firebird 350 Convertible (http://FirstGenFirebird.org/show/closeup.mv?CarID=3D132) ------------------- Enjoy - Geoff '68 Mayfair Maize Firebird 350 Convertible (http://FirstGenFirebird.org/show/closeup.mv?CarID=3D46) (Geoff@firstgenfirebird.org) More information about adding your car or link to the owner pages: (http://FirstGenFirebird.org/firebird/owners/info.html) (Make sure to drop the "(" and ")" when using the URLs)
(back) Subject: Re: More Exhaust and Carb Questions From: "Joe Brown" <jb.pb@gte.net> Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 19:42:19 -0800 I would imagine that there is a performance muffler just design for your purpose , probable with duels out back , I would not see the need for a cross over pipe . I would bet not that Edelbrock electric choke 600 is calibrated different than a carb without . I had a Edlebrock 600 carb and = it idle very rich , I called tech lines , bought calibration kit with jets = and rods . I went back to a Holley . The only performance gain you would get from a 750 cfm is better high rpm acceleration and a little more top end, maybe 15 more hp and you can say (Yeah I am running a 750 cfm Edlebrock = ). Joe
(back) Subject: Re: Magazines From: "Geoff Martin" <Geoff@firstgenfirebird.org> Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 19:49:01 -0500 Enjoy my POCI magazine plus the Pontiac Enthusiast when I can find it at the book store. Geoff <Geoff@FirstGenFirebird.org> >Wondering what car magazines everyone subscribes to.