First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List Best Head...not for the faint at heart by "Tom Grzywacz" <ban67shee@hotmail.com> Re: Virus warning: SERIOUSLY! by "Geoff Martin" <Geoff@firstgenfirebird.org> The best head by "Tom Grzywacz" <ban67shee@hotmail.com> Re: Magazines by <Pzary3233@aol.com> Re: Magazines by "John Wern" <jwern@charter.net> Hey : Are we talking about womem or cars ? by "Chris Porter" <fxstsb@pop.sttl.uswest.net> Floorpan replacement by "John Clear" <jjclear@my-deja.com> Re: Magazines by "Joe Brown" <jb.pb@gte.net> Re: Steering gear - pitman arm by <hugoba@apcom.com> Re: Magazines by "Michael Howell" <fishgod@iglou.com> Criusing to SJ by "x1r1 x" <x1r1@hotmail.com> Another Sprint Saved by "Andy" <fbird68@ix.netcom.com> Re: Stir up a new question by <Studderin@aol.com> Re: Another Sprint Saved by <Studderin@aol.com> Re: Steering gear - pitman arm by <Jimc2002@aol.com> Re: Steering gear - pitman arm by <Jimc2002@aol.com> RE: Floorpan replacement by "Rodger Fromm" <rwfromm@nf.sympatico.ca> RE heads by "Gary Patrick" <Gary@tcworks.net> re Sprint conversion by "Gary Patrick" <Gary@tcworks.net>
(back) Subject: Best Head...not for the faint at heart From: "Tom Grzywacz" <ban67shee@hotmail.com> Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 19:53:22 -0500 Nik, The 670 and 12 have the same 72 cc chamber, valve size, studs and same runner cc. The only difference is the 670 is a closed chamber head. = If you are building a mild street engine, say a little more than stock, the 670'swill be just fine. If all you had were the 670's, you could increase cc's and produce better flame travel by having machinist unshroud chamber = by intake/spark plug. The #12,16,48 (72 cc) heads are great for higher compression, higher RPM and more potent applications. I myself had a set = of 670's on a 400, then switched to #48's. Only difference I noticed was the #48's breathing ability above 4,500 rpm (race applications) If I had the money, and the price was right, buy both sets. Bare 670's go for $200-250 a set, #12's a little higher. I usually buy 2 sets from same person to get a better deal.. Got a set of #48 and 670's for = $425 (bare)In my opinion, always buy bare sets, cheaper, and the springs, = valves and rockers are junk anyhow. Tom _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
(back) Subject: Re: Virus warning: SERIOUSLY! From: "Geoff Martin" <Geoff@firstgenfirebird.org> Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 19:53:59 -0500 Another good way to stop these is to partially download attachments if your email software has this feature. This way you can see who it is from and then decide if you want to risk downloading the entire attachment file. Geoff '68 Mayfair Maize Firebird 350 Convertible <http://FirstGenFirebird.org/show/closeup.mv?CarID=3D46> <Geoff@FirstGenFirebird.org> >Everyone keep your Norton updated. >it will travel up your complete mailing list them to theirs.Etc >Got one last night. >My dads gotten 4 in last week. >thank you Norton. >Gary
(back) Subject: The best head From: "Tom Grzywacz" <ban67shee@hotmail.com> Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 19:54:47 -0500 By the way, I have a bare 670 head that needs an exhaust seat. I dropped a = valve and nicked er up a tad. Casting is bare, uncut and unmilled and has relatively new bronze guides. If someone wants to repair or practice porting, It needs $110 worth of work to be operable. Say the word, and I'll ship it out. Tom _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
(back) Subject: Re: Magazines From: <Pzary3233@aol.com> Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 20:03:41 EST I subscribe to... Car Craft-the give a low-buck prespective to the street car prespectice = and I like that because i'm a poor high schooler! High Perf Pontiac- I like it because it gives good restoration tips and shows may restored cars that are very nice Paul Z. 68 350 coupe
(back) Subject: Re: Magazines From: "John Wern" <jwern@charter.net> Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 20:20:50 -0500 CarCraft - High Performance Pontiac - -----Original Message----- From: Dean Larson <DLarson@IDENTIFIX.com> To: 'Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com' <Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com> Date: Tuesday, February 27, 2001 7:52 PM Subject: Magazines >First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List >......................................................................... >All, >Wondering what car magazines everyone subscribes to. >Tks, >~Dean Larson >'69 Sport Coupe > >
(back) Subject: Hey : Are we talking about womem or cars ? From: "Chris Porter" <fxstsb@pop.sttl.uswest.net> Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 17:44:52 -0800 With the last post of "best head", it's getting harder to tell :o) Chris `68 350 H.O. Drop-top
(back) Subject: Floorpan replacement From: "John Clear" <jjclear@my-deja.com> Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 17:59:40 -0800 I'm finally replacing the floorpans and I'm wondering how you guys did = yours. I've drilled out about a million spot welds, removed the seat = braces, and cut away all the old floorpan. I left the bottom support = braces connected to the rocker panels. I really didn't want to remove = these because I'm afraid the body might shift.The original pans fit in = between these braces and rocker panel. I was thinking about notching the = new pans to fit around the braces and weld them up. Can I get some expert = opinions on the best way? J. Clear 68 400 Conv. ------------------------------------------------------------ --=3D=3D Sent via Deja.com =3D=3D-- http://www.deja.com/
(back) Subject: Re: Magazines From: "Joe Brown" <jb.pb@gte.net> Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 21:05:35 -0800 I use to get High Performance Pontiac and Car Craft . My Pontiac ran out = and I moved and will be moving again so I did not want to lose an issue , but they did not even try to get me back or send a free issue to entice me . = Car Craft sent me notice after notice for money than they sent me to = collections in an effort to get me to subscribe , I knew I was not going to = collections ,a collection company owned by the magazine, I call the number on the = card and a tape recording said disregard any notice , I hate the fact the tried to intimidate me in to subscribing again . Joe
(back) Subject: Re: Steering gear - pitman arm From: <hugoba@apcom.com> Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 18:40:58 -0800 (PST) I know that it's extra work but you might consider removing the steering = box (3 bolts to the frame) and remove/replace the pitman outside of the car. You can then clamp it down to a vise and use a BIG wrench with a LONG = extension. This might give you a chance to clean the box and paint it and so on. Hugo ps. your knuckles will thabk you too. pps. Welcome aboard. > From Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com Tue Feb 27 12:06:49 2001 > From: Jimc2002@aol.com > Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 14:04:22 EST > Subject: Steering gear - pitman arm > To: Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List > = ......................................................................... > First, I just subscribed to the "list" so this is my first message. Hi = to > all. > > I'm looking for advice on removing the nut and washer holding the pitman = arm > to the steering gear ('68 Firebird with PS). The nut is very tight and = I've > been unable to budge it. The Pontiac Service Manual matter-of-factly > instructs removal of the nut and washer then goes into the use of the = pitman > arm puller, etc. Part of my problem is that I fear excessive torque = might > damage the steering gear and part of the problem is the entire linkage = wants > to turn and I'm not sure where I should try to block it. I've now = waiting for > the penetrating oil I applied to work but I fear my usual "heating and > pounding" routine for frozen nuts is not appropriate. > > And in answer to the most appealing feature of the Gen1's - the 400 hood = and > scoops. > Jim > '68 400Ho Convert. >
(back) Subject: Re: Magazines From: "Michael Howell" <fishgod@iglou.com> Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 22:07:02 -0500 Rod & custom High Perf. Pontiac Hemming's Special Interest Autos - just started this one, lots of good articles for a wide variety of makes/models Auto Restorer - I really like this one too - good general info and tips from other restorers. Mike > >Wondering what car magazines everyone subscribes to.
(back) Subject: Criusing to SJ From: "x1r1 x" <x1r1@hotmail.com> Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 19:59:37 -0800 Hey It looks Like I will be making my trip to KC compressor tomorow or Thursday, depending how a phonecall I can't make yet works out. I likely wouldn't be there before noon , but Ill leave a message or call = the cellphone before I get out of here. Later, Rowan _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
(back) Subject: Another Sprint Saved From: "Andy" <fbird68@ix.netcom.com> Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 20:06:02 -0800 My friend Steve and I took a trip down to Salinas, CA, Sunday, to take a look at the 6-cyl convertible I wrote about last week. It turned out to be a Sprint. The car was originally a 40th birthday present for the seller's mother-in-law. It was the 334th car off the line at Lordstown. There are only about 60 miles left to go before turning over its first 100K (well, less than that, now that Steve has driven it home). The car is completely original, from the set of keys to the space-saver tire and inflation canister. The car will take some work to restore. While the power top still functions, the fabric itself is shot. The standard black vinyl upholstery and door panels are nearly perfect, but there is little left of the carpet. There are no rally gauges, but there is a working clock, decent console, and Hurst shifter for the three speed. The rear-end is a healthy 3.55, but I didn't see a posi tag (I may have missed it). The car has Bird glass, but no glovebox bird. The hood is trashed, and there is a little bubbling on the front left quarter. The front-end bushings and subframe bushings will have to be replaced, but bouncing each corner revealed a firm suspension and no squeaks. The car has power steering, but manual drum brakes. He picked the car up for $2K. But, as we all know, that's just the beginning. Speaking of which, anyone have a non-400 hood for sale? Andy
(back) Subject: Re: Stir up a new question From: <Studderin@aol.com> Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 23:32:52 EST In a message dated 2/27/2001 10:02:41 AM Eastern Daylight Time, jwern@charter.net writes: << After much thought - Look out the drivers side window into the mirror you'll see that half moon line (over the rear wheel) that never ends as = it trails off the rear of the car. That's a line. JOhn. >> Although I have not had much seat time in my bird. One of my favorite views. (It will be the same in my bird) is. Looking in the rear view = mirror of my 73' Grand Am with the noise of a 455 with 3:23, as a little ford crapstange is getting smaller as the mirror shakes vigorously. And the = huge 6 by ft. hood almost jumps off the body at shifts as the wind of the GrandAm = getting up to 115. My second favorite view is the face of the ghost white = driver with his mouth wide open as he pulls up next to me it the next = light, looking totally dumbfounded at my 4,300lbs. luxo barge. and for some = reason always take a quick right on red. And this time he don't bother to show = off how loud this cat-back flowmasters are. John Costello
(back) Subject: Re: Another Sprint Saved From: <Studderin@aol.com> Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 00:14:08 EST Andy I am going to be getting a 400 hood so my (ironing board) hood won't = have a home. I'd like to hold on to it tough until reassembly and an order the = 400 hood, it has no dents or rust the under side is older black and the = outside is dark red. no hood tach, has a pentagon shaped opening in the bracing, I = think it's the same bracing in all hoods? Cheap$ or a trade? Got an extra disk setup, strong reared, 67 deluxe steering wheel, or extra any thing? John Costello Rochester NY
(back) Subject: Re: Steering gear - pitman arm From: <Jimc2002@aol.com> Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 00:39:06 EST Joe - thanks. I need to remove the steering gear box to rebuild all the seals. After 33 years (March is my cars birth month) the gear is leaking = PS fluid from every possible place. I'll have to to get an impact socket to = fit and try my own air wrench though it often is not strong enough. Jim
(back) Subject: Re: Steering gear - pitman arm From: <Jimc2002@aol.com> Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 00:41:47 EST Hugo, Thanks - good idea. The initial intent is to remove the gear box so it = may be a way to get the job done. Jim
(back) Subject: RE: Floorpan replacement From: "Rodger Fromm" <rwfromm@nf.sympatico.ca> Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 02:18:26 -0330 A year and a half ago i had the floor pans replaced in my 68. I did not = do the work myself for the main reason that i was am in college, and my uncle owns a metal fabrication business(though it is going out of business soon) and by bringing the car there, i had people who really knew what they were with in the welding/grinding area put them in for me. This was done at = the same time that i changed the stereo out in it. All i know is that they = guys up there said it was a pain in the ass(did one side at a time to keep = things from shifting). Mine is a coup though, so thinkg with the convertable may be different...now whether it is easier or harder, i have no clue. Good luck though. Rodger 68 350 (never to see snow again, frigging salt and my dad using it for 6 newfoundland winters) -----Original Message----- From: Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com [mailto:Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com]On Behalf Of John Clear Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2001 10:30 PM To: Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com Subject: Floorpan replacement First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List .......................................................................... I'm finally replacing the floorpans and I'm wondering how you guys did yours. I've drilled out about a million spot welds, removed the seat = braces, and cut away all the old floorpan. I left the bottom support braces connected to the rocker panels. I really didn't want to remove these = because I'm afraid the body might shift.The original pans fit in between these braces and rocker panel. I was thinking about notching the new pans to fit around the braces and weld them up. Can I get some expert opinions on the best way? J. Clear 68 400 Conv.
(back) Subject: RE heads From: "Gary Patrick" <Gary@tcworks.net> Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 06:09:53 -0500 Subject: Re: best head? From: "matt schmid" <schmidmj@hotmail.com> Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 19:34:37 It's good to see that there are a few others out there besides me who = think like that. Must be getting old ..that thought didnt even enter my mind until mentioned.. Gary
(back) Subject: re Sprint conversion From: "Gary Patrick" <Gary@tcworks.net> Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 06:19:15 -0500 Subject: Sprint Conversion From: "Jeff Frey" <FREYJ@mascorp.com> Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 14:09:10 -0800 hello, i am new to the list. I am in process of converting my 1-bbl ohc = to a sprint, using stock head, reground (H?) cam. and using a stock sprint int/exh. is there an HEI distributor that will fit? if not any ideas for an = upgrade to 1-bbl stock? is there a specific aftermarket carb that you have had good luck with? = i'm considering using the edelbrock (old carter ASB style) squarebore, because = I can get a decent cfm (450ish) to match the car. the spreadbores are all about 600-650 cfm, unless i spend bigger $. thanks for the help. - - jeff Hi Jeff welcome. Good to see another Cammer getting revived . Ive used the 450 and 650 spread bore Holleys both with success. Be sure to get the spring kit that can change secondary opening rate. You will need to change from stock. As for HEIs there is no drop-in available. You can modify a GM 6 cyl dist to fit ,use a Mallory unilite that clifford sells ( I have one of these),or go to a pointless conversion like Pertonix = makes. dont know about the Edelbrock carb. But the Q jet is still best all around = one. Where did you get an H cam from? Gary