First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List FW: 1968 Pontiac 400 Firebird by "Brett Luikkonen" <brett@cisdirect.com> Someone else but me from Sweden?? by "Roger Andersson" <u92109186@telia.com> RE: Sway Bar Kits by "Trimpe, Bob" <TrimpeB@rajones.com> P-O-N-T-I-A-C template... by "Brett Luikkonen" <brett@cisdirect.com> Re: Manuals by "matt schmid" <schmidmj@hotmail.com> RE: 67 326 Rebuild by "bird@mail.javanet.com" <bird@mail.javanet.com> RE: Voltage Reg. mounting by "Rodger Fromm" <rwfromm@nf.sympatico.ca> Re: 1969 Firebird power antenna by "Frank Zeller" <fzeller@tri-austin.com> (no subject) by <hugoba@apcom.com> Re: Got it running but.... by "matt schmid" <schmidmj@hotmail.com> Re: Carb Selection by "Craig" <coreman@uniserve.com> Re: Manuals by "Michael Howell" <fishgod@iglou.com> Voltage Regulator Capacitor by "Chris Porter" <fxstsb@qwest.net> RE: 67 326 Rebuild by <hugoba@apcom.com> 700r4 in 67 coupe by "Provost, Marty" <MProvost@LiquidGolf.com> Ford 9" in 67 Coupe by "Provost, Marty" <MProvost@LiquidGolf.com> Re: Got it running but.... by "marcts" <marcts@ga.prestige.net> More on voltage regulator mounting by "Steve Miller" <sjmiller@us.ibm.com> RE: hood tach location by "Trimpe, Bob" <TrimpeB@rajones.com> RE: Carb Selection by "Trimpe, Bob" <TrimpeB@rajones.com> Re: Ford 9" in 67 Coupe by "Frank Zeller" <fzeller@tri-austin.com> RE: Carb Selection by "x1r1 x" <x1r1@hotmail.com>
(back) Subject: FW: 1968 Pontiac 400 Firebird From: "Brett Luikkonen" <brett@cisdirect.com> Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 06:07:13 -0500 Here is a car for sale I think in British Columbia, Victoria B.C. North of Seattle... Look at the pictures from the link, If anyone is interested contact the owner for more info! - Brett -----Original Message----- For more information contact: wz297@victoria.tc.ca mailto:wz297@victoria.tc.ca 1968 Pontiac 400 Firebird (automatic transmission) 2 motors: Original in storage and needs to be rebuilt. (Matching Numbers) Motor that is in the car is also a 400. It has been done up a bit with a new performer series Edelbrock carb, Edelbrock intake manifold, shift kit = in transmission, Carter performance fuel pump, and some cam work done as = well. Comes with the following: Two motors New carpet (not installed) Rear spoiler (not installed) Car cover Original Air filter Original Carb. Original Radio (not installed), plus Sony CD player/radio currently installed Ungo alarm system Material to recover both front seats. (Drivers side seat needs to be recovered, small tear) Inside cushions for both seats. All papers and receipts (complete history of the car) Replacement front bumper emblem Many more bits and pieces http://www.victoria.tc.ca/~wz297/firebird for photos Taking serious offers only. This car is in mint condition and could be done completely up to stock = with minimal work.
(back) Subject: Someone else but me from Sweden?? From: "Roger Andersson" <u92109186@telia.com> Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 15:29:41 +0200 Hello! I=B4m Roger Andersson and is living in Sweden! Is it anyone else but me in this mailing list who is from Sweden? I have heritage a restoration object, a 68 Firebird, for a couple of years ago and I will try to restore it with a start later this year. Regards Roger Andersson Boden, Sweden
(back) Subject: RE: Sway Bar Kits From: "Trimpe, Bob" <TrimpeB@rajones.com> Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 09:52:17 -0400 Rowan, I would like to see some pics if you can post them. Thanks, Bob Trimpe Subject: Re: Sway Bar Kits First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List .......................................................................... I used a stock rear bar from a 67-78 Nova clone with second en camaro endlinks, but this necessitated creating a custom bracket at the top. it is about as thick as my pinkie, and does not overpower the stock front bar or make the ride harsh, but makes the car feel smaller and lighter. = not ultrahigh performance, but a good upgrade for the money $16 used. I can send you a few pictures if you like(or post if somone has space). a nice feature of this bar is it does not reduce ground clearance. My next suspension adjustments will be to swap the KYBs in back for some softer airshocks, and upgrade to a stiffer front swaybar, as the nose = dives into corners at almost double the recomended speed(yellow sign). The front = seems pretty adequate, then suddenly is overcome by body roll but only at high speeds. Rowan
(back) Subject: P-O-N-T-I-A-C template... From: "Brett Luikkonen" <brett@cisdirect.com> Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 07:13:00 -0500 Paul, I would also be interested in some kind of a template of the Pontiac lettering for the deck lid... would it be too much to ask if I could get a copy also? I could send you a few bucks for your time and trouble? Or If I can find some more of the Johnny Lightning 67 firebirds, I could send you one... or we could come up with something? Brett in Seattle - 67 Drop Top 455! Brett Liukkonen 31502 2nd Ct. So. Federal Way, WA. 98003 (253) 941-1884
(back) Subject: Re: Manuals From: "matt schmid" <schmidmj@hotmail.com> Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 14:15:39 Where do I get the Pontiac service manual? Is it sold in advanced auto, = Napa etc, or do I have to go online or how exactly do I get it. It seems as though I could really use it. Matt >From: "Trimpe, Bob" <TrimpeB@rajones.com> >Reply-To: "First Generation Firebird-L" = <Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com> >To: "'Firebird list: post a message'" <Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com> >Subject: Manuals >Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 08:16:25 -0400 > >First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List >......................................................................... >John Wern, > >I gotta agree with your take on the quality of the Chilton's manual. I >started my Firebird journey with that book, and I took a few blind alleys = >as >a result. I bought the Pontiac service manual, and its been right every >time. This list seems to be the court of appeals, though! These guys know >the trick that even Pontiac didn't put in the book. > >(One thing I keep the Chilton's around for is the vacuum diagrams) > >Bob Trimpe > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
(back) Subject: RE: 67 326 Rebuild From: "bird@mail.javanet.com" <bird@mail.javanet.com> Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 10:22:58 -0400 Jim - if you email me privately off the list I can get you the photos you = want. I have a photo of my engine posted at photopoint but it has the air = cleaner cover on it, blocking your view of the carb etc. You can check it = out at www.photopoint.com, put in my email address (bird@javanet.com) and = look under "67 Firebird". My '67 fshould be coming out of storage = shortly and I can take a quick digital pic and get it off you you if you = like. Dan Kagan 1992 Firebird convertible 1967 Firebird convertible bird@javanet.com Subject: 67 326 rebuild From: "Jim Miller" <jimdmi@kcdata.com> Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 20:19:13 -0500 Well, I about finished with my 326 rebuild and about to put it back into = the car. I need a little help. Does anyone have any pics of the top of the motor. Say the carb/intake/distributor area. Just looking for the = correct plumbing of vacumm lines, spark plug wires, distributor/coil location Ect. Thought I had pics of that area before removal but I was wrong. Any help wpould be great. Jim Miller 67 Convertable. -------------------------------------------------------------------- Mail2Web - Check your email from the web at http://www.mail2web.com/ .
(back) Subject: RE: Voltage Reg. mounting From: "Rodger Fromm" <rwfromm@nf.sympatico.ca> Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 12:07:04 -0230 Yes there are rubber bushings on it, my 68 had them anyway and it had a SEPERATE ground wire, i had to reuse the rubber on the new one. Works great. Rodger -----Original Message----- From: Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com [mailto:Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com]On Behalf Of John Moore Sent: Monday, April 16, 2001 12:35 AM To: First Generation Firebird-L Subject: Re: Voltage Reg. mounting First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List .......................................................................... Metal to metal. It has to ground. > = ......................................................................... > Is the voltage regulator supposed to be mounted directly > to the core support, or are they supposed to have the > collapsible rubber bushing's between them ?
(back) Subject: Re: 1969 Firebird power antenna From: "Frank Zeller" <fzeller@tri-austin.com> Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 10:26:20 -0500 SEE FTP LINKS :0) ftp://austin.user:tri.austin@63.127.14.100/FTZ/Pontiac/antennapic.jpg ftp://austin.user:tri.austin@63.127.14.100/FTZ/Pontiac/ACCS.jpg ftp://austin.user:tri.austin@63.127.14.100/FTZ/Pontiac/antenna.JPG >>> E21pilot@aol.com 04/09/01 07:18PM >>> First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List .......................................................................... Was there an option for a power antenna in 1969? Was it controlled by the = radio or a separate switch (much like the power top switch on a = convertible)? Thanks, Rich W.
(back) Subject: From: <hugoba@apcom.com> Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 08:28:37 -0700 (PDT) I bought some at a local rear end place when I did the Vista Cruiser. Same bolts. Hugo > From Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com Mon Apr 16 06:09:01 2001 > From: "Jason Rogers" <jason.rogers@york.com> > To: "First Generation Firebird-L" <Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com> > Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 08:48:43 -0400 > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > X-Priority: 3 (Normal) > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 > Importance: Normal > > First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List > = ......................................................................... > I am putting new pressed on axle bearing on my 67' axles. There are 4 = bolts > with flat oval shaped heads that hold the backing plates to the axle = tubes. > Anyone know where I can get these bolts and nuts? I had to cut one off. > > Thanks, > Jason > >
(back) Subject: Re: Got it running but.... From: "matt schmid" <schmidmj@hotmail.com> Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 15:34:02 >Congrats! >Dwell set @ 30-32 degrees? Not sure how to do that... >fuel filter new? It was in good condition... >choke not stuck shut? manual choke, wide open >If it took a long time to prime the carb, fuel pump output could be low. maybe, don't know, could it be the carb is not tuned properly, fuel bowl not set right, or running too lean, what would take so much power away? >Advance mechanism move smoothly? Not sure about the advance mechanism, that is one question I had, would it run well with no load if the advance mechanism isn't working properly, and how do I check the advance? >could it be the car just wsn't up to temperature yet? Car was hot, ran it for 10 or so minutes before taking her on the street. >If you don't use the emission stuff, you typicaly get poor driveability >cold. >anyway, ther are a few things to try. >Rowan > What else could it be?? Anything in the transmission (I hope not) risking sounding totally clueless...Does the transmission shift only by the vacuum modulator or is it supposed to have linkages on the carb?? Matt 68 350 coupe >>Hey gang, I finally got my car started yesterday. It took awhile to get >>the >>timing right (well maybe right) and the fuel lines full and the actual >>wiring correct but I think it went pretty good. I got it running and it >>sounded good when it was in park, I had good throttle response and it >>sounded like it was sucking the air in real well (there was one valve that >>sounded like it might need adjustment). The problem was, once I put it in >>drive and drove around the block, I had no power whatsoever and the >>throttle >>response went to crap. Does anyone have any idea what the problem could >>be? >>I'm spent, with my limited knowledge I can't seem to figure it out? The >>car >>is an automatic, and I just put a new Holley 4bbl on it. Thanks. >> >>Matt >> _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
(back) Subject: Re: Carb Selection From: "Craig" <coreman@uniserve.com> Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 08:45:54 -0700 I need the top plate for a 2V carb, mine has stripped fuel line threads Craig Jim Miller wrote: > First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List > = ......................................................................... > I just rebuilt my 326 for my 67. I bought a 4 bbl. performer manifold > switching from a 2 bbl. I need to purchase a carb. I was looking at an > Edlebrock 650 carb but was wondering what the group thought. This is = for > strret use only. I would probably want some type of choke. Probably > electric. Any suggestions? > >
(back) Subject: Re: Manuals From: "Michael Howell" <fishgod@iglou.com> Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 11:47:38 -0400 Matt- you can find them on eBay often... like this reproduction: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D1133073334 Or you can probably get a really nice reproduction from Crank'en Hope Publications. I've bought several manuals from them and been pleased with = the quality. Crank'en Hope Publications 401 Sloan Alley Blairsville, PA 15717-1481 724-459-8853 You can also get the Fisher Body manual... http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D1133347647 Mike At 02:15 PM 4/16/2001 +0000, you wrote: >First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List >......................................................................... >Where do I get the Pontiac service manual? Is it sold in advanced auto, >Napa etc, or do I have to go online or how exactly do I get it. It seems >as though I could really use it. > >Matt
(back) Subject: Voltage Regulator Capacitor From: "Chris Porter" <fxstsb@qwest.net> Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 08:50:14 -0700 Anybody have an extra voltage regulator capacitor for a `68 for sale ? On the question regarding mounting the regulator. I'm ass-u-ming some were rubber mounted, and some were not ? I know I can get the rubber piece's from GM ( just got some for my `71 Chev 4 X 4, last year ), but should I ? Thanks again all ! Chris `68 350 H.O. Drop-top
(back) Subject: RE: 67 326 Rebuild From: <hugoba@apcom.com> Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 09:01:17 -0700 (PDT) My digital camera is screwed up right now otherwise I'd take some = pictures. Hugo > From Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com Mon Apr 16 08:13:57 2001 > X-Originating-IP: 216.252.47.235 > X-URL: http://www.mail2web.com/ > Subject: RE: 67 326 Rebuild > From: "bird@mail.javanet.com" <bird@mail.javanet.com> > Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 10:22:58 -0400 > To: "Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com" = <Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com> > X-Priority: 3 > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > X-MIME-Autoconverted: from Quoted-Printable to 8bit by = mx1.daemonmail.net > id f3GENTE31676 > > First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List > = ......................................................................... > Jim - if you email me privately off the list I can get you the photos = you want. I have a photo of my engine posted at photopoint but it has the = air cleaner cover on it, blocking your view of the carb etc. You can = check it out at www.photopoint.com, put in my email address = (bird@javanet.com) and look under "67 Firebird". My '67 fshould be = coming out of storage shortly and I can take a quick digital pic and get = it off you you if you like. > > Dan Kagan > 1992 Firebird convertible > 1967 Firebird convertible > bird@javanet.com > > Subject: 67 326 rebuild > From: "Jim Miller" <jimdmi@kcdata.com> > Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 20:19:13 -0500 > > Well, I about finished with my 326 rebuild and about to put it back into = the > car. I need a little help. Does anyone have any pics of the top of the > motor. Say the carb/intake/distributor area. Just looking for the = correct > plumbing of vacumm lines, spark plug wires, distributor/coil location = Ect. > Thought I had pics of that area before removal but I was wrong. Any = help > wpould be great. Jim Miller 67 Convertable. > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > Mail2Web - Check your email from the web at > http://www.mail2web.com/ . > >
(back) Subject: 700r4 in 67 coupe From: "Provost, Marty" <MProvost@LiquidGolf.com> Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 13:10:24 -0400 Picked up a 700r4 this weekend that was in a 88 Trans Am! I'm looking for any tips, advice, experiences, gotchas, etc. regarding installing/running this in my 67 coupe with a 455. I'd like to add that you guys have been an amazing source of information = and help. I still have a long way to go before my bird is on the road but I'd be much further behind if it wasn't for this list. Thanks as always! -Marty
(back) Subject: Ford 9" in 67 Coupe From: "Provost, Marty" <MProvost@LiquidGolf.com> Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 13:17:30 -0400 I had another great find this weekend, a Ford 9" rearend out of a 78 = Mercury Grand Marquis with only 50k miles. I have to have the ratio changed at the very least as the current is 2.40, but what else should I have done or look for? I haven't had time to do = much research on the Ford 9" and I apologize for my ignorance in advance. Do they have posi or limited slip or can you have it added? This will be behind a 455 and a 700r4. I know that I will have to have the brackets taken off my current rearend and welded on this because it had coil = springs not leaf. I'm just not sure what else will be involved. Looking forward to tips, advice, experiences, gotchas, etc. on installing/running this in my 67 coupe. Thanks!! -Marty
(back) Subject: Re: Got it running but.... From: "marcts" <marcts@ga.prestige.net> Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 13:30:48 -0400 matt, it is critical that you set the timing. You need a timing light with an advance dial. Set the dial to 0. With the motor running, set the initial timing to around 10 deg. (Idling and vacuum advance disconnected.) (line up the timing mark on the balancer with the 0 mark on the timing cover) Leave vacuum advance disconnected, and rev engine to around 3000. You should have all of your mechanical advance in now. Check with the light to see what it is, turn the dial until the timing mark on the balancer lines up with the 0 on the timing cover. It should be between 32 and 38 for a start. This will put you in the ballpark. If you have not checked your timing, it is probably all screwed up. If you cannot get a light, turn the distributor with the motor running until the motor starts to speed up. When it stops speeding up, back off the distributor a little and give it a try. Did you set the float level on the carb? If it is a holley, take of the sight plug and adjust until fuel trickles out. Then back it off a bit. Do for both bowls. Put the timing light on all plugs to see if they are all firing. If the light blinks it is a good sign (near the spark plug) Take out plugs and see what color they are. They should be an ashen color. White is lean, and black is rich. See if they look like they are firing. Check fuel pump by pulling off fuel hose and cranking motor, fuel should squirt out. (Be careful) That's all I can think of at the moment. If the vacuum modulator is disconnected, your trans will not shift. This is not the problem as you could really haul @ss in 1st. The TH400 has an electrical switch you put on the throttle linkage which will cause a downshift at WOT. I don't use it, just shift manually. The th350 has a kickdown cable that has to be connected. good luck, and keep a fire extinguisher handy! Tim
(back) Subject: More on voltage regulator mounting From: "Steve Miller" <sjmiller@us.ibm.com> Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 10:30:38 -0700 Howdy, My '68 Sprint used rubber standoff mounts to bolt down the voltage regulator. I guess the rubber standoffs were to reduce vibration to the regulator. When I pulled my radiator support for 'rust management' (along with the rest of the front end) the nuts spun out of the standoffs and ruined them. Anybody know of sources for replacements? Got a clue as = to the formal name for them? Thanks! Steve "Breaking this seal implies that you have read this manual, and are therefore obligated to provide support to anyone who doesn't want to read this manual." - Illiad
(back) Subject: RE: hood tach location From: "Trimpe, Bob" <TrimpeB@rajones.com> Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 13:53:47 -0400 Joanne, Check out this write-up from the firstgen FAQs: http://FirstGenFirebird.org/firebird/FAQ/interior/dash.html This came from Ames (where I got my tach). So far, it seems to come very close to factory jobs I've seen. Good luck, Bob Trimpe -----Original Message----- From: Joanne Knight [mailto:jknight3@kc.rr.com] Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2001 11:23 PM I have an aftermarket tach that only has directions for the GTO placement. Do you have the specifics on the location for the tach on my 68 firebird?
(back) Subject: RE: Carb Selection From: "Trimpe, Bob" <TrimpeB@rajones.com> Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 14:05:09 -0400 Jim, I am using the Edelbrock performer manifold and the 1405 650 cfm. I added = an electric choke, but you could buy a 1406 and get that already on it. 1405 has a little more generous jetting than the 1406. I am very pleased with the setup. It bolted right on and ran trouble free for two years, now. Regards, Bob Trimpe -----Original Message----- From: Jim Miller [mailto:jimdmi@kcdata.com] Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2001 9:24 PM I just rebuilt my 326 for my 67. I bought a 4 bbl. performer manifold switching from a 2 bbl. I need to purchase a carb. I was looking at an Edlebrock 650 carb but was wondering what the group thought. This is for strret use only. I would probably want some type of choke. Probably electric. Any suggestions?
(back) Subject: Re: Ford 9" in 67 Coupe From: "Frank Zeller" <fzeller@tri-austin.com> Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 14:38:55 -0500 Marty, Search the archive on the Classical Pontiac web site >>> MProvost@LiquidGolf.com 04/16/01 12:17PM >>> First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List .......................................................................... I had another great find this weekend, a Ford 9" rearend out of a 78 = Mercury Grand Marquis with only 50k miles. I have to have the ratio changed at the very least as the current is 2.40, but what else should I have done or look for? I haven't had time to do = much research on the Ford 9" and I apologize for my ignorance in advance. Do they have posi or limited slip or can you have it added? This will be behind a 455 and a 700r4. I know that I will have to have the brackets taken off my current rearend and welded on this because it had coil = springs not leaf. I'm just not sure what else will be involved. Looking forward to tips, advice, experiences, gotchas, etc. on installing/running this in my 67 coupe. Thanks!! -Marty
(back) Subject: RE: Carb Selection From: "x1r1 x" <x1r1@hotmail.com> Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 13:09:43 -0700 Good call, Tim! Oops. Rowan > >What is an edelbrock 650? Are you guys talking about a 600 or is there = an >edelbrock carb out there that I don't know about? >I used a 600 on a 350 and it was fine. > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com