First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List Re: The 455/2004R are installed! by "pete" <yaselskyp@webtv.net> Re: One other thing...cooling by <Studderin@aol.com> Re: Gas Prices by <hugoba@apcom.com> Re: One other thing...cooling by <hugoba@apcom.com> Re: The 455/2004R are installed! by <hugoba@apcom.com> Re: Gas Prices by "76' Firebird" <pjozif@hotmail.com> Re: Gas Prices by "Niklas Ridell" <vcc2.nridell@memo.volvo.se> Rally gauges installed! by "Ian Highfield" <Ian.Highfield@actfs.co.uk> Re turn signal replacement by "Gary Patrick" <Gary@tcworks.net> Re: One other thing...cooling by "Frank Zeller" <fzeller@tri-austin.com> RE: Gas Prices by "bird@mail.javanet.com" <bird@mail.javanet.com>
(back) Subject: Re: The 455/2004R are installed! From: "pete" <yaselskyp@webtv.net> Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 19:15:26 -0700 (PDT) Andrew I just mentioned the Ill cause Im going to be flying into Ohare and staying around hobart/portage area for a few days. I will also be going down alittle south to Lowell, IN. Soooo I was hoping to meet up with some people. Someone mentioned a swap meet a little north . I will be arriving Chicago on the 2nd of May around 8 ish pm
(back) Subject: Re: One other thing...cooling From: <Studderin@aol.com> Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 23:41:19 EDT Mike. You can get 195,' 180' and even a 160' HD .made by stant from a local parts store. With the new Desert Cool rad. I'd get a 190' or 195', This make sound strange but that's the temp. the motor should run at. With the new = radiator I'd try the 195', that's the temp. the thermostat opens at. The rings on your motor are gapped so that the seal there best when = they expand at the temp. of 190-200 degrees. If the engine temp. is under this = the ring gaps will be bigger allowing blow-by and faster wear. So with the new radiator I'd try the 195,' that's the temp. the thermostat opens at. Start there, and tell us how the desert cool is, = People say it's very good. John Costello
(back) Subject: Re: Gas Prices From: <hugoba@apcom.com> Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 21:30:44 -0700 (PDT) To a certain extent. Here in CA if you go out to the boonies (and sometimes not too far out of = town) the gas drops drastically. Here in the Bay Area we pay the highest price per gallon in the state as = well as the country. Basically it's what the market will bear and if someone wants = to tell me that gas companies aren't involved in colusion we could argue all = day long on that one. Hugo > From Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com Wed Apr 25 12:06:07 2001 > From: "Todd Chynoweth" <pinec@pitnet.net> > To: "First Generation Firebird-L" <Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com> > Subject: Re: Gas Prices > Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 13:27:47 -0500 > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > X-Priority: 3 > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 > > First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List > = ......................................................................... > About gas pricing, lets get more specific, I live in Wisconsin and the > state and federal taxes combined are .54 and another .05 increase in = state > tax in the near future, with the tax included the price 87 octane = $1.66 > 92 octane $1.90 > > what are total tax amounts around the country or world? > I believe that is where majority of the difference lies. > > Just another angle > Todd > > > > Hehe, $2.00 is nothing. Here in the Bay Area we already pay over $2.00 = for > premium! Up in San Francisco they are upwards of $2.15!! > > > Well guys, I would love to pay $2.15 a gallon. Over here in England, = we > pay > 77p per litre, which is about $5.25 per gallon !!!! > > No wonder you guys have money to spend on parts - all ours goes on gas. > > Does anyone else have gas prices for their country (Holland, Sweden, > Australia etc.) to compare to the US prices - anyone cheaper ? > > Just interested. > > >
(back) Subject: Re: One other thing...cooling From: <hugoba@apcom.com> Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 21:54:57 -0700 (PDT) Some people have experienced a higher temp with a lower temp thermostat. I put in a 160 in the 455 and with the desert cooler it holds 190 pretty = much all the time. Today I did a stress test and went to Santa Cruz over the mountains and the hotest it got was 210. On the way back there was an = accident and it had gotten to about 210 and then I iddled for quite some time and = it dropped back to 195. I didn't even have the electric fan hooked up yet. Your mileage may vary.... Hugo > From Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com Wed Apr 25 16:07:21 2001 > X-Sender: fishgod@mail.iglou.com > Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 18:21:10 -0400 > To: Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com > From: Michael Howell <fishgod@iglou.com> > Subject: One other thing...cooling > Mime-Version: 1.0 > > First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List > = ......................................................................... > Forgot to ask this in my last post... My radiator has started leaking > again so I think I'm going to just junk it and get a Desert Cooler from = > Ames. In the process I'm going to replace the water neck since it seems = to > be warped and occasionally drips too. Last year the previous owner put = a > 190 degree thermostat in, and I'm considering switching to a 180 as = offered > by Ames. The car runs about 210 degrees steady, any traffic or idle. = Does > this sound like a good idea or should I just leave the 190? Thanks > again... like everyone I trust the experts here to help make the best > decisions. > > Mike > 68 350 Coupe >
(back) Subject: Re: The 455/2004R are installed! From: <hugoba@apcom.com> Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 23:03:52 -0700 (PDT) Hey Pete, maybe I can pick you up from the airport. On another note, I got the Edelbrock manifod in as well as the Holley 750 = in and as the saying goes, oh what a difference a day makes. The car runs increddibly well. My friend Daniel and I took it on a shake down ride to Santa Cruz (it was about 78 degrees so what better place to go than the = beach) which takes us over a good climb over a hill over some windy road. The temperature never went over 210 and the car felt really strong. On the way back there was an accident so we sat iddling while the CHP held = traffic so that the wrecker could scoop up the pieces (a young kid spun = out and bounced from side to side). Anyway, the car temperature dropped a bit so = it was great. When I got back I hooked up the electric fan to a relay and switch and = added a switch for the lockup torque converter and everything looks great. I'm quite pleased with the Eddelbrock manifold and the Holley carb. The = throttle bracket had to be modified a bit (read bent) to clear under the air = cleaner. So tomorrow I just need to adjust the exhaust a bit since it rattles when = I hit bumps (the pipes hit the leafs where they cross over them) , check for any = leaks and pack up. Hugo > From Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com Wed Apr 25 21:11:28 2001 > X-WebTV-Signature: > 1 ETAsAhR/jemYVIQ6oDbiAqpdNpNheFqHjwIUXnoolVvtCOncOLea34y0bgf8qLs=3D > From: yaselskyp@webtv.net (pete) > Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 19:15:26 -0700 (PDT) > To: Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com (First Generation Firebird-L) > Subject: Re: The 455/2004R are installed! > Content-Disposition: Inline > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit > MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) > > First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List > = ......................................................................... > Andrew I just mentioned the Ill cause Im going to be flying into Ohare > and staying around hobart/portage area for a few days. I will also be > going down alittle south to Lowell, IN. Soooo I was hoping to meet up > with some people. Someone mentioned a swap meet a little north . I will > be arriving Chicago on the 2nd of May around 8 ish pm >
(back) Subject: Re: Gas Prices From: "76' Firebird" <pjozif@hotmail.com> Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 06:22:57 -0000 gas is $3.02 canadian and up to $3.60 per gallon Rod >No wonder you guys have money to spend on parts - all ours goes on gas. > >Does anyone else have gas prices for their country (Holland, Sweden, >Australia etc.) to compare to the US prices - anyone cheaper ? > > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.
(back) Subject: Re: Gas Prices From: "Niklas Ridell" <vcc2.nridell@memo.volvo.se> Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 09:05:28 +0200 I'm with you Ian. I find it quite amusing when people on the list start whining about gas = prices reaching 2 bucks. ....on the other hand I feel sorry for my self paying above $4 per gallon! /Niklas Sweden -------------------------- ian.highfield@actfs.co.uk wrote: > > Well guys, I would love to pay $2.15 a gallon. Over here in England, we = pay > 77p per litre, which is about $5.25 per gallon !!!! > > No wonder you guys have money to spend on parts - all ours goes on gas. > > Does anyone else have gas prices for their country (Holland, Sweden, > Australia etc.) to compare to the US prices - anyone cheaper ? > > Just interested. > > Took the Bird to the first show of the year, and what a great drive it = was. > Only about 60 miles from home, but loved every minute of it. > > Bye for now, > > Ian Highfield (England) > 350 Coupe >
(back) Subject: Rally gauges installed! From: "Ian Highfield" <Ian.Highfield@actfs.co.uk> Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 10:27:35 +0100 Bob, I to am in the position that you were in - i.e. 'driving blind'. By that = I mean, I have a 350 Coupe with a speedometer, fuel gauge (still only half working) and temperature warning light. I really would feel happier = driving with knowledge of the oil pressure and water temperature. However, I have a dilemma regarding the rally gauge setup. I have a = really straight and 'original' 350 Coupe (see it on the Owner Show Pages), and fitting the gauges will detract from the originality of the car. However, it would offer 'peace of mind' when driving - any views from the list on this one? Now here's the rub - I live in England, and have never seen the rally gauges, let alone had an opportunity to buy them. So can you guys on the list give me some pointers as to where I might get them, such that I can ship them to the UK. I will take your advise Bob and use the FAQ for directions. Also, I would be happy to have them refurbished in the USA = and then shipped to me. Precisionpontiac.com are good for me, if they are = good for the list members ! Thanks for any ideas or help that you may be able to give me. Ian Highfield (England) 350 Coupe
(back) Subject: Re turn signal replacement From: "Gary Patrick" <Gary@tcworks.net> Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 06:09:55 -0400 ROY says> If you've never had a column apart, I recommend you find a friend to walk you through it or be very careful and make detailed notes of EVERYTHING. Once you pull the "C" clip off the shaft, things and get pretty scary. If you can hold off, try to find a cheap column at you local U-Pull-It yard = and practice first on it. There are three little springs that, unless your careful, can get lost quickly. Good Luck, Roy Roy is right to practice on a donor column first. But you must stick to a 67 or 68 as 69 is totally different. Its no real big deal to replace switch with column in car. Tilts are harder but straight columns are a cake walk if you get the newer replacement switch with the straight (69 and newer style) wiring connector. You should also get an adapter that has the 67-8 curved (half moon shaped) wiring connector on a pig tail. to get the old switch out cut the wiring about 1/2 inch from old wiring connector remove three mounting screws and pull out. After you have cut off the connector tie a strong string or wire to harness to use as a pull string when installing the new one. When installing the new one bend the wiring connector at a 90 deg angle to = the wiring as to make it fit thru the small hole in column. After it is pulled thru straighten out the connector and plug in the = adapter. After a couple of these you can do blind folded. Gary
(back) Subject: Re: One other thing...cooling From: "Frank Zeller" <fzeller@tri-austin.com> Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 07:43:59 -0500 I converted from the 8 inch to 6.5 inch water pump pulley (about a 19 = percent increase) I had to pull the hub forward 0.200 to get it to line up = (69 Firebird 455 8 to 1 4-speed RA4 cam 4 core radiator). I believe the = pulley was off a 70 455. Required a new PS belt that was one size shorter. = Before the switch the car would slowly heat up in heavy stop and go = traffic or when left to idle for extended periods 200 to 210. After = installing I drove the car for 30 minutes then let it idle for 30 more = minutes. The hottest it got was 185 F (80 degrees outside temp). When I = opened the hood the temp dropped to 180 in about 2 minutes. Closed the = hood the temp went back up to 185. I plan to remove the flaps that are = attached to the fender wells that cover the upper A-arms to allow better = flow though with the hood down. You can hear the fan now at about 2000 = rpm. It heat up at 70 mph from 175-180 to 185. So it looks like the pump = speed/water velocity could be a little high. You can hear the fan at 7 >>> hugoba@apcom.com 04/25/01 11:54PM >>> First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List .......................................................................... Some people have experienced a higher temp with a lower temp thermostat. I put in a 160 in the 455 and with the desert cooler it holds 190 pretty = much all the time. Today I did a stress test and went to Santa Cruz over the mountains and the hotest it got was 210. On the way back there was an = accident and it had gotten to about 210 and then I iddled for quite some time and = it dropped back to 195. I didn't even have the electric fan hooked up yet. Your mileage may vary.... Hugo > From Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com Wed Apr 25 16:07:21 2001 > X-Sender: fishgod@mail.iglou.com > Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 18:21:10 -0400 > To: Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com > From: Michael Howell <fishgod@iglou.com> > Subject: One other thing...cooling > Mime-Version: 1.0 > > First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List > = ......................................................................... > Forgot to ask this in my last post... My radiator has started leaking > again so I think I'm going to just junk it and get a Desert Cooler from = > Ames. In the process I'm going to replace the water neck since it seems = to > be warped and occasionally drips too. Last year the previous owner put = a > 190 degree thermostat in, and I'm considering switching to a 180 as = offered > by Ames. The car runs about 210 degrees steady, any traffic or idle. = Does > this sound like a good idea or should I just leave the 190? Thanks > again... like everyone I trust the experts here to help make the best > decisions. > > Mike > 68 350 Coupe >
(back) Subject: RE: Gas Prices From: "bird@mail.javanet.com" <bird@mail.javanet.com> Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 08:50:25 -0400 It is a mistake to look at the price at the pump here in the US to = determine what we pay for gasoline. The fact is that we pay a great deal = in taxes to insure that we, and the rest of the world, have an = uninterrupted supply of petroleum out of the Middle East. The US focuses = much of its military attention on projecting power around to the globe to = oil-producing regions. This is enormously expensive. If you factor in the = taxes we pay to maintain our overwhelmingly powerful military that ensures = free-flowing oil (let alone the human costs, such as when our ships get = attacked and people killed in the Persian Gulf out of Yemen)to the US and = our Western allies, the real cost of gas is much much higher. I am not saying this is not a good thing - I would be a total hypocrite to = do so, since this summer I am driving a 92 Firebird with a V8 that gets = significantly less than 20 mpg (the way I drive it anyway :P). My 67 gets = similar mileage. I've only owned one car in my life that ever got more = than 30 mpg! But I am saying that our low PUMP price is a luxury for = which we pay in very high income and other taxes to support a strong = global military. Sorry for the contribution, I recognize this is a bit off-topic but it = gets tiresome hearing how lucky we are in the US to have low gas prices. = It's not luck, it's governmental policy. We don't pay it at the pump, we = pay it every April 15th. -------------------------------------------------------------------- Mail2Web - Check your email from the web at http://www.mail2web.com/ .