First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List Re: RE Save the F body/a little off topic by "Zak" <jzakhar@home.com> discs by "lws" <lws@nextek.net> discs by "lws" <lws@nextek.net> Re: RE Save the F body/a little off topic by <Studderin@aol.com> Re: Cocktail Shaker's? by "Charlie & Rose Huntington" <badgoat@gwi.net> Re: Grille fasteners by "Steve" <poncho68sa@hotmail.com> Pontiac and BOP motor songs by "James Larson" <nordic@nycap.rr.com> Re: can you mix polygraphite front end with rubber body bushings? by <hugoba@apcom.com> The 455/2004R are installed! by <hugoba@apcom.com> 350 performance by "76' Firebird" <pjozif@hotmail.com> Re: Music/Song...how about...... by "Andy" <fbird68@ix.netcom.com> Broken Axel by "Charlie Mellone" <cmellone@bellsouth.net> Save the F Body/a little off topic by "Keith Donmoyer" <kadonny@hotmail.com> Poly-Graphite & Rubber bushings by "Brett Luikkonen" <brett@cisdirect.com> RE: Firebird-L Digest #1872 by "Brett Luikkonen" <brett@cisdirect.com> Brake Drums / Rotors by "David Learner" <davidlearner@yahoo.com> Re: Blower Motor Wiring, etc by "Jeff Lane" <JeffLane32@hotmail.com> ADMN: Off Topic Posts by "Geoff Martin" <Geoff@firstgenfirebird.org> Need a new radiator..suggestions please. by "Rodger Fromm" <rwfromm@nf.sympatico.ca> 67 Resto, need dist. by "Jason Rogers" <jason.rogers@york.com> Re: Need a new radiator..suggestions please. by "Ken Reimer" <kreimer@uniserve.com> RE: 350 performance by "Slobird" <marcts@ga.prestige.net> Re: 67 Resto, need dist. by "Craig" <coreman@uniserve.com>
(back) Subject: Re: RE Save the F body/a little off topic From: "Zak" <jzakhar@home.com> Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 01:28:26 -0400 June 29th in Carlisle " Top secret unveiling of the 35th Anniversary = Camaro" first time showing so they write. Factory reps at auto show said Firebird will have "retro" styling and = maybe a large bird hood decal option..hmmmm....and I'm sure....gobs of = horsepower!! Zak MI > Keith from what I heard its a special model called the "intimidator" > and pumps out 381 HP and over 400 ft lbs torque. > Dale Jr got one as a prototype. > Lets hope PMD takes the challenge and puts out an equal. > At least go out with a bang not a whimper. > Got to go getting swollen just thinking about the demise of Bird. > Gary > >
(back) Subject: discs From: "lws" <lws@nextek.net> Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 06:54:01 -0400 I'm trying to put front discs on my 68,they came off a 69 cutlass.I have them on the right side,bleeders are up in the air,but in looking at the curved arm bolted on the back of the spindle which hooks to the tie rod arm,these ones are straight out and the ones on the drums drop about 2" = when they hook to the tie rod arm.Does this matter,do I have the wrong parts,or do I need to change these arms from the drums to the discs?Any help would = be most appreciated.Thanks,Larry
(back) Subject: discs From: "lws" <lws@nextek.net> Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 08:08:52 -0400 never mind,I found it in the archives.thanks,Larry
(back) Subject: Re: RE Save the F body/a little off topic From: <Studderin@aol.com> Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 08:30:03 EDT In a message dated 4/21/2001 10:56:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Gary@tcworks.net writes: << Keith from what I heard its a special model called the "intimidator" and pumps out 381 HP and over 400 ft lbs torque. Dale Jr got one as a prototype. Lets hope PMD takes the challenge and puts out an equal. At least go out with a bang not a whimper. Got to go getting swollen just thinking about the demise of Bird. Gary >> The show "MTV cribs" did Dale Jr. a recent episode. They go around to famous (rich $$$) people's house and show there house, swimming pool(s), cars, the whole estate. So in Dale Jr's driveway he has a "Imitator SS" Jr. says chevy and his = papy (r.i.p) where going to make a bunch of these cars. They were back = with a gray scoop only. Still not a good looking as a RA Bird.
(back) Subject: Re: Cocktail Shaker's? From: "Charlie & Rose Huntington" <badgoat@gwi.net> Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 08:51:32 -0400 Check out the page I made of them on my web site. Go to the link on my "tech page" If anyone can send me a couple of pics of '68 Front I'll add them to complete this effort. Check out www.badgoat.net -----Original Message----- From: Lee Gilbreath <firebirds42@hotmail.com> To: First Generation Firebird-L <Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com> Date: Saturday, April 21, 2001 1:02 PM Subject: Re: Cocktail Shaker's? First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List .......................................................................... They are extra weights added to the front and rear of the Convertible = which are shaped somewhat like large salt and pepper shakers. You can see them = and the locations of the front pair on my home page, listed below. To the best of my understanding they are for dampening and stabilization. This may be disputed, however. There has been no small amount of = discussion regarding their reasons for existence in the history of Threads on the = list. My advice? Get a convertible! You'll have your very own Cocktail Shakers = and one of the sharpest cars ever to pound the pavement! :) Lee 67 Signet Gold on Signet Gold 326 Coupe 68 Alpine Blue on Teal Sprint Convertible - in Restoration http://user.icx.net/~lee4uhere/68bird ----- Original Message ----- From: John Moore <sirsaber@mcn.net> To: First Generation Firebird-L <Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com> Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2001 1:08 AM Subject: Cocktail Shaker's? > First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List > = ......................................................................... > Okay, I give....what are these darn cocktail shakers? >
(back) Subject: Re: Grille fasteners From: "Steve" <poncho68sa@hotmail.com> Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 13:17:37 -0500 found auveco site at http://www.auveco.com/ has a online catalog Thanks- Steve.... poncho68sa@hotmail.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Patrick" <Gary@tcworks.net> To: <firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com> Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2001 8:32 PM Subject: Grille fasteners > First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List > = ......................................................................... > > Subject: still looking... > From: "Chris Porter" <fxstsb@qwest.net> > Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 23:39:08 -0700 > > ANYBODY have the correct screws/bolts for the top of the > grill's on a `68 Bird ? I don't even know what they are > supposed to look like. Are they hex, or philip's ? > > > Chris `68 350 H.O. Drop-top > > > Chris these shouldnt be too hard to find > they are a 1/4-20x5/8 long 3/8 hex washer head > no service part avaliable(GM) but Auveco has something close,part #2753 > only difference is that replacement have a 5/8 washer not 1/2 like originals. > Gary > > > >
(back) Subject: Pontiac and BOP motor songs From: "James Larson" <nordic@nycap.rr.com> Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 21:55:18 -0400 I found these 2 songs by luck. I'm trying to find a few to burn onto a CD and play them when I'm in the car... if anyone has other good ones let me know. ftp://therange.dyndns.org/firebird/pontiacsongs/ As with any song that is downloaded on the internet, if you don't own it, buy it... if you're poor then delete it after 24 hours. -- James Larson, ETN2 USN Saratoga Springs, NY 1968 White Firebird 400 Coupe
(back) Subject: Re: can you mix polygraphite front end with rubber body bushings? From: <hugoba@apcom.com> Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 20:00:46 -0700 (PDT) You've probably gotten an answe, but just in case, yes. Hugo > From Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com Sat Apr 21 16:07:17 2001 > From: BHA676@aol.com > Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 18:11:15 EDT > Subject: can you mix polygraphite front end with rubber body bushings? > To: Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List > = ......................................................................... > I need to know if this will cause problems.... > > brad 67 400 convert >
(back) Subject: The 455/2004R are installed! From: <hugoba@apcom.com> Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 20:36:35 -0700 (PDT) Well, after working on this (on and off) for about two weeks, the 455 and = 2004R are alive and kicking in the 69 convertible. I'll have to say that my hat is off to you guys that don't have a lift and = do an engine swap cause I gotta tell ya, I'd HATE to have to crawl in and out from under the car without it. Most everything went in smoothly. I used an unmodified th400 transmission crossmember but had to modify the plate on the poly trans mount by = elongating the holes by about 1/4". Luckily my old tranny had these short cooling lines attached that ended in = compression fittings so I re-used these (had to buy one additional fitting = to adapt it) and that worked perfect to attach the cooling lines. I re-used the old motor monts that were in great shape so that wasn't a = problem. Right now I just have a few small issues. I have a small leak somewhere in = the water pump area (could be one of the two bolts I took off to re-mount the accessories), the carburator that came off of the Bonnie is in bad shape, = and I'm having some problem with the trannie going in and out of overdrive on = the freeway as well as it shifting too soon into OD at low speeds. I guess I'll need to take it to the tranny guy to help me dial in the TV = cable. Other than that, the 455 runs pretty well (and If I fix the carb problem = it will run much better I'm sure) so I'm happy with the results so far. Oh, I also = installed a Desert Cooler radiator from Ames and the thing runs at 190 and = doesn't budge from there (I'll have to do some hill stress tests to make = sure that doesn't change). If I can get these few issues ironed out in the next couple of days I will = take the car on the Hot Rod power tour, otherwise, I'll have to settle for the = 98 TA (what punishment ;-)) Hugo
(back) Subject: 350 performance From: "76' Firebird" <pjozif@hotmail.com> Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 04:53:36 -0000 What are some of the 350 Firebird owners performance specs? Has anyone = gone the distance to build a 14 second unit? or something upwards of 300hp? I = am running a 76 350 blue block which has been bored .040 over, and i have 6X heads, with a cast 4bbl intake i recently aquired. I'm having a tough time = picking out a cam, and pistons. Any suggestions? I am looking to build a potent unit by maximizing potential via camshaft, carb and focusing some attention on how the power gets to the ground- ie traction bars, 2100rpm converter + shift kit.- i mainly need help picking a cam to work well with = an 8.5:1 compression. Let me know how your 350's have turned out- and i dont want to be told to buy a 400 or a 455. Thanks Rod _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.
(back) Subject: Re: Music/Song...how about...... From: "Andy" <fbird68@ix.netcom.com> Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 00:08:56 -0700 Obviously, our ages will have a great impact on our choices. For me, Freebird would have to be the best for Southern rock. For Northern rock, it would be a toss-up between Bob Seger ('Live' Bullet) and any early Ted Nugent (post Amboy Dukes). Of course, you can't beat the first Montrose album, or later Hagar (55, Red, etc.). Hmmm, should we even doing this? Too much like arguing religion :-). Andy > Subject: RE > From: "Gary Patrick" <Gary@tcworks.net> > Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 21:15:26 -0400 > > I always thought > Deep Purple Hiway Star was a great driving fast tune. > But Free Bird will be my Firebird tune since I coined my 68 that in 1974 > > Gary >
(back) Subject: Broken Axel From: "Charlie Mellone" <cmellone@bellsouth.net> Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 07:12:22 -0400 My left rear axle broke while cruising with my kids last night. It was the oddest thing. I was waiting for the light to change when I guess I accelerated a little too hard and there was a clank and a few bumps and then lots of revs but no movement. First thought was drive shaft but the tilt of the car told me otherwise. Thank God we only made it a few feet into the intersection and were not on the highway. Damage was also minimal. Only a minor dent to lower quarter panel and a broken emergency break cable. I seemed to have recovered all the brake parts which had been scattered over a 20 square foot section of the street. My first coarse of action will be to attempt to replace the axle. Can't tell if it's fused in to the housing yet but don't think it is. Can anyone tell me what axles are compatible on a 68 rear? I guess any of the first generation rears would work but what about second? I'm also seriously thinking it's time to swap out the 3.36 limited slip rear for a 3.08 POSI. The car is geared so low that it turns 3200 RPM at 60 MPH, making it hard to drive on the highway. Obviously gives great low end torque though! If anyone has a POSI rear for sale let me know. Thanks, Charlie
(back) Subject: Save the F Body/a little off topic From: "Keith Donmoyer" <kadonny@hotmail.com> Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 07:55:29 -0400 Gary, Yes, its going to have some special paint job also. What I heard is that Pontiac will not have a similar car....we can only hope this is not true. = For the bird, I am going to think about a new one, keep my eyes peeled for = a good used one, and also think about the demise of a great car. Keith 68 H.O. Subject: RE Save the F body/a little off topic From: "Gary Patrick" <Gary@tcworks.net> Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 21:08:13 -0400 >Save the F body/a little off topic From: "Keith Donmoyer" <kadonny@hotmail.com> Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 08:53:01 -0400 Also for anyone interested, the salesman told me he heard that Chebby will make a 2002 SS Crammo with factory horse of 375, some sort of special edition very limited production. Keith from what I heard its a special model called the "intimidator" and pumps out 381 HP and over 400 ft lbs torque. Dale Jr got one as a prototype. Lets hope PMD takes the challenge and puts out an equal. At least go out with a bang not a whimper. Got to go getting swollen just thinking about the demise of Bird. Gary _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
(back) Subject: Poly-Graphite & Rubber bushings From: "Brett Luikkonen" <brett@cisdirect.com> Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 07:13:18 -0500 Subject: can you mix polygraphite front end with rubber body bushings? From: <BHA676@aol.com> I need to know if this will cause problems.... brad 67 400 convert That's the set up I have Brad, and it work/feels/rides GREAT! In my = opinion, a perfect combo! You get the far superior handling from the Ply-graphite, wither a good level of comfort from the Rubber body bushings! Nice and tight, yet not bone rattling! Brett - 67 Drop Top 455!
(back) Subject: RE: Firebird-L Digest #1872 From: "Brett Luikkonen" <brett@cisdirect.com> Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 07:19:04 -0500 Hey Chris, when we get together (soon) you can check mine out... and I'll see if I have anything in my parts bins... if not, I should be able to get you all the hardware from my friend Mike in The Bay area off the car he's parting out... Brett! Subject: still looking... ANYBODY have the correct screws/bolts for the top of the grill's on a `68 Bird ? I don't even know what they are supposed to look like. Are they hex, or Philip's ? Chris `68 350 H.O. Drop-top Chris these shouldn't be too hard to find they are a 1/4-20x5/8 long 3/8 hex washer head no service part avaliable(GM) but Auveco has something close,part #2753 only difference is that replacement have a 5/8 washer not 1/2 like originals. Gary
(back) Subject: Brake Drums / Rotors From: "David Learner" <davidlearner@yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 09:51:39 -0700 (PDT) Just took my brake drums to the machine shop to have them measured and found that one front drum had been turned substantially larger than the maximum safe diameter. This came as a real surprise, and I thought other list members might want to watch out for drums and rotors that have been turned beyond the maximum safe limits. Mine were otherwise in good shape, not in need of being resurfaced. The cost of a new drum or rotor is small compared to the injuries or damage that could result from a brake failure. I only hate that I had already spent the time to sandblast all the drums before getting them measured! Anyone need a freshly sandblasted small boat anchor? Seriously, has anyone else on the list run into something like this? David Learner '69 Convertible '67 455 Convertible __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/
(back) Subject: Re: Blower Motor Wiring, etc From: "Jeff Lane" <JeffLane32@hotmail.com> Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 13:02:23 -0400 Thanks! I never would have found that switch without the diagram. It was behind the glove box. I'll keep a bookmark to that web site for sure. That isn't asbestos back there - looks like insulation... Oh boy. ----- Original Message ----- From: "x1r1 x" <x1r1@hotmail.com> To: <Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com> Sent: Friday, April 20, 2001 6:51 PM Subject: Re: Blower Motor Wiring, etc > First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List > = ......................................................................... > http://www.locl.net/homes/sapple/69wir2.html > I have a non AC setup complete except for flex ducts and eyeball vents, > as well as need for the fiberglass siutcase for the AC. I might even be > able to buy it off you. Or if somone knows a good source for those, let me > know > Rowan 68 (almost AC, I'm almost ready to give up and put my car together > without it) > > > >From: "Jeff Lane" <JeffLane32@hotmail.com> > > >Since I have the fenders off I am going to replace the blower motor on = my > >69 > >with no AC. Old one didn't work probably because the wire coming from = the > >motor had been cut and was just dangling there! Question is where do I hook > >up the wiring to the new motor? It will probably be obvious when I take = a > >closer look, but just thought I'd ask. > > > >Songs again. Well, it depends on my mood. Here's a couple: > > > >When I want to get away I like: > > Bob Seger "Travelin Man" live. (feelin the breeze, passin the cars) > > > >Super Tramp "Take the Long Way Home" > > > >Slow ride mode after glaucoma treatment: > >War "Low Rider" > > > >Sugar Loaf "Green Eyed Lady" > > > >Yes "Your's Is No Disgrace" > > > >Aerosmith "Uncle Salty" > > > >When I feel like driving: > >Rush "Red Barchetta" (of course!) > > > >Boston - doesn't matter > > > >Ozzy > > > >Stone Temple Pilots (the old stuff - not the new crap) > > > >Actually I better get a radio in my Bird first! > > > >Thanks, Jeff. > > _________________________________________________________________
(back) Subject: ADMN: Off Topic Posts From: "Geoff Martin" <Geoff@firstgenfirebird.org> Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 13:49:33 -0400 Subject: Off Topic Posts As your moderator, I need to step in every now and then to make some suggestions and address some problems that could help other list members. Please refrain from posting off topic messages to the list but instead direct them to the individual posters. This keeps the email message quantity down while keeping the list on topic. Reference from the Welcome File: (1.01) - Any discussion directly related to the First Generation Pontiac Firebird (1967-1969) is fair game. (1.05) - Personal chatting will be tolerated to some degree; however, please keep it to a dull roar. If topics start to drift away from the First Generation Pontiac Firebird, take them to private email. Messages intended for just one or two individuals should be sent privately, not posted to the list. Messages that could benefit the rest of the list members should be posted to the list. To make sure a message is being sent to the right place, always check the "To" field in a reply before sending it. The current Welcome File which includes how to unsubscribe from this list can be obtained by sending a message to: <FirebirdL-info@oakmediacreations.com> Thanks In Advance - Geoff ________________________________________________________________ Geoff Martin, List Admn First Generation Firebird-L
(back) Subject: Need a new radiator..suggestions please. From: "Rodger Fromm" <rwfromm@nf.sympatico.ca> Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 16:30:58 -0230 After inspection of my 68 before I bring it back to life after a winters sleep, I am in need of replacing the radiator. I am in canada(Newfoundland) and am wondering if there are any other Canadians out there that know of a good place up here to get a radiator from, or am I going to end up with one from crappy tire? I am also = thinking of switching to an electric fan instead of block fan. Any and all suggestions will be greatly appreciated. Rodger 68 350 (3-speed heavy duty)
(back) Subject: 67 Resto, need dist. From: "Jason Rogers" <jason.rogers@york.com> Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 16:05:57 -0400 Looking for a points distributor for a 67 400 with A.I.R. I believe the correct numbers would be 1111250, 1111252, 1111253, 1111254.
(back) Subject: Re: Need a new radiator..suggestions please. From: "Ken Reimer" <kreimer@uniserve.com> Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 15:20:17 -0700 Rodger, Considering that the distances that you will be dealing with for shipping, you should look into having your radiator recored by a local radiator shop. The unique thing about your 'bird radiator is the tank design and as long as those are OK, it'll work out cheaper with a recore job. Do your research on electric fans, some are much better than others. 'Black Magic' was mentioned as a better unit in an earlier posting. Ken Reimer At 04:30 PM 4/23/2001 -0230, you wrote: >First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List >......................................................................... >After inspection of my 68 before I bring it back to life after a winters >sleep, I am in need of replacing the radiator. > >I am in canada(Newfoundland) and am wondering if there are any other >Canadians out there that know of a good place up here to get a radiator >from, or am I going to end up with one from crappy tire? I am also = thinking >of switching to an electric fan instead of block fan. > >Any and all suggestions will be greatly appreciated. > >Rodger >68 350 (3-speed heavy duty) >
(back) Subject: RE: 350 performance From: "Slobird" <marcts@ga.prestige.net> Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 18:31:41 -0400 Something like the 068 factory cam or summit 2801 cam might work well, and still idle well. I think some have gotten into the 14's with a 350, you will need at least a 3.08 gear, preferably a lot higher if you want to go. My 350 had headers, edelbrock performer intake, edelbrock 600 carb, performer cam, etc and with 2.56 gear and th400 it ran 15.8. The 455 with 2.56 is running around 13.8 now. I am rebuilding the trans, = and expect to get in the mid 13's and change gear to 3.08 to get into the low 13's I think you can hit the mid 14's with a 350 and 3.46 gear, but i'll bet = the low 14's would take a higher gear. good luck and let us know the results. Tim
(back) Subject: Re: 67 Resto, need dist. From: "Craig" <coreman@uniserve.com> Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 15:54:03 -0700 Would any of these numbers work? 1111165 1111282 1111942 1112807 1111447 Is this just a points style distributor with single vacuum? Craig Jason Rogers wrote: > First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List > = ......................................................................... > Looking for a points distributor for a 67 400 with A.I.R. I believe the > correct numbers would be 1111250, 1111252, > 1111253, 1111254. >