First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List Cocktail Shaker's by "Chris Porter" <fxstsb@qwest.net> I have extra cocktail shakers by "bird@mail.javanet.com" <bird@mail.javanet.com> Re: Cocktail Shaker's? by "Lee Gilbreath" <firebirds42@hotmail.com> RE: Cocktail Shaker's? by "Bryan & Mone' Young" <bryandmo@home.com> RE: Songs by "Bryan & Mone' Young" <bryandmo@home.com> Re: convertible headliner by "Glenn Uettwiller" <birdman@gdi.net> Re: Music/Song that defines the gen 1 'birds by <Jimc2002@aol.com> Re: Safety mandated items by <Jimc2002@aol.com> Music/Song...how about...... by "Mike" <mbernazz@bestweb.net> Re: Cocktail Shaker's? by <Jimc2002@aol.com> I ordered the suspension kit heres what i got by <BHA676@aol.com> can you mix polygraphite front end with rubber body bushings? by <BHA676@aol.com> corroless from eastwood ques by <BHA676@aol.com> BRAKES HELP! by <Pzary3233@aol.com> Re: can you mix polygraphite front end with rubber body bushings? by "x1r1 x" <x1r1@hotmail.com> RE Save the F body/a little off topic by "Gary Patrick" <Gary@tcworks.net> RE by "Gary Patrick" <Gary@tcworks.net> Grille fasteners by "Gary Patrick" <Gary@tcworks.net> Re: BRAKES HELP! by "Frank Zeller" <fzeller@tri-austin.com> Cocktail Shaker's? by <Dfmcgr@cs.com> Re: BRAKES HELP! by <Pzary3233@aol.com> transaxle cars.... by "danny" <dannyboylll@qwest.net> My neighbors know it's spring! by "John Moore" <sirsaber@mcn.net>
(back) Subject: Cocktail Shaker's From: "Chris Porter" <fxstsb@qwest.net> Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 08:38:29 -0700 John, they are weight's that were installed on converible car's. 2 up front, on each side of the radiator core support. 2 in the trunk, in the very back corner's. 20 lbs. each ( I think ), that's why a lot car's are missing them. Chris 68 350 H.O. Drop-top
(back) Subject: I have extra cocktail shakers From: "bird@mail.javanet.com" <bird@mail.javanet.com> Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 11:42:08 -0400 Hi all, A few years ago I rescued a matching front-only set of cocktail shakers. = I paid $35 apiece and thought I might use them. I doubt I will, my '67 = doesn't need them. If someone here on the list wants them [TO USE, not to = resell - honor system!] they can have them for what I paid. They are a = bit rough - they need to be sanded, primed and painted, and one of them = needs to be cut away from the sheet metal to which it is attached. I was = going to do this myself but I've never gotten around to it. They would be = a bitch to ship but we could probably figure something out. If someone's interested, I now possess a digital camera and I could email = photos. LMK, Dan Kagan bird@javanet.com 1992 Firebird convertible 1967 Firebird convertible -------------------------------------------------------------------- Mail2Web - Check your email from the web at http://www.mail2web.com/ .
(back) Subject: Re: Cocktail Shaker's? From: "Lee Gilbreath" <firebirds42@hotmail.com> Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 11:45:14 -0400 They are extra weights added to the front and rear of the Convertible = which are shaped somewhat like large salt and pepper shakers. You can see = them and the locations of the front pair on my home page, listed below. To the best of my understanding they are for dampening and stabilization. = This may be disputed, however. There has been no small amount of = discussion regarding their reasons for existence in the history of Threads = on the list. My advice? Get a convertible! You'll have your very own Cocktail Shakers = and one of the sharpest cars ever to pound the pavement! :) Lee 67 Signet Gold on Signet Gold 326 Coupe 68 Alpine Blue on Teal Sprint Convertible - in Restoration http://user.icx.net/~lee4uhere/68bird ----- Original Message ----- From: John Moore <sirsaber@mcn.net> To: First Generation Firebird-L <Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com> Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2001 1:08 AM Subject: Cocktail Shaker's? > First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List > = ......................................................................... > Okay, I give....what are these darn cocktail shakers? > > >
(back) Subject: RE: Cocktail Shaker's? From: "Bryan & Mone' Young" <bryandmo@home.com> Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 09:05:11 -0700 John, They are basically weights in each corner of the car to help stabilize it. They are for convertibles because they do not have the roof or roof rails = to help keep vibration down. That's all. Bryan -----Original Message----- From: Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com [mailto:Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com]On Behalf Of John Moore Sent: Friday, April 20, 2001 10:08 PM To: First Generation Firebird-L Subject: Cocktail Shaker's? First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List .......................................................................... Okay, I give....what are these darn cocktail shakers?
(back) Subject: RE: Songs From: "Bryan & Mone' Young" <bryandmo@home.com> Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 09:10:33 -0700 I think Deep Purple "Highway Star" is the song. Bryan 68 Conv red -----Original Message----- From: Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com [mailto:Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com]On Behalf Of Niklas Ridell Sent: Friday, April 20, 2001 6:48 AM To: Firebird-L Subject: Re: Songs First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List .......................................................................... Wow! Great choice, but wasn't the song called MEAN Machine? bad-acid@pacbell.net wrote: > > Another one of my favorites is > Black Sunshine by White Zombie (even though it's about a Mustang) > > or how about Green Machine by Sugar Ray? >
(back) Subject: Re: convertible headliner From: "Glenn Uettwiller" <birdman@gdi.net> Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 14:11:54 -0400 Carl, I have seen many convertibles with headliners - old VW bugs, Rolls Royces, Chrysler LeBaron etc. Some are better than others. As far as your 'bird, my first convertible had a white top (not original) with black lining. It was faded badly, about like the '92 Sunbird I now have. I remember using a spray dye for cloth on the lining and the side pads that held up for a couple of years. I also sanded and painted the top frame at that time. Looked pretty good for a while. If I can find that type of dye now, I can touch-up the Sunbird. Glenn aka birdman elrack wrote: > > First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List > = ......................................................................... > The interior of my convertible top is starting to look quite ratty but = the > exterior isn't bad. At least not enough to warrant me replacing it yet. > I've been thinking about lining the inside with a felt material or = something > along that line but I am not sure if I will have problems with folding = the > top. I've never seen a convertible with a headliner and I'm guessing = there > is a reason for that. I also seen that CI carries a convertible top > headliner but don't know anything about that either. So any opinions on > this will be appreciated. > > Regards, > Carl Reinhardt >
(back) Subject: Re: Music/Song that defines the gen 1 'birds From: <Jimc2002@aol.com> Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 14:48:32 EDT Though many come to mind - one stands out. I got my '68 conv. in 1969 and did a lot of driving with the top down. I also saw the movie Easy Rider that year and one of the most played songs: = Born to be Wild by SteppenWolf. Jim 68 400HO Conv
(back) Subject: Re: Safety mandated items From: <Jimc2002@aol.com> Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 14:57:39 EDT my 68 born after Jan 1 does not have a sholder harness and never did. = Must have exempted them. Jim 68 400HO Conv
(back) Subject: Music/Song...how about...... From: "Mike" <mbernazz@bestweb.net> Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 17:40:42 -0400 Been watching this thread... How about "Highway Star" ?? ----Deep Purple ---- Back to lurking
(back) Subject: Re: Cocktail Shaker's? From: <Jimc2002@aol.com> Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 17:51:49 EDT Their purpose is a great trivia question when classic car enthusiasts and others are looking at and talking about your car. I've had some shots = taken at mine as "a GM very low-tech design solution to solve a last minute problem". Others might think they are a conspiracy by "Big Oil" to make = you use more gas to haul those weights around. Jim 68 400HO Conv
(back) Subject: I ordered the suspension kit heres what i got From: <BHA676@aol.com> Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 18:10:16 EDT I bought the super complete kit from pst with polygraphite, hi = performance springs and new 1-1/8 front sway bar!! Hopefully I can get this back = together in a week or two. brad 67400 convert
(back) Subject: can you mix polygraphite front end with rubber body bushings? From: <BHA676@aol.com> Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 18:11:15 EDT I need to know if this will cause problems.... brad 67 400 convert
(back) Subject: corroless from eastwood ques From: <BHA676@aol.com> Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 18:12:51 EDT I bought this stuff from east wood and need to know if its worth using. I = plan on using it around the windshield to cover rust. brad
(back) Subject: BRAKES HELP! From: <Pzary3233@aol.com> Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 18:12:51 EDT hey all, my dad and I have this weekend to get my car back on the road. well I = swaped to disc brakes and got a new master and a propotioning valve (what MP = brakes told me I shuold use www.mpbrkaes.com). we then got calapers and pads so every thing is new up front and then the rear brakes where just done = around thanksgiving. before I did the swap every thing was fine. But now that I = have disc brakes on the front along with the new parts I have NO brakes what so = ever. I have some what good pedal pressure while the motor is off but then = when I start the motor every thing just goes and there are no brakes. the calapers work great while they are not power assisted. We bled the brakes (front and rear) also the master cyclender and the proptioning valve. we = also bled all 4 corners of the car. then we have reajusted the rear drums. Are there any other ideas that you guys have? is there anything else you need = to know to help me out? Well thank you soo much! I hope to cruise = tomorrow!!!!!!! Thanks again! Paul Z. 68 350 Coupe
(back) Subject: Re: can you mix polygraphite front end with rubber body bushings? From: "x1r1 x" <x1r1@hotmail.com> Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 17:57:25 -0700 I had no problem, but am about to try some poly bod mounts I got at the = swap meet...they are much less squished than my original ones. Rowan >From: BHA676@aol.com >I need to know if this will cause problems.... > >brad 67 400 convert _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
(back) Subject: RE Save the F body/a little off topic From: "Gary Patrick" <Gary@tcworks.net> Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 21:08:13 -0400 >Save the F body/a little off topic From: "Keith Donmoyer" <kadonny@hotmail.com> Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 08:53:01 -0400 Also for anyone interested, the salesman told me he heard that Chebby will make a 2002 SS Crammo with factory horse of 375, some sort of special edition very limited production. Keith from what I heard its a special model called the "intimidator" and pumps out 381 HP and over 400 ft lbs torque. Dale Jr got one as a prototype. Lets hope PMD takes the challenge and puts out an equal. At least go out with a bang not a whimper. Got to go getting swollen just thinking about the demise of Bird. Gary
(back) Subject: RE From: "Gary Patrick" <Gary@tcworks.net> Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 21:15:26 -0400 I always thought Deep Purple Hiway Star was a great driving fast tune. But Free Bird will be my Firebird tune since I coined my 68 that in 1974 Gary
(back) Subject: Grille fasteners From: "Gary Patrick" <Gary@tcworks.net> Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 21:32:10 -0400 Subject: still looking... From: "Chris Porter" <fxstsb@qwest.net> Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 23:39:08 -0700 ANYBODY have the correct screws/bolts for the top of the grill's on a `68 Bird ? I don't even know what they are supposed to look like. Are they hex, or philip's ? Chris `68 350 H.O. Drop-top Chris these shouldnt be too hard to find they are a 1/4-20x5/8 long 3/8 hex washer head no service part avaliable(GM) but Auveco has something close,part #2753 only difference is that replacement have a 5/8 washer not 1/2 like = originals. Gary
(back) Subject: Re: BRAKES HELP! From: "Frank Zeller" <fzeller@tri-austin.com> Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 21:18:18 -0500 Bleed the Master cylinder first. Most of the time they come with extra = fitting so you can do it off the car. >>> Pzary3233@aol.com 04/21/01 05:12PM >>> First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List .......................................................................... hey all, my dad and I have this weekend to get my car back on the road. well I = swaped to disc brakes and got a new master and a propotioning valve (what MP = brakes told me I shuold use www.mpbrkaes.com). we then got calapers and pads so every thing is new up front and then the rear brakes where just done = around thanksgiving. before I did the swap every thing was fine. But now that I = have disc brakes on the front along with the new parts I have NO brakes what so = ever. I have some what good pedal pressure while the motor is off but then = when I start the motor every thing just goes and there are no brakes. the calapers work great while they are not power assisted. We bled the brakes (front and rear) also the master cyclender and the proptioning valve. we = also bled all 4 corners of the car. then we have reajusted the rear drums. Are there any other ideas that you guys have? is there anything else you need = to know to help me out? Well thank you soo much! I hope to cruise = tomorrow!!!!!!! Thanks again! Paul Z. 68 350 Coupe
(back) Subject: Cocktail Shaker's? From: <Dfmcgr@cs.com> Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 23:26:48 EDT Jim Wrote: Their purpose is a great trivia question when classic car enthusiasts and=20 others are looking at and talking about your car............... Having owned both a =E2=80=9869 coupe and my current =E2=80=9869 convertible= , I=E2=80=99d say the=20 cocktail shakers really do make a difference. The convertible is much less prone to=20 vibration and shake. The cocktail shakers are much more than 100 pounds of dead weight.=20 They are quite functional and add to the uniqueness of our cars. I found this passage from Michael Lamm=E2=80=99s =E2=80=9CThe Fabulous Fireb= ird=E2=80=9D published by Lamm-Moranda Publishing Company, Stockton, CA, page 22. There is also a phot= o=20 of a cocktail shaker on page 29. The Firebird convertible presented a few teething problems unique to that=20 body type. Early F-Car prototype testing showed that the convertible body had a tendency to=20 shake under certain conditions. =E2=80=9CThe body didn=E2=80=99t have full enclosures to= give it=20 additional strength,=E2=80=9D says Jack Hakspacher, =E2=80=9Cand in our opinion, since our development peo= ple were=20 pretty fussy and didn=E2=80=99t like the convertible=E2=80=99s response over rough=20= roads, we put on=20 these big cylindrical harmonic dampers.=E2=80=9D=20 Alex Mair recalls that, =E2=80=9C The bodywork was well set by the time I go= t to=20 Chevrolet, with the exception of the [F-Car] convertible. We had to do a great deal of work=20 on the convertible because, since it was semi-integral, we found a fair amount of=20 torsional shake. We actually had to hide harmonic dampers in each corner of the car. We calle= d=20 them cocktail shakers. These were tuned dampers-sealed steel barrels with spring=20 loaded weights riding in hydraulic fluid. The purpose was to have the weights oppos= e=20 torsional vibrating frequencies.=E2=80=9D These cylinders weighed about 25 pounds each= .. Dave 1969 Conv. 400
(back) Subject: Re: BRAKES HELP! From: <Pzary3233@aol.com> Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 23:32:45 EDT I did that while it was out of the car and then again while in the car = before the lines where hooked up..any other ideas? Thanks Paul Z 68 350 Coupe
(back) Subject: transaxle cars.... From: "danny" <dannyboylll@qwest.net> Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 22:01:28 -0600 i ahve a lot of info on the pontiac transaxle cars. i own a 63 = convertable tempest lemans. it has a 326. (its for sale if anyone really wants it) = i can give some good info if anyone has questions about these cars. -danny = 60 400 fb
(back) Subject: My neighbors know it's spring! From: "John Moore" <sirsaber@mcn.net> Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 22:41:11 -0600 After a year long paint and body shop shop induced slumber, I poured a little gasoline in the carb and my baby fired right up. I backed her down the drive way to the street and let the neighbors know that spring has indeed sprung! I'm well on my way to the Cars In The Park Car Show, Glendive MT. John Moore 68 OBABY CarID=3D127