First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List Re: got the money now need to decide.Which front end and springs? by "Bob Cisneros" <Bob.Cisneros@Sun.COM> Re: Music/Song that defines the gen 1 'birds by <DANRELKINS@aol.com> hood hinge spring follow up... by "Chris Porter" <fxstsb@qwest.net> Re: Safety Mandated Items by "Andrew & Kate Panek" <panek@inil.com> Re: Got it running but... by "matt schmid" <schmidmj@hotmail.com> MUST READ 421SD cat. for sale by <Studderin@aol.com> Re: 8.5 to 8.2? by "x1r1 x" <x1r1@hotmail.com> Re: Music/Song that defines the gen 1 'birds by "Bad Acid" <bad-acid@pacbell.net> Re: Music/Song that defines the gen 1 'birds by "Niklas Ridell" <vcc2.nridell@memo.volvo.se> Head Knowledge and... by "Lee Gilbreath" <firebirds42@hotmail.com> Re: Re: 8.5 to 8.2? by "larry diede" <ldiede@bangkok.com> RE: Music/Song by "Keith Donmoyer" <kadonny@hotmail.com> Music/Song that defines the gen 1 'birds by "Jason Rogers" <jason.rogers@york.com> Brake Booster Problem ? by "Chris Porter" <fxstsb@qwest.net> RE: Music/Song that defines the gen 1 'birds by "bird@mail.javanet.com" <bird@mail.javanet.com> Multi Leaf Springs by "Daniel Dominick" <ddominick@austinc.edu> Re: Music/Song that defines the gen 1 'birds by "Steve Manktelow" <twocan@colba.net> Re: Save the F body by "Doug" <dcharnley@mediaone.net> yet another failed attempt by "danny" <dannyboylll@qwest.net> Uni-Lugs by <SteveBrady1@aol.com> RE: Cocktail shakers by "Bryan & Mone' Young" <bryandmo@home.com> Re: Carb Selection by "Kevin Young" <kyoung@sagelink.net> Power brake booster by "Chris Porter" <fxstsb@qwest.net>
(back) Subject: Re: got the money now need to decide.Which front end and springs? From: "Bob Cisneros" <Bob.Cisneros@Sun.COM> Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 16:34:36 -0700 (PDT) brad writes: > I need to know how to install zerks in the graphite any info on this is = > needed! Here are the basics: 1. (Optional Step) Seperate the bushing from it's metal shell. Cut a 1/8 inch deep groove around it's circumference around the middle. You can use a hacksaw to do this. An inside groove would be good to have as well as a number of holes drilled radially to provide a grease path should the bushing rotate in the shell, and to provide a reservoir. Re-install the bushing in the shell, using the special grease that should be supplied. This stuff is very sticky. 2. Press the bushings into the control arms. Buy some grease zerks (fittings), drill the conrol arm through the bushing shell, as far as the center sleeve. Don't drill through this center sleeve. Make your hole so that it is likely to intersect with the grooves you cut in the bushing. You can use a #21 drill bit, and then tap for a 10-32 or 10-28 thread zerk, depending on what you find. Keep in mind how the arms will be mounted and take access on the car into mind when drilling for the zerks. OK, so now you have the control arms mounted on the car and what do you use to grease them? Some people just use common axle or suspension grease. That will work, sort of. But the problem is that it is water soluable. If your car ever sees rain, the grease will eventually wash away. The better bet is to use waterproof grease. Go to your local boat/marine supply store and get the stuff they use on boats and boat trailers. I bought some stuff call Auqualube. I have a grease gun loaded with this stuff just for suspension bushings. Just look out when you use it. It is very sticky and is about as easy to get rid of as chewing gum in your hair. -BoB San Jose, CA 1968 convertible bob.cisneros@Sun.COM
(back) Subject: Re: Music/Song that defines the gen 1 'birds From: <DANRELKINS@aol.com> Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 20:22:22 EDT FREE BIRD Lyndard Skynard
(back) Subject: hood hinge spring follow up... From: "Chris Porter" <fxstsb@qwest.net> Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 17:24:26 -0700 Got my new GM spring's installed. WOW, the hood now goes up on it's own, and stay's there ! ! ! There was a LARGE difference in spring length and diameter. I got these hinge's used, and now I'm sure they were off a Camaro. If anybody is interested, the current GM part # is 03848272. Not sure to the cost, haven't paid for them yet. But my buddy told me around $10 each. I used a motorcycle tie down strap to change the spring's out. An easy fix that worked well. Chris `68 350 H.O. Drop-top
(back) Subject: Re: Safety Mandated Items From: "Andrew & Kate Panek" <panek@inil.com> Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 20:57:54 -0500 OK, SO THE SHOULDER BELTS WERE FROM 68. MY 69 CONVERTIBLE DOES NOT HAVE THEM AND I CANNOT SEE HOW THEY WOULD BE INSTALLED OVER THE SEAT. DID THE CONVERTIBLES HAVE THEM ALSO? ANDREW 69 CONVERTIBLE
(back) Subject: Re: Got it running but... From: "matt schmid" <schmidmj@hotmail.com> Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 02:38:51 Ok everyone, drink a beer, take a shot, smoke a cigar/cigarette or = whatever to celebrate for me. I finally got her running smoooooth. It's so awesome, = after all these years of loving the firebird, first generation in particular, I had never actually got to hear one run properly. Today is a day to write in the history books because I took one that wasn't running = and got her back on the highway!! (Patting myself on the back) I decided since = it was making some noise under the valve covers and was starting to = backfire that I would take them off and see what was going on in there. Well, to my = suprise almost half the rocker arms were loose, even though I'm sure I followed the procedure and cranked them down and made them tight. Oh well, = one of them even came off the rod and was just hangin' out. For an exhaust = valve. I got the idle set right, the mixture set a little rich and the timing is right. Now all I have to do is adjust the brakes and get the headlights working and I'll be cruisin'. Oh, and that damned insurance/registration crap. Who cares though, no tests here in South Carolina, I could run straight pipes if I wanted to and still get it registered, although it would sound better with at least something there. Anyway, I just wanted to thank everyone again for all the great help I've received so far and say what others have said and I'm sure everyone = thinks, This is a great email list and everyone on here actually wants and enjoys = to help. You don't see that very often these days. Hats off to you Geoff, you = started a great thing and have done a good job with it so far. Keep it up = my man!!! Matt 68 350 coupe Clemson, SC _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
(back) Subject: MUST READ 421SD cat. for sale From: <Studderin@aol.com> Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 23:56:18 EDT Someone on a different list found this. If you don't know much about non-firebird Pontiac's. This car is a factory drag race car a 1962 SD 421 Pontiac Catilena w/ the alum. front sheetmetal. A family mid size car that = ran LOW 12's off the showroom floor, no BS.The SD's were built and sold as = race cars. Doninated NHRA in 62-63. This is my dream car. Diffenatly check = it out!!!!!!!!!!!1 John Costello http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D580696822
(back) Subject: Re: 8.5 to 8.2? From: "x1r1 x" <x1r1@hotmail.com> Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 21:03:36 -0700 ground ring gear =3D less rotating mass! sweet too bad I just threw away a set I could have used. Rowan >From: "Frank Zeller" <fzeller@tri-austin.com> >This is from the classical Pontiac web site.......................... > > > >Hi, I've done lots of those change overs. Grind case and a little off the = >ring gear so that ring gear /posi assembly will install in your Pontiac >case. The ring gear will be fine, besides the pinion never touches the >outside of the of the ring gear. Remove big pinion bearing from Chevy, >remove big pinion race from Pontiac case. Take measurements of Pontiac >outer race, Chevy pinion inner race , and Chevy bearing thickness. Now go = >to a Decimal to Metric conversion table and change measurements to = metric. >Now call bearing shop and order bearing , it's a standard stock unit. And = >stronger than original!, (more rollers,hihger grade) Install 8.5 ring , >pinion, posi in a Pontiac case !! Pontiac axles will slide right in, no >worry on the c-clip for Pontiac uses retainer bolts. !! Now you all can = do >it, I've been doing this for years, developed it myself . > > > > > >>> lws@nextek.net 04/17/01 03:21PM >>> >First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List >......................................................................... >is it possible to change the insides of 79 camaro/firebird 8.5 3.42 posi >over to my 68 original rear housing which is 8.2,right?any >problems?Thanks,Larry _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
(back) Subject: Re: Music/Song that defines the gen 1 'birds From: "Bad Acid" <bad-acid@pacbell.net> Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 21:12:41 -0700 How about "I'm in Love with my Car" by Queen, off their "A Night at the Opera" Album? That one allways did it for me! "Told my girl Id have to forget her, Gotta buy me a new carburetor. I'm in love with my car Gotta feel for my automobile" Lance 67 400 coupe > >SO ---- I'm looking for opinions on the "song, artist > >or other music that defines the gen 1 'birds" -- > >you know, the song that revs up YOUR engine while > >you're spending time with your precious baby bird. > > > >Let me know what you think!
(back) Subject: Re: Music/Song that defines the gen 1 'birds From: "Niklas Ridell" <vcc2.nridell@memo.volvo.se> Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 10:31:43 +0200 You gotta go buy a CD with a group called "Fu Manchu"! All their songs are about cars and they play kinda noisy guitarr based rock'n roll. Think the last CD was called King of the road. The cover got lots of cool custom vans on it. /Niklas dbender@dotcomify.com wrote: > > Hello, > > Summer is almost upon us, and in some parts of > the continent we are starting to see the sun for > the first time in months. Covers are coming off and > V8's are firing - time for cruisin'.... > > SO ---- I'm looking for opinions on the "song, artist > or other music that defines the gen 1 'birds" -- > you know, the song that revs up YOUR engine while > you're spending time with your precious baby bird. > > Let me know what you think! > > Thanks & cheers, > > -Duane Bender > '68 V8 Coupe > >
(back) Subject: Head Knowledge and... From: "Lee Gilbreath" <firebirds42@hotmail.com> Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 09:14:59 -0400 Thanks to John and his link at www.wallaceracing.com I know it is likely = the heads I have are on a measly 200hp setup on this 400. It did not tell = me where the identification numbers are located (I think it assumes you're = supposed to know such simple things, eh?) Certainly nothing spectacular = since a Sprint puts out 215! Question is, how best to pump it up to 275-300hp? What sort of = cam\heads\intake\carb combo would be best? OK, I'll admit it - if it's = working (or was working) I can fix it, but I've never been into = performance engineering and could use some input - and I know some of you = out there know your stuff and would appreciate the help. Thanks, Lee 67 Signet Gold on Signet Gold 326 Coupe 68 Alpine Blue on Teal Sprint Convertible - in Restoration http://user.icx.net/~lee4uhere/68bird
(back) Subject: Re: Re: 8.5 to 8.2? From: "larry diede" <ldiede@bangkok.com> Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 07:26:54 -0600 Frank, I assume that the reason for converting to the metric dimensions is becuse = there is a standard pinion bearing setup/kit that just happens to be in = metric units. Is this correct? Do you happen to know what the application for the metric unit? That way = a person could just go to the parts counter and ask for the pinion bearing = to an XXX rear end out of a yyyy model vehicle. I take it that the 8.5 is out of a chevy? What years and application? Thanks, for all your good input. Larry Diede ----------------------------------------------- Thailand's BEST Free Email at Bangkok.com - http://mail.bangkok.com
(back) Subject: RE: Music/Song From: "Keith Donmoyer" <kadonny@hotmail.com> Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 10:02:50 -0400 AHHHHHHHHH, great song!!!! (Bad to the Bone) That has to take it, it beats = my first thought of "Born to be wild" by Steppenwolf. Keith 68 H.O. Subject: RE: Music/Song that defines the gen 1 'birds From: "Erich Wagner" <ewagner@advancepac.com> Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 17:00:01 -0400 George Thorogood & the Deleware Destroyers "Bad to the Bone" On the day it was born The MECHANICS all gathered 'round And they gazed in wide wonder At the joy they had found The head mechanic spoke up Said leave this one alone He could tell right away That it was bad to the bone Bad to the bone, bad to the bone B-b-b-b-bad, B-b-b-b-bad, B-b-b-b-bad, bad to the bone That gets my vote!!! Erich Wagner '67 Firebird 326 Convertible _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
(back) Subject: Music/Song that defines the gen 1 'birds From: "Jason Rogers" <jason.rogers@york.com> Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 10:22:19 -0400 Duane, I am restoring a 1967 Firebird 400. Right now it is bare metal, gutted interior, and up on blocks. But when I sit in that thing, pretend to = shift and make revving sounds, I swear I can hear "Born to be wild" playing in = the background. Everytime I open that big door on the console I think, "I bet people kept their 8 tracks in here right next to their bag of weed". = Makes me think of that time period and what songs would have been on the radio = in June of 67. Ahem, anyway, I also like the Beach Boys song "409" even = though its not a Pontiac motor. "She's real fine..."
(back) Subject: Brake Booster Problem ? From: "Chris Porter" <fxstsb@qwest.net> Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 08:25:24 -0700 Got my Bird started last night for the 1st time in 3 month's. Over the winter I did a lot of thing's, one of which was to replace all 4 wheel cylinders. A friend and I bled the brakes about 4-5 week's ago. When I started it up last night, the brake pedal just goes 1/2 way down and stop's. The pedal doesn't move after that, like you hit a brick, no modulation at all. I didn't drive it, but the brakes appear to hold the car from moving in the garage. When I depress the pedal, the RPM's raise for a split second. The pedal drop's and feel's the same, running engine, or not. Does this sound like the booster, or the master cylinder ? Or, both ? Thanks. Chris `68 350 H.O. Drop-top
(back) Subject: RE: Music/Song that defines the gen 1 'birds From: "bird@mail.javanet.com" <bird@mail.javanet.com> Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 11:26:23 -0400 I'm thinking anything by Karen Carpenter or Neil Sedaka. How about the = Best of Bread album, or maybe the Saturday Night Fever soundtrack? You did say SECOND generation firebird, didn't you? Actually, I've never gotten around to even taking the original AM radio = out of my car. I can listen to music at home. In the car, I want to hear = that V8 with the top down. As someone else said, preferably in a tunnel! SO ---- I'm looking for opinions on the "song, artist or other music that defines the gen 1 'birds" -- you know, the song that revs up YOUR engine while you're spending time with your precious baby bird. -------------------------------------------------------------------- Mail2Web - Check your email from the web at http://www.mail2web.com/ .
(back) Subject: Multi Leaf Springs From: "Daniel Dominick" <ddominick@austinc.edu> Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 10:49:29 -0500 Greg, I've use Eaton Detroit Springs [www.eatonsprings.com/] (they are GM restoration certified) for my '68. They have the plans for nearly all American cars. They can also make specialty springs (lowered, raised, higher rates, etc.). Hope this helps. Dan '68 Sprint (and new to the list, but a long time Firebird owner) > >Subject: Multi Leaf Springs >From: "Greg Camaro" <myhotrs@hotmail.com> >Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 07:29:34 -0700 > >Hey all, >I am shopping for new multi-leaf springs for my 68 coupe. Corvette = Brakes >has a carbon? composite spring (very steep $$). I have also seen various >lowered and high performance springs. What have you guys used and what >would you recommend? >The car will be street driven only, but I want it to handle. >Thanks, >Greg Z
(back) Subject: Re: Music/Song that defines the gen 1 'birds From: "Steve Manktelow" <twocan@colba.net> Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 12:51:29 -0400 "Radar love" by "Golden Earring" always get me moving. Steve
(back) Subject: Re: Save the F body From: "Doug" <dcharnley@mediaone.net> Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 18:52:58 -0400 Lets face it. The only way GM would be swayed is for everyone that is interested in saving Firebirds to cough up the dough for a new one. Maintaining that = bottom line is GM's main objective. Can't blame 'em. Doug 67 400 coupe Bad Acid wrote: > First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List > = ......................................................................... > If you havent yet been to this site, Please check it out! They have a = list > you can sign to help persuade GM to continue to produce the Firebird & > Camaro. > http://www.camaroz28.com/savefbody/index.shtml > > Lance > 67 400 Coupe > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >
(back) Subject: yet another failed attempt From: "danny" <dannyboylll@qwest.net> Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 17:40:17 -0600 i had yet another failed attempt to get my car from my parents house last week. i thought i would tell you all what i went through more for entertainment purposes than anything else. :>) me and my girlfriend drove up to oregon from newmexico through nevada in a giant snow storm. i spent the forst day working on odds and ends/ and the second day i tore into the set of supercomp headers with a hacksaw. i couldn't find anyone in town that could bend a piece of pipe to fit the dimensions that i needed. so I bought a straight piece of pipe, and made angled cuts in it so that i = could rotate them and assemble them in any angle i needed. i will have some pictures of my butchery on my site:>) it is pretty ugly but it was airtight, and it fit! i manufactured a bunch more parts for my car with my welder also. i made a throttle cable bracket that works great and a distributer bracket that works like a charm to. one problem that i had was that my stock type fuel pump didn't pump fuel = at all?? at first i thought that maybe it needed to be primed or something like that but on closer inspection i realized that there was nothing for = the mechanical arm to ride on. i have an aftermarket cam, but i don;t = remember having a part that bolts onto it to run the pump arm. At the time i still thought i might get it running so i ran to the parts store and got an electric fuel pump. it installed easily and i was impressed with its performance. am i right that there needs to be an oblong wheel bolted = onto the front of that cam?? well I got the rest of the miscelanious stuff hooked up, but I had some trouble hooking up the ignition wiring. I am pretty sure I have it right because the motor turns over and I managed to get fire to shoot 3 feet out of my headers when I tried to start it :>) I never did get it started. in the process of getting the distributer lined up i flooded the engine and after that i was getting hungry and i had to leave the next morning. can Anyone give me some tips on setting up a carb for first engine run? the carb and the motor are both new. well i hope my story was atleast a little entertaining. i will publish my pics as soon as i can talk to u guys later -danny 68 400 new mexico
(back) Subject: Uni-Lugs From: <SteveBrady1@aol.com> Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 20:38:58 EDT Anyone ever heard of Uni-Lug Wheels? I just picked up a set of 14x6.75" = E-T IV rims, and they have inserts at the lugs called uni-lugs. Some of these = are missing. Does anyone know where I can get replacements? Steve Brady 68 400 Convertible http://members.nbci.com/srb/
(back) Subject: RE: Cocktail shakers From: "Bryan & Mone' Young" <bryandmo@home.com> Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 19:18:05 -0700 Hey great site but the first couple of pictures didn't show. Don't know if it's my problem or yours. I am in need of still the right rear for a 68 Firebird in case anyone has one. Thanks. Bryan 350 conv 68 -----Original Message----- From: Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com [mailto:Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com]On Behalf Of Charlie & Rose Huntington Sent: Monday, April 16, 2001 6:11 PM To: First Generation Firebird-L Subject: Cocktail shakers First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List .......................................................................... I just made a page of pics of 67-68 Cocktail Shakers. I need a couple = pics of 68 fronts to complete this if anyone has them I'd appreciate it. To = see them so far go to my home page - then to the "tech info" Click on the cocktail shakers to see the different styles. Check out www.badgoat.net
(back) Subject: Re: Carb Selection From: "Kevin Young" <kyoung@sagelink.net> Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 22:01:31 -0500 A lot of folks make that same mistake about the Edlebrock 650?? carb. Mike told us he was running a Edelbrock performer 4bbl and 650 carb, so I dont have a clue as to what type carb he is running.Holley maybe? 1400 600 cfm elec choke 1406 600 cfm manual choke. 1407 750 cfm manual choke. 1413 800 cfm electric choke Now carter is back to rebuilding carbs and yes they are making a 625 = again. crt-9635 625 cfm crt-9755 750 cfm Have a "Bad to the Bone Day" Thanks Kevin kyoung@sagelink.net http://www.n-link.com/~kyoung ICQ# 1841210 Three Religious Truths: 1. Jews do not recognize Jesus as the Messiah. 2. Protestants do not recognize the Pope as the leader of the Christian faith. 3. Baptists do not recognize each other in the liquor store or at Hooters. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Howell" <fishgod@iglou.com> To: "First Generation Firebird-L" <Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com> Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2001 11:16 PM Subject: Re: Carb Selection > First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List > = ......................................................................... > Jim - > I have the Edelbrock performer 4bbl and 650 carb on my '68 350 and > am very pleased with it. Mine is only street use as well. I have seen 18-20 > mpg highway with that setup. > > Mike > '68 350 Coupe > http://fishgod.home.dhs.org/firebird/firebird.html > > At 08:24 PM 4/15/2001 -0500, you wrote: > >First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List > = >......................................................................... > >I just rebuilt my 326 for my 67. I bought a 4 bbl. performer manifold > >switching from a 2 bbl. I need to purchase a carb. I was looking at = an > >Edlebrock 650 carb but was wondering what the group thought. This is = for > >strret use only. I would probably want some type of choke. Probably
(back) Subject: Power brake booster From: "Chris Porter" <fxstsb@qwest.net> Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 20:10:53 -0700 My power brake booster just died. I would like to replace with a proper looking ( and working ) one. Any suggestion's on who to see or ask ? Chris `68 350 H.O. Drop-top ( w/o brakes. Oh well, who need's em )