First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List Firebird Pics by "Erich Wagner" <ewagner@advancepac.com> RE: Hood Tach by "Mace" <macef@optonline.net> Re: 1969 Firebird Trans Am for sale. by "Bob Cisneros" <Bob.Cisneros@Sun.COM> '69 Available in 3 weeks (was 1967&1968 Firebird Diecast) by "Geoff Martin" <Geoff@firstgenfirebird.org> Re: Need front end HELP by "Dennis Rolston" <hotroddr@juno.com> Re: Magazines by "Shawn Jeppson" <sfjeppson@earthlink.net> Shifter ? by "Todd Chynoweth" <pinec@pitnet.net> RE: Intro and link to parts by "jttrettel" <jttrettel@onemain.com> Re: More Carb Questions by <geebjen@att.net> Re: Need front end HELP by "Geoff Martin" <Geoff@firstgenfirebird.org> Re: Subject: Re: More Carb Questions by "John Wern" <jwern@charter.net> Re: Floorpans by "John Clear" <jjclear@my-deja.com> RE: 1969 Firebird Trans Am for sale. by "Bryan & Mone' Young" <bryandmo@home.com> Re: Sprint Conversion by "x1r1 x" <x1r1@hotmail.com> Re: More Exhaust and Carb Questions by "x1r1 x" <x1r1@hotmail.com> Tim dosen't like Q-jets by <Studderin@aol.com> RE: More Carb Questions by "Slobird" <marcts@ga.prestige.net> Redlines vs. RWL tires- opinions please? by "bird" <bird@javanet.com> Re: Need front end HELP by "x1r1 x" <x1r1@hotmail.com> Re: Magazines by "Doug" <dcharnley@mediaone.net> Blower by <FB1967428@aol.com>
(back) Subject: Firebird Pics From: "Erich Wagner" <ewagner@advancepac.com> Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 10:57:18 -0500 Marco de Vocht 1969 Windward blue poly Firebird 350 Convertible (http://FirstGenFirebird.org/show/closeup.mv?CarID=3D132) Hey Marco, Is that your house in the background? I bet you have plenty of garage space! Seriously, looks nice. Is it difficult to get parts in the Netherlands? Erich Wagner =9267 Convert 326
(back) Subject: RE: Hood Tach From: "Mace" <macef@optonline.net> Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 17:47:02 -0500 There was a Autometer ultra lite pro comp tach plugged directly into the MSD ignition What was your setup before you went to the new ignition system? Did the tach work before? If so you need a amplifier for the tach circuit. Dear list, Does anyone have any experience with hooking up a Hood Tach while = using a MSD 6AL box with a External MSD Blaster II Coil. I also have a pro = billet MSD Distributor. I have purchased a MSD Tach Converter that they said = would fix the problem but no luck. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Mace 69 350 Drop-Top
(back) Subject: Re: 1969 Firebird Trans Am for sale. From: "Bob Cisneros" <Bob.Cisneros@Sun.COM> Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 14:52:12 -0800 (PST) Tom Grzywacz writes: >I was at the Autorama here in Detroit on Sunday. I saw a white T/A with = blue >T/A striping, spoiler..Detatils on window said it was 1 of 7 left...Had = R/A >pans, hood, and so on, tried to locate casting #'s on heads...none on = ports >that I could see in limited lighting. May be worth looking into. The VIN number would have been of the most help. While all of the 697 VINs are known, the 55 RA IV VINs are printed in Pete McCarthy's book Pontiac Muscle Car Performance 1955-1979. So are the 8 convertible VINs. >(John/Framair) The funny thing is I believe it was a convertible. Ha! I don't think I quite understand. This implies doubt about the car being a convertible? I just searched for Southern Motors, and found a link: <http://www.southernmotors.com/69ta.htm> The caption on the pages indicate that the car is a clone. They want $25K for it. -Bob San Jose, CA 1968 Convertible (I'm sure of it) bob.cisneros@Ebay.Sun.COM
(back) Subject: '69 Available in 3 weeks (was 1967&1968 Firebird Diecast) From: "Geoff Martin" <Geoff@firstgenfirebird.org> Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 17:54:10 -0500 FYI since I have not ordered anything from them before. I am ordering the '69 TA and 400 - Geoff <Geoff@FirstGenFirebird.org> Begin forward message: ---------------- Thanks buddy... The '99 is due at the same time. Here is a deal....'69 TA and '69 400 shipped together for $42.00...or all 3 (add the '99) for $55.00! Pass it on! (Tell 'em to tell me "Geoff sent me!") Jim Adkins www.egaad.com
(back) Subject: Re: Need front end HELP From: "Dennis Rolston" <hotroddr@juno.com> Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 15:01:58 -0800 you wrote- 6- I only have one horn located on the center hood latch support. I have two wire, 1 going to the center horn, and one located nearer the drivers side. Is there supposed to be 2 ? Where does the other one mount ? Thats correct.......at least as compared to mine. One horn is located on the passenger side on the center support. The other is located on the front of the radiator support, on the drivers side of the radiator opening at the top. Dennis ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.
(back) Subject: Re: Magazines From: "Shawn Jeppson" <sfjeppson@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 18:07:27 -0700 Way too many. High Preformance Pontiac Hot Rod Popular Hot Rodding Motor Trend Car and Driver Road & Track Popular Mechanics Automotive Engineering International Radio Control Car Action Kit Plane Super Chevy Kit Car The Family Handyman Car Craft I think that is all of them. Shawn 67 coupe Dean Larson wrote: > First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List > = ......................................................................... > All, > Wondering what car magazines everyone subscribes to. > Tks, > ~Dean Larson > '69 Sport Coupe >
(back) Subject: Shifter ? From: "Todd Chynoweth" <pinec@pitnet.net> Date: Fri, 4 Jan 1980 17:34:20 -0600 I was hoping some one could advise me on this, I just bought A Muncie shifter from Ebay, I have a Muncie 4 speed That = will be replacing the original 3 speed manual, The three speed shifter was mounted to the crossmember as will the Muncie shifter, I also will be putting a console in the car, Ok, I also have a hurst shifter that mounts to the transmission, It will be some time before I assemble the car so what are the = experiences of the list with the options I have, Is it necessary to use the Muncie shifter for correct placement through = the hole in the floor and console? Is the Muncie shifter good or bad? Did I over pay for the Muncie shifter $100.00? Is the Hurst mounted to the transmission going to be correctly placed in = the hole? Thank Todd C pinec@pitnet.net
(back) Subject: RE: Intro and link to parts From: "jttrettel" <jttrettel@onemain.com> Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 18:53:51 -0500 Keith, I live in Lancaster PA, not all that far from Phila. Once I get my car out of storage we should try to get some of the local guys together. To everyone else on the east coast, is anyone planning on going to the Car Show/Cruise in Ocean City, MD on May 16-19? It's always lots of fun and there are tons of cars, 3500+ last year. This could be a good place for everyone to gather for a get together. Justin -----Original Message----- From: Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com [mailto:Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com]On Behalf Of Keith Donmoyer Sent: Monday, February 26, 2001 9:05 AM To: Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com Subject: Intro and link to parts First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List .......................................................................... Justin, Where in PA are you located? There are a couple of us PA'ers here on the list. I am Phila area. Keith 68 H.O.
(back) Subject: Re: More Carb Questions From: <geebjen@att.net> Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 19:05:15 -0500 Those are pretty harsh words Tim. Jim Hand ran a 4000 lb station wagon into the low 12's with an iron intake and Q-Jet. I'd take the money you'd be spending on a performer carb and performer intake buy a q-jet and get a pro rebuild, then put it on top of your iron intake, which is at least as good as the performer (aside from the extra 10-15 lbs). You'd probably by at least $100 ahead. BTW, I've have 2 q-jets on pontiac iron intakes, neither leak, and both run great. However, if you choose to part with the iron intake, don't use it as a boat anchor, I'll pay your shipping to send it to me. Steve Lothridge
(back) Subject: Re: Subject: Re: More Carb Questions From: "marcts" <marcts@ga.prestige.net> Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 15:32:13 -0500 My advice would be to use that heavy iron intake for a boat anchor and get a performer intake. Then you can use the nice carb and not have to worry about fooling around with a leaky pos qjet. tim
(back) Subject: Re: Need front end HELP From: "Geoff Martin" <Geoff@firstgenfirebird.org> Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 20:13:04 -0500 For the '68, the dual horn was standard with custom interior and optional on standard. Dual Horns-Std. w/Cust. Trim - 414 '68 Options & Accessories http://FirstGenFirebird.org/firebird/1968/options.html Geoff '68 Mayfair Maize Firebird 350 Convertible <http://FirstGenFirebird.org/show/closeup.mv?CarID=3D46> <Geoff@FirstGenFirebird.org> >you wrote- >6- I only have one horn located on the center hood latch >support. I have two wire, 1 going to the center horn, and >one located nearer the drivers side. Is there supposed to be >2 ? Where does the other one mount ? > >Thats correct.......at least as compared to mine. One horn is located on >the passenger side on the center support. The other is located on the >front of the radiator support, on the drivers side of the radiator >opening at the top.
(back) Subject: Re: Subject: Re: More Carb Questions From: "John Wern" <jwern@charter.net> Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 20:36:29 -0500 If you put the 1406 on the Pontiac intake you need a plate that I just happen to have. It cost me $22.00 I'll let you have it for $5.00.In other words pay for shipping. It's from Mr Gasket part #1932 (I think) But it = is the correct one. Let me know. John. As far as the electric choke. = Dont buy the 1406 buy the 1405 it has manual choke and you can buy the choke cable (if you want) and you can run the cable from it through the fire = wall. I dont even have mine hooked up. Just my .02cents worth. John. -----Original Message----- From: shutup@pacbell.net <shutup@pacbell.net> To: First Generation Firebird-L <Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com> Date: Wednesday, February 28, 2001 1:34 PM Subject: Subject: Re: More Carb Questions >First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List >......................................................................... >Some more question about this Edelbrock carb #1406. >1)I've got the 350- 2bbl automatic in the car now , yet have a factory >4bbl intake from the right year that I picked up. How would it mate up >with this edelbrock carb. >2)The electric choke ,what did you wire it too? > > > >
(back) Subject: Re: Floorpans From: "John Clear" <jjclear@my-deja.com> Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 17:22:07 -0800 Roy, Thanks to you guys I got the correct pans that turn down. I am doing a = conv. I'm thinking that it would be better to go ahead and separate the = brace from the rocker panel and slide the pan in between the right way. = It's pretty rusted in there and I'll be able to clean it out. I'm only = doing one side at a time. I will also check out the archives . >Do a search in the archives. I've discussed the replacement of >floorpans = in detail. For my clarification, you mentioned, "The >original pans fit in = between these braces and rocker panel. I was >thinking about notching the = new pans to fit around the braces and >weld them up. ". Did you buy the = pans that turn down and are >intended to be welded along the rocker pinch = weld or the pan that >turns up along the rocker and is meant to be welded = on the top >inside the car? Also, you mentions a floor pan brace, are you = doing >a convertible? >Fill me in on some of the details and I'll try to help you along. >Roy ------------------------------------------------------------ --=3D=3D Sent via Deja.com =3D=3D-- http://www.deja.com/
(back) Subject: RE: 1969 Firebird Trans Am for sale. From: "Bryan & Mone' Young" <bryandmo@home.com> Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 17:26:30 -0800 does the word "clone" not mean it is not one of the originals? that is = what I thought. Still good looking though. Bryan -----Original Message----- From: Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com [mailto:Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com]On Behalf Of Bob Cisneros Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2001 2:52 PM To: Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com Subject: Re: 1969 Firebird Trans Am for sale. First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List .......................................................................... Tom Grzywacz writes: >I was at the Autorama here in Detroit on Sunday. I saw a white T/A with blue >T/A striping, spoiler..Detatils on window said it was 1 of 7 left...Had = R/A >pans, hood, and so on, tried to locate casting #'s on heads...none on = ports >that I could see in limited lighting. May be worth looking into. The VIN number would have been of the most help. While all of the 697 VINs are known, the 55 RA IV VINs are printed in Pete McCarthy's book Pontiac Muscle Car Performance 1955-1979. So are the 8 convertible VINs. >(John/Framair) The funny thing is I believe it was a convertible. Ha! I don't think I quite understand. This implies doubt about the car being a convertible? I just searched for Southern Motors, and found a link: <http://www.southernmotors.com/69ta.htm> The caption on the pages indicate that the car is a clone. They want $25K for it. -Bob San Jose, CA 1968 Convertible (I'm sure of it) bob.cisneros@Ebay.Sun.COM
(back) Subject: Re: Sprint Conversion From: "x1r1 x" <x1r1@hotmail.com> Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 17:31:31 -0800 Offenhauser dual port intake seems to be an excelent product, I have had excelent results using their Nissan manifold(mayve 25% faster with offy, header and Webber carb) Rowan >From: "Frank Zeller" <fzeller@tri-austin.com> >Jeff, > >I was looking through the JC Whitney catalog and noticed that they sell a = >Offy 4 bbl intake for a OHC Pontiac. It is setup for a square bore carb > > >Frank > > > > >>> FREYJ@mascorp.com 02/27/01 04:09PM >>> >First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List >......................................................................... >hello, i am new to the list. I am in process of converting my 1-bbl ohc = to >a sprint, using stock head, reground (H?) cam. and using a stock sprint >int/exh. > >is there an HEI distributor that will fit? if not any ideas for an = upgrade >to 1-bbl stock? > >is there a specific aftermarket carb that you have had good luck with? = i'm >considering using the edelbrock (old carter ASB style) squarebore, = because >I >can get a decent cfm (450ish) to match the car. the spreadbores are all >about 600-650 cfm, unless i spend bigger $. > >thanks for the help. - - jeff _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
(back) Subject: Re: More Exhaust and Carb Questions From: "x1r1 x" <x1r1@hotmail.com> Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 17:33:51 -0800 there are also mufflers with dual in, dual out. I don't know if that = would help you. Rowan >From: "Jeff Lane" <JeffLane32@hotmail.com> > >First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List >......................................................................... > Thanks for the input guys. I would then assume that these cars did = not >come with the crossover because of the single muffler design allowing the >exhaust pulses to - well, crossover? Those Pontiac engineers thought of >everything. I was just asking because I have dual exhaust system now with >twin Flowmasters and I'm not sure if I like the look from the rear - not = to >mention the noise. > >Thanks, Jeff. > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Joe Brown" <jb.pb@gte.net> >To: "First Generation Firebird-L" <Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com> >Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2001 10:42 PM >Subject: Re: More Exhaust and Carb Questions > > > > First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List > > >......................................................................... > > I would imagine that there is a performance muffler just design for = your > > purpose , probable with duels out back , I would not see the need for = a > > cross over pipe . I would bet not that Edelbrock electric choke 600 is > > calibrated different than a carb without . I had a Edlebrock 600 carb >and >it > > idle very rich , I called tech lines , bought calibration kit with = jets >and > > rods . I went back to a Holley . The only performance gain you would = get > > from a 750 cfm is better high rpm acceleration and a little more top >end, > > maybe 15 more hp and you can say (Yeah I am running a 750 cfm >Edlebrock ). > > Joe > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
(back) Subject: Tim dosen't like Q-jets From: <Studderin@aol.com> Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 20:41:31 EST In a message dated 2/28/2001 6:00:11 PM Eastern Daylight Time, marcts@ga.prestige.net writes: << My advice would be to use that heavy iron intake for a boat anchor and = get a performer intake. Then you can use the nice carb and not have to worry about fooling around with a leaky pos qjet. tim Tim, Why do you call a Q-jet a POS ??????????? There a very good carb, once you know a little about how they work a what everything dose. 24hr. epoxy takes care of leaky fuel well plugs. John Costello
(back) Subject: RE: More Carb Questions From: "Slobird" <marcts@ga.prestige.net> Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 20:49:27 -0500 Hey steve, I know I'm a little testy, I've got a woman here that is pissing me off...you know I figured I'd take it out on q'jets since violence against women isn't my style. Just kidding. (kindof) I know a lot of people have good luck with the qjets and iron intakes, but they do weigh a ton. I have a 68 intake from a 400 and a 73 intake from a 455 as well as both carbs. the 68 carb is a carter qjet. If anyone is really serious about wanting this stuff I will consider getting rid of it. The reason I have the 68 parts (i have the 400 motor as well from a 68 = bird) is because this leaky carb burned my friends 68 convert up. So he sold me the engine. It's just easier for some to put a new carb on an aluminum manifold than take chances, or have to rebuild a junkyard carb. Anyway, I've read all you've written about rear ends, timing, etc. and respect your opinion. Tim
(back) Subject: Redlines vs. RWL tires- opinions please? From: "bird" <bird@javanet.com> Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 20:58:10 -0500 Okay, gang, I am soliciting opinions. Redlines or raised white letter = tires for my 1967? The car is mariner turquoise, turquoise custom interior, black convertible = top. Right now, the car has 14x6 ralley II wheels on it with nice trim rings and Eagle GTII raised white letter radials. To see how it looks, you're welcome to go to www.photopoint.com and put in my email address, bird@javanet.com, and look in the 67 firebird folder. I like the way they = look a lot. The car came originally from the factory with steel wheels, redlines, and PMD hubcaps. I still have the steel wheels, and I have a set of orginal '67 wire disc wheels with PMD centers. And, I have the option of = acquiring a set of correct Firestone bias ply E70-14 redline tires. I'venever actually seen what that combination looks like on the car, and it's in storage for probably another month anyway. So what should I do? Obviously the radials will ride much better, but take that out of the picture. Let's talk aesthetics only. Which combination(s) would be best, and why? I'm trying to minimize the amount of wheel/tire swapping since I'll have to pay to have it done... Thanks for the input! 1. RWL with Rally IIs (ie. "as is") 2. RWL with wire PMD discs 3 Redlines with Rally II's 4. Redlines with wire PMD discs (closest to original)
(back) Subject: Re: Need front end HELP From: "x1r1 x" <x1r1@hotmail.com> Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 18:02:22 -0800 http://www.cruzers.com/~rowan/images/02%20yeah%20baby%20yeah!.JPG will take you to a picture of both horns mounted, you may have to crank up = the brightness. The harness runs in front of the radiator, on the underside of the upper part of the core support(hidden below the horizontal portion of the core support), and is held in place with 2 or 3 plastic clips which push into holes in the vertical part of the core support. Glad to hear you and the 'Bird were safely secured. Rock n Roll will never die! Rowan *68 >From: Chris Porter <fxstsb@pop.sttl.uswest.net> >First, made it through the 6.8 up here fine. More important, >The Bird ( up on jack stands ) made it too. Here's my >problem. The previous owner have "jimmy" rigged the whole >front end. Can some body tell me about the following : > >1- Does the wiring harness run on the top of the core >support ? >2- I'm missing ( I think ) the lower bracket ( ? ) that >supports the grills ( need one ) >3- Anybody got a lower valance for sale ? >4- Anybody got a front bumper for sale ? >5- Is there some kind of brace for the fender extension's ? >6- I only have one horn located on the center hood latch >support. I have two wire, 1 going to the center horn, and >one located nearer the drivers side. Is there supposed to be >2 ? Where does the other one mount ? > > >That's all for now, I'm sure there will be more in the >future..lol. Thanks, I really need the help. > > >Chris >`68 350 H.O. Drop-top > >P.S. Hugo, anything you have on that spare front end will >help. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
(back) Subject: Re: Magazines From: "Doug" <dcharnley@mediaone.net> Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 21:03:32 -0500 Muscle Car Review High Performance Pontiac Pontiac Enthusist Smoke Signals (POCI) John Wern wrote: > First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List > = ......................................................................... > CarCraft - High Performance Pontiac - > -----Original Message----- > From: Dean Larson <DLarson@IDENTIFIX.com> > To: 'Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com' = <Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com> > Date: Tuesday, February 27, 2001 7:52 PM > Subject: Magazines > > >First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List > = >......................................................................... > >All, > >Wondering what car magazines everyone subscribes to. > >Tks, > >~Dean Larson > >'69 Sport Coupe > > > > >
(back) Subject: Blower From: <FB1967428@aol.com> Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 21:08:01 EST Any one have all or part of a blower set up for a Pontiac. I want to take = my 67 bird flying. Thanks