First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List "Before" photos by "David Learner" <davidlearner@yahoo.com> 6 OHC Oil pump by "Jeff Frey" <FREYJ@mascorp.com> Re: 1969 Firebird power antenna by <Framair@aol.com> 6 OHC Trans Swap by "Jeff Frey" <FREYJ@mascorp.com> Re: Starter shims? by <Studderin@aol.com> speedometer/odometer question by <T2AVLIS@aol.com> OHC piston information help by "Steve Stinefelt" <stevestinefelt@hawaii.rr.com> Re: updated photos by "matt schmid" <schmidmj@hotmail.com> Re: Fuel slosh/ Jason Maynard by "matt schmid" <schmidmj@hotmail.com> Sprint for Sale by "Keith Donmoyer" <kadonny@hotmail.com> Re: updated photos by "Keith Donmoyer" <kadonny@hotmail.com> RE: Firebird-L Digest #1852 by "Brett Luikkonen" <brett@cisdirect.com> 15" Rally II pics by "Trimpe, Bob" <TrimpeB@rajones.com> RE Overheating now choking by "Robert Shannon" <bshannon67@hotmail.com> RE: `68 console clock, repiar/parts by "Trimpe, Bob" <TrimpeB@rajones.com> Re: Tach Hook-up to HEI by "Brian Sargent" <bjsbird1@yahoo.com> Re: Updated Project by "Dereck Kowalski" <dakowals@mtu.edu> Sealers and caulkings by "Gary Patrick" <Gary@tcworks.net> RE: 1969 Firebird power antenna by "Stephen Schuneman" <sschuneman@cox.rr.com> Re: 1969 Firebird power antenna by "ROY D LUMSDEN" <rlumsden@tampabay.rr.com> Long Island by "Mace" <macef@optonline.net> Re: speedometer/odometer question by <hugoba@apcom.com> RE: front end rebuild advice and best way to drop 2 " check this out!! by "Mace" <macef@optonline.net> HO stripes... by "Chris Porter" <fxstsb@qwest.net> Sprint car trany ? by "Chris Porter" <fxstsb@qwest.net> 67 rear cocktail shakers by "Charlie & Rose Huntington" <badgoat@gwi.net> Re: speedometer/odometer question by "Ronsoy" <Ronsoy@bellsouth.net>
(back) Subject: "Before" photos From: "David Learner" <davidlearner@yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 19:27:26 -0700 (PDT) Just got back a roll of film and posted three pictures of the "car in a barn" I bought about a month ago. All I had done when these were taken was to wash off about five years of accumulated grime. As you can tell, about all the exterior needs is a good compounding and wax, which my son and his friends have begun. After these pictures were taken, I pulled it into the garage and disassembled the brakes and front suspension. Now that the control arms, steering knuckles and backing plates have been sandblasted and painted, it's time to reassemble with polyurethane control arm bushings and all new ball joints, tie rod ends, pitman arm, idler arm, brake linings, brake hardware, steel brake lines, rubber brake lines, master cylinder. Got all the parts on hand now, and have completed all press work, so its just a matter of a couple of evenings to pull it all back together. Then a trip to the local alignment shop and muffler shop and hopefully it will be good to go cruising (unless there are some drivetrain surprises in store). I know all this may be overkill, but I thought it would be good to be sure the car will steer and stop well, considering the 455 up front and my tendency to drive hard once in a while :). Anyway, the link is: http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=3D1637262&a=3D12526325 I hope to post some updated pictures later, but just wanted to share what I have so far. Later, David Learner __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/
(back) Subject: 6 OHC Oil pump From: "Jeff Frey" <FREYJ@mascorp.com> Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 19:30:35 -0700 I now have an oiling problem. Is there a good source for rebuilt or new 6 OHC oil pumps. Do these need to be custom rebuilt? Thanks, Jeff
(back) Subject: Re: 1969 Firebird power antenna From: <Framair@aol.com> Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 22:31:16 EDT 1969 Firebird... Power Antenna 1st year for this option.... controlled with the dash toggle switch. John FRamair@aol.com Semper Fi Ephesians 4:32
(back) Subject: 6 OHC Trans Swap From: "Jeff Frey" <FREYJ@mascorp.com> Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 19:32:52 -0700 I am still wondering which way to go. I asked about new ATs lat time. = Has anyone had good luck swapping the Turboglide for a 4-sp manual? Is the = bolt up of pedals, linkage, etc... any prob? Thanks, Jeff
(back) Subject: Re: Starter shims? From: <Studderin@aol.com> Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 22:43:34 EDT In a message dated 4/9/2001 10:34:10 AM Eastern Daylight Time, fzeller@tri-austin.com writes: << When I mount a new starter on a Pontiac engine do I need to shim it like the chevy guys do? If so, how is the procedure? >> My dad told me this once and it has always worked without any spacing problems ever. Out of about 5 times I've used it's and 15+ years he has = too. With the inspection cover off and the started tightened down with your = guess on the amount shims needed. You should be able to fit the shank of a drill = between the teeth the flywheel/flexplate and the shaft at the end of the started that the cracking gear slides out to engage, and retracts after = the motor is running. Only thing is I don't remember the size to use as a gauge. If anyone = else knows please remind me. I should be able to find out in a day. or two. = Better yet I'll check a few motors on tues or weds. John Costello
(back) Subject: speedometer/odometer question From: <T2AVLIS@aol.com> Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 23:24:14 EDT My speedo works but the odometer doesn't. Is this something that I can = fix or should I look for a different speedo. If so does anyone have one for = sale. Tony 69 conv
(back) Subject: OHC piston information help From: "Steve Stinefelt" <stevestinefelt@hawaii.rr.com> Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 17:43:18 -1000 Help! I'm about to change the piston rings on my '68 Sprint Firebird with an original, never opened up ZD engine (10.5-1 compression) and I'm in = need of some important info. A few of the mail order parts houses I usually = deal with have told me that there are listings for two different ring sets for = my car. One of them has a 1/16" top ring. The other has a 5/64" top ring. Does anyone out there know which one I should have? Or do I have to open = it up first and measure it to find out? I was hoping to already have the = parts on hand before I open up the motor. Thanks for your help!! Steve '68 Sprint 4-spd
(back) Subject: Re: updated photos From: "matt schmid" <schmidmj@hotmail.com> Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 04:51:55 Don't worry if I didn't have a sense of humor, I wouldn't have any sense = at all. ;) Since I don't even own a house right now I'm lucky to have that crawl = space to put the car in. Considering the parents really were frowning upon the fact that I was going to throw my money into (in their words) "an old = peice of junk" it could have been worse. But I digress, you live with what life gives you. That's a kick ass bird you got and a sweet garage, one day I tell you, one = day, I'll have mine and then we'll see who's laughing. Anyway, thanks for the wake up kick in the groin, just be glad I'm a = rather jolly person at heart. I'll be sure and tell my parents that they need to get a "real" garage :) hehe Matt 68 350 coupe P.S. Keith, don't worry I'm sure there's plenty on the list that will take = some jabs too, Hugo had a pretty good one, I actually found it very = amusing. >From: "Keith Donmoyer" <kadonny@hotmail.com> >Reply-To: "First Generation Firebird-L" = <Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com> >To: Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com >Subject: updated photos >Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 17:29:43 -0400 > >First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List >......................................................................... >Matt, > >Great pics. Do you have room to change your mind in that garage??? >(Sorry, >I just couldn't resist since you already brought it up) You wanna see a >real >garage, go to my page > >www.geocities.com/kldonny/ > >Matt, I hope you have a good sense of humor, I do it only in fun. In >reality, you are lucky to have the car stored in any indoor space, I = have >seen way to many cars exposed to the harsh elements 24/7 and that really >depresses me. > >Keith >68 H.O. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
(back) Subject: Re: Fuel slosh/ Jason Maynard From: "matt schmid" <schmidmj@hotmail.com> Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 04:59:34 Maybe they should try making the gas tank like a nitrogen filled = accumulator simmilar to what they have in hydraulics, you wouldn't ever have to worry about pump cavitation either. Of course, I doubt they could find any material that gasoline doesn't eat through for the bladder. Just a = thought. Matt 68 350 coupe >From: "x1r1 x" <x1r1@hotmail.com> >Reply-To: "First Generation Firebird-L" = <Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com> >To: Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com >Subject: Fuel slosh/ Jason Maynard >Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 13:10:30 -0700 > >First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List >......................................................................... >It is common for EFI converted cars to run out of gas in the corners due = to >tank design and the lack of a float bowl for reserve. I'm wondering if >anyone has come up with a solution for that besides 'go buy an 18 gallon >fuel cell'. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
(back) Subject: Sprint for Sale From: "Keith Donmoyer" <kadonny@hotmail.com> Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 09:21:19 -0400 For anyone intersted, I read the following classified ad in the = Philadelphia inquirer this morning: For sale, 68 Firebird Convert, rare sprint 6 cyl., auto, ps, many new = parts, must sell. $7500 obo. 856-795-7502 Looks like car is in Mid to North NJ based on area code. I have not = called nor know of any more info on car. Just rare to see a Sprint for sale. Keith 68 H.O. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
(back) Subject: Re: updated photos From: "Keith Donmoyer" <kadonny@hotmail.com> Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 10:04:52 -0400 Hugo, I like that one. Never heard it before, always willing to learn something = new each day, especially when it is a joke. Keith 68 H.O. Subject: Re: updated photos From: <hugoba@apcom.com> Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 16:07:50 -0700 (PDT) It's one of those German garages, gut'ntight ;-) Car's lookin good. Hugo _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
(back) Subject: RE: Firebird-L Digest #1852 From: "Brett Luikkonen" <brett@cisdirect.com> Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 07:36:41 -0500 Hugo, sounds to me like Wayne may have been addressing my "Extra EGR Prot" problem. If not, it sounds like this would be a good solution to filling this extra dead space in the head... no chance for an exhaust leak. If so, thanks for the suggestion Wayne - Brett -The shims are ok but there is a easier more permit solution several people in my local club have used. Buy a box of BB's. Nearly fill the holes with the BB's leaving 1/4 inch to the surface and fill with the remainder with JB weld. Sand to level. Works like a charm an you only have to mess with it once. Wayne TX
(back) Subject: 15" Rally II pics From: "Trimpe, Bob" <TrimpeB@rajones.com> Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 11:29:46 -0400 HI everyone, I've been away on business (Germany) and I missed my daily dose of = Firebird L. Here are some pics of my 15x7" rally II wheels I just got done painting: http://albums.photopoint.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3D574120&a=3D4193633&p=3D4624670= 4&f=3D0 http://albums.photopoint.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3D574120&a=3D4193633&p=3D4624671= 1 BTW, I got a note from Photopoint (where these are stored) telling me that photo archiving will no longer be a free service. Before I ante up the = money to buy the service from them, what photo storage sites are you guys using? (I don't have a webpage) Regards, Bob Trimpe
(back) Subject: RE Overheating now choking From: "Robert Shannon" <bshannon67@hotmail.com> Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 08:31:13 -0700 I should clarify. The car really hasn't sat for too long so I didn't jump = for flushing the radiator just yet. Instead I took off the thermostat so = I could drive the car around and see if it would overheat again. I knew it wasn't just a faulty light since the engine comparment was getting quite = hot lately. Anyway I did this yesterday and while driving it I had another issue that I think could be related or at least affecting each other that = I would like to fix first. I recently tuned the car and set timing, dwell, idle etc... well I must have not done a great job because often the car would start to die if I wasn't giving it gas. (it got to the point where = I had to brake with my left and rev with my right foot while putting the = auto in nuetral. When I would give it gas it seemed to run REAL hard. Either way I approached it, it seemed to choke to death. I had a friend of mine tune it up by ear at his shop (figures it had no problems there) It seemed = to be fine for a day or so then it sat a little. Well yesterday it has started again. I can't figure out why. Any ideas. Am I just really bad = at tuning? I thought the choke was stuck or something but it was fully open. = What should I do next? Thanks for all the help. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
(back) Subject: RE: `68 console clock, repiar/parts From: "Trimpe, Bob" <TrimpeB@rajones.com> Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 11:39:04 -0400 Chris, If you want to see the results of a stripe kit, look here: http://albums.photopoint.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3D574120&a=3D7861332&p=3D3492235= 1&f=3D0 http://albums.photopoint.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=3D574120&a=3D7861332&p=3D3492234= 7&f=3D0 I did this one myself, and I am pleased! Bob Trimpe
(back) Subject: Re: Tach Hook-up to HEI From: "Brian Sargent" <bjsbird1@yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 08:53:11 -0700 (PDT) OK Mike, I'll try to give help on the Tach. I just picked mine up and had the guy hook it up so that I could see it work. 3 wires. one to tach terminal on HEI dist. one to ground. and one to a switched 12v for tach lights. Do you need wire colors? I understand that it must be an after market tach. Brian 69 conv. --- x1r1 x <x1r1@hotmail.com> wrote: > First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List > .......................................................................... > Hehe > you'd think at 50 MPH in Michigan, cooling would not > be a problem, but the > ONLY time my Caprice overheated was in a snowstorm > in Utah...go figure. > I'd suggest; > thermostat hanging up > weak water pump (if the shaft can be wiggld by hand, > replace it) > clogged radiator (run it , then shut down and feel > it from the from the > front, the whole thing should be about the same > temp.) > Excess mechanical resistance(e brake frozen,etc.) > *heats up as you drive over 50mph,* A thermostat > will usualy spike fairly > high (maybe 10f above rated temp) before opening the > first time, so if your > temp goes up to 210 for a minute, then drops down to > 160 as the 'stat gulps > some more cold from the radiator, climbs to a steady > 180-200 that should be > normal. > > there is much discussion of the hoodtach HEI in the > archives, maybe even the > FAQ. It can be done fairly easy, but I don't have a > Hoodtach. > %.02 Rowan *68 > > > >From: "Mike In Michigan" <rockster37@hotmail.com> > > >Here is something a little different for everyone, > my car heats up as you > >drive over 50mph, but it can idle all day long in > over 100=B0 heat and stay > >cool as a cucumber, why is that? Also, how hard is > it to hook up a hood > >tach to HEI ingnition, any help me? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/
(back) Subject: Re: Updated Project From: "Dereck Kowalski" <dakowals@mtu.edu> Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 15:44:36 -0700 Thanks for all the support... this is the never-ending project. I will have some more photos up by next weekend, a lot more has been done since I put the last set of photos up. Dereck
(back) Subject: Sealers and caulkings From: "Gary Patrick" <Gary@tcworks.net> Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 17:19:02 -0400 Subject: Re: Adhesives/Caulking From: "Geoff Martin" <Geoff@firstgenfirebird.org> Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 15:43:06 -0400 Funny someone else mentions the RV industry as a source for the caulk since that is exactly where we got the caulk for my interior restore. We also found the dark/black caulk from the RV plant (Dad worked for Fleetwood) to use on the floor board areas. Someone asked about the caulk around the kick panels too. It is a grey clay like substance. It can be purchased at any electrical supply house and some Home Depots under the name Duxseal. It is sold in one and 5 lb clumps. 5 lb will do everything on a car that the factory did. This is very critical on the kick panels as rain will seep in if not properly sealed. For most of the other sealers visit an a/c supply house. they have various sealers in rope form to seal metal ductwork . Most can be shaped to any form or size. I keep various types in a 5 gal bucket as variety sometimes helps. Gary
(back) Subject: RE: 1969 Firebird power antenna From: "Stephen Schuneman" <sschuneman@cox.rr.com> Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 18:07:03 -0400 Rich, Ref: Subject: 1969 Firebird power antenna Was there an option for a power antenna in 1969? Was it controlled by the radio or a separate switch (much like the power top switch on a convertible)? Yes, the 69 Firebird had the power antenna option, and it usually was installed in the right rear fender with the motor in the trunk. The = up-down switch was on the dash inline vertically with the power top switch. The switch provided power to the motor that allowed it to run in the desired direction (a hot wire ran to the switch and two wires ran from the switch = to the antenna motor.) Ground was supplied through the frame. You can have the power antenna mounted in the right front fender where the stationary antenna is located, but I've not seen one. Hope this helps. Steve Schuneman 1969 350 Windward Blue Convertible with white top. (703) 620-2161
(back) Subject: Re: 1969 Firebird power antenna From: "ROY D LUMSDEN" <rlumsden@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 18:33:05 -0400 Separate switch. It was located on the dash next to the power top switch. Roy ----- Original Message ----- From: <E21pilot@aol.com> To: <Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com> Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 8:18 PM Subject: 1969 Firebird power antenna > First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List > = ......................................................................... > Was there an option for a power antenna in 1969? Was it controlled by = the radio or a separate switch (much like the power top switch on a convertible)? > > Thanks, > > Rich W. > > >
(back) Subject: Long Island From: "Mace" <macef@optonline.net> Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 19:19:12 -0400 Are there any list members that live in Long Island New York. I would like to get a "Get Together" going. I thought that now that the nice weather is here some people would like to get together and show off all of their hard winters work Mace 69 355 Drop-Top
(back) Subject: Re: speedometer/odometer question From: <hugoba@apcom.com> Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 16:31:21 -0700 (PDT) Mine too! Luckily I have one from my 69 coupe that i yanked out since it won't need = one at the drag strip ;-) You can send it in to have it repaired but it's probably cheaper to find a replacement (maybe upgrade to rally guages). Hugo > From Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com Tue Apr 10 15:52:02 2001 > From: T2AVLIS@aol.com > Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 23:24:14 EDT > Subject: speedometer/odometer question > To: Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List > = ......................................................................... > My speedo works but the odometer doesn't. Is this something that I can = fix > or should I look for a different speedo. If so does anyone have one for = sale. > > Tony > 69 conv >
(back) Subject: RE: front end rebuild advice and best way to drop 2 " check this out!! From: "Mace" <macef@optonline.net> Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 19:45:29 -0400 Brad, I just got off of the phone with Classic Performance. I gave you some incorrect information. I just ordered the 2" drop spindle setup for my 69. "You must have no more than 3.50" of backspacing on the front rims. There = is no way around this other than using spacers which I would not reccommend = to my x-fiance...well maybe I would.... Mace 69 355 Drop-Top
(back) Subject: HO stripes... From: "Chris Porter" <fxstsb@qwest.net> Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 16:48:34 -0700 Bob, that look's swweeet ! Was it very hard ? Any tip's ? My front stripe is almost 12" longer than the front fender, was your's this way as well ? Where did you purchase them ? Looking forward to warmer weather so I can install them. Chris `68 350 H.O. Drop-top
(back) Subject: Sprint car trany ? From: "Chris Porter" <fxstsb@qwest.net> Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 16:59:57 -0700 I was under the impression that all Sprint car's where manual's. Is this correct ? Or could you get an auto ? Chris `68 350 H.O. Drop-top
(back) Subject: 67 rear cocktail shakers From: "Charlie & Rose Huntington" <badgoat@gwi.net> Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 19:59:19 -0400 I have an extra set of 67 rear cocktail shakers for a convertible. = They're sandblasted etch primed and painted black. Just bolt them in and hit with = a little spatter paint. I bought an whole set to get the front ones. $95 plus shipping. Check out www.badgoat.net
(back) Subject: Re: speedometer/odometer question From: "Ronsoy" <Ronsoy@bellsouth.net> Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 21:05:32 -0400 Consider your self lucky Tony. Only kidding! RonMan...Any speedo shop should be able to fix the drive gear. ----- Original Message ----- From: <T2AVLIS@aol.com> To: <Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com> Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 11:24 PM Subject: speedometer/odometer question > First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List > = ......................................................................... > My speedo works but the odometer doesn't. Is this something that I can fix > or should I look for a different speedo. If so does anyone have one for sale. > > Tony > 69 conv > > >