First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List Pontiac and BOP motor songs by "Jason Rogers" <jason.rogers@york.com> Paint colors by "Brett Luikkonen" <brett@cisdirect.com> 68 conv top colors by "Brett Luikkonen" <brett@cisdirect.com> Alpine Blue Coloured 68 Firebird - got a pic? by "Jason Rogers" <jason.rogers@york.com> RE: Alpine Blue Coloured 68 Firebird - got a pic? by "bird@mail.javanet.com" <bird@mail.javanet.com> Re: 68 conv top colors by "Brian Sargent" <bjsbird1@yahoo.com> Re: 67 Part search... by "John Clear" <jjclear@my-deja.com> RE: Acid dipping by "Tom Sexton" <indy@quixnet.net> Power Drivers Seat in 1969??? by <E21pilot@aol.com> Pontiac Museum by <E21pilot@aol.com> Stupid Heater Hose Question by "Jeff Lane" <JeffLane32@hotmail.com> Re: Pontiac Museum by "Zak" <jzakhar@home.com> (no subject) by <dfmcgr@cs.com> Fw: Stupid Heater Hose Question by "Jeff Lane" <JeffLane32@hotmail.com> Re: will 275-60s fit rear by <FIREBIRDACE@aol.com> His and Hers Shifter by "Stuart Langer" <stumann1@mindspring.com> Re: Help! Stuck lower control arm bolts! by "Ronsoy" <Ronsoy@bellsouth.net> 68 Rear Quarters by "Joanne Knight" <jknight3@kc.rr.com> Re: Windy City area meet by "Lee" <pyre400@yahoo.com> Power Steering Adj by "Jeff Frey" <FREYJ@mascorp.com> RE: Acid dipping by "Bob Cisneros" <Bob.Cisneros@Sun.COM> Sprint 4 speed by "Jeff Frey" <FREYJ@mascorp.com> 67 400 4V Intake by "Craig" <coreman@uniserve.com> Fw: [bandit-TA] Seat Belt Question by "Charlie & Rose Huntington" <badgoat@gwi.net> Re: Tyrol Blue Coloured 67 Firebird - by <codepnot@erols.com> Re: Firebird-L Digest #1884 by "Daniel Dominick" <ddominick@austinc.edu> Dreaming... by "Chris Porter" <fxstsb@qwest.net>
(back) Subject: Pontiac and BOP motor songs From: "Jason Rogers" <jason.rogers@york.com> Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 10:19:57 -0400 *Subject: Re: Pontiac and BOP motor songs *From: "Steve" <poncho68sa@hotmail.com> *Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 10:58:57 -0500 *Please... Dont tell me that when Stairway To Heaven comes on the peddle dont *go down a little more.. *----- Original Message ----- *From: "Kevin Young" <kyoung@sagelink.net> *To: "First Generation Firebird-L" <Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com> *Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2001 10:22 PM *Subject: Re: Pontiac and BOP motor songs Especially when the line "And as we wind on down the road..." comes on. (Down shift and punch it)
(back) Subject: Paint colors From: "Brett Luikkonen" <brett@cisdirect.com> Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 07:29:13 -0500 Hey everybody, I'm having a hard time choosing the color scheme for my new ride. The original colors were Cameo White body color, Ivory White vinyl roof and Parchment white interior. Any and all opinions will be taken into consideration. Thanks in advance. Ken Reimer Ken, I have to agree somewhat with Dan, I don't care for the Triple white as it seems that you are ready for a change also... As Dan mentioned IF you are going to redo the interior completely, I would go dark as it is the easiest to get in Deluxe etc... And for my taste, I love the more retro colors like Verdoro Green (always reminds me of total muscle) or the dark blues or burgundy. But each step to do a color change will be expensive and time consuming so If you can save one or more of the major color components i.e. the interior or the exterior being the most expensive to change... Well, I would try to do that. But if that is no issue... I say go dark! My $0.02! - Brett 67 Tyrol Blue Drop Top 455!
(back) Subject: 68 conv top colors From: "Brett Luikkonen" <brett@cisdirect.com> Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 07:42:08 -0500 Larry, contact Joseph Cione... His ultra rare convertible sounds like the color combination yours may have originally had. Go to the "On-Line Car Show" on the 1stGen site and go to the "Top Ten" his is #297. Yhe picture has the top down, but I'm perhaps he can show you some with the top up? 1968 Verdoro Green Pontiac Firebird Convertible Joseph Cione - FL, United States (4) - 297 Brett
(back) Subject: Alpine Blue Coloured 68 Firebird - got a pic? From: "Jason Rogers" <jason.rogers@york.com> Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 11:04:48 -0400 Subject: Re: Alpine Blue Coloured 68 Firebird - got a pic? From: "Geoff Martin" <Geoff@firstgenfirebird.org> Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 02:57:33 -0400 http://users.desupernet.net/jprogers/paintchips676869.htm I wish I had a better scan of this paint chart but I hope it helps. The picture the Alpine Blue convert in the archive looks to be original and really faded. I don't think that it is a good example to go by. I would try and get some paint charts from PPG.
(back) Subject: RE: Alpine Blue Coloured 68 Firebird - got a pic? From: "bird@mail.javanet.com" <bird@mail.javanet.com> Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 11:21:47 -0400 Geoff - sorry, no pic but I have seen the color. They are correct, it is = metallic silvery looking - in fact I recall it's sort of like the pontiac = engine blue from the same year which is almost silver with a blue tint to = it. Well maybe the hue is different but the idea that it looks silvery is = the same. Personally I think it's a great color. One suggestion would be to prep and spray a discarded fender just to look = at the color. Might cost a bit but would be more accurate probably than = trying to read colors accurately off a computer screen. Subject: Alpine Blue Coloured 68 Firebird - got a pic? From: "Geoff = Swavley" Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 09:46:20 +1000 Hi All, After 11 years and many $$$$ the paint is going on my Ram Air 1 firebird this week. I have given the shop the various colour codes which are supposed to be correct for alpine blue, but they want me to visually check it as the say it is a very metalic silvery type of blue and possibly not what I wanted. I have never seen an alpine blue (cowl tag code 'D') car .... and there's not a huge chance here in Australia of that happening. Does anyone have a photo or URL to a site where I could see a nice original alpine blue car? It's just a cross check as paint codes don't lie, but there are 4 blues available in 1968 - Alpine blue, Aegina Blue, Nordic Blue, Aleutian Blue - I know there is a well published press photo of a convertible in blue (I think it is in the Lamm book), does anyone know what colour blue that is? I always thought that was alpine blue but now I'm not so sure. thanks geoffs :-) -------------------------------------------------------------------- Mail2Web - Check your email from the web at http://www.mail2web.com/ .
(back) Subject: Re: 68 conv top colors From: "Brian Sargent" <bjsbird1@yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 09:01:21 -0700 (PDT) Brett, shouldn't that be #299? --- Brett Luikkonen <brett@cisdirect.com> wrote: > First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List > .......................................................................... > Larry, contact Joseph Cione... His ultra rare > convertible sounds like the > color > combination yours may have originally had. Go to the > "On-Line Car Show" > on the 1stGen site and go to the "Top Ten" his is > #297. Yhe picture has > the top down, but I'm perhaps he can show you some > with the top up? > > 1968 Verdoro Green Pontiac Firebird Convertible > Joseph Cione - FL, United States (4) - 297 > > Brett > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/
(back) Subject: Re: 67 Part search... From: "John Clear" <jjclear@my-deja.com> Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 09:04:54 -0700 Brett I just bought a pair for my 68 at the Englishtown swap meet. I have not = seen these for sale in any of the big name Pontiac vendors catalogs. I = checked out "Bill's Birds" and he sells them. I wasn't able to talk to him = too much, but he did say he produces alot of parts. He doesn't have a = catalog or web site so it's hard to know exactly what he has. They were a = little pricey, but the quality is excellent. I don't have his number with = me.(at work) Try the archives, if you don't find let me know. J. >Subject: 67 Part search... >From: "Brett Luikkonen" <brett@cisdirect.com> >Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 10:16:11 -0500 >Hi guy's, just checking to see if anyone has a front passenger >side turn signal housing and wiring socket... the whole assembly >that they could part with? >Mine is there but broken and needs to be replaced. >Thanks, Brett 67 Drop Top 455! ------------------------------------------------------------ --=3D=3D Sent via Deja.com =3D=3D-- http://www.deja.com/
(back) Subject: RE: Acid dipping From: "Tom Sexton" <indy@quixnet.net> Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 11:09:32 -0500 I had this done to my hood on Gp and it was not properly preped after = being finished and now I am getting rust through the top of the hood where there was none. Tom -----Original Message----- From: Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com [mailto:Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com]On Behalf Of Gerard Green Sent: Monday, April 30, 2001 12:51 AM To: First Generation Firebird-L Subject: Re: Acid dipping First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List .......................................................................... Hi all, I'm considering having my front subframe dipped to remove the old paint etc. The procedure is one type of acid to remove paint and grease followed by hydrochloric to remove rust (there is only a very small amount). Finally they will phosphate dip it. Does anyone have any comments on this type of procedure ?? I'm a little nervous 'cos I think I've heard horror stories in the past about acid dipping. Thanks Gerry Green
(back) Subject: Power Drivers Seat in 1969??? From: <E21pilot@aol.com> Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 12:19:53 EDT I was surprised to find out that a power drivers seat was an option for = the 1969 Firebird. I've never seen one and wondered if anyone has? Was = it a 4-way or 6-way power seat? I'd also like to know if it's possible to retrofit the power seat = mechanism from another F-body of the same or different year into the seats = of a 1969 Firebird. Has anyone attempted this? Love those power options, Rich W.
(back) Subject: Pontiac Museum From: <E21pilot@aol.com> Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 12:28:38 EDT I'm going to be in the Detroit area for the rest of the week. I've got = some free time and would like to check out the sites such as any Pontiac = Museums etc. Does anyone know if there is such a thing in Pontiac, MI? Thanks, Rich W.
(back) Subject: Stupid Heater Hose Question From: "Jeff Lane" <JeffLane32@hotmail.com> Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 12:44:35 -0400 I'm replacing the heater core in my 69 and wanted to ask the correct = routing of the heater hoses to the core and engine. Right now the car is by- = passing the heater core so I have no reference. Probably because it was leaking = and the previous owner didn't want to rip the fender off and interior apart to replace it. I don't blame him! :) But, having heat with the top down on a cool summer night is a good thing. So, from the radiator to the top of the core and the bottom goes to the engine? Or the other way around? Thanks, Jeff.
(back) Subject: Re: Pontiac Museum From: "Zak" <jzakhar@home.com> Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 14:12:59 -0400 Rich, Never heard of a Pontiac museum, but supposed to be an excellent car = museum at Greenfield Village at Henry Ford Museum. Features all cars. A = GTO is in the regular museum. Located in Dearborn MI. It's a world class = museum so it's worth the visit if you have time. Zak MI E21pilot@aol.com wrote: > First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List > = ......................................................................... > I'm going to be in the Detroit area for the rest of the week. I've got = some free time and would like to check out the sites such as any Pontiac = Museums etc. Does anyone know if there is such a thing in Pontiac, MI? > > Thanks, > > Rich W. >
(back) Subject: From: <dfmcgr@cs.com> Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 14:53:56 -0400 I was once the lucky owner of a 69 equipped with a power driver seat. In = fact, back in 1978 when I bought the car, the seat coupled with factory = tilt were two big reasons why I decided on that particular car. The = combination of the power seat and tilt wheel made it easy to squeeze my = 6'-2 1/2" frame into. The car was a 350, with tilt, pwr seat (4way) = automatic trunk release, a/c and deluxe interior. I was not so lucky with my current 69. No tilt and no power seat, but it = still feels great once I get situated. Rich wrote: I was surprised to find out that a power drivers seat was an option for = the 1969 Firebird. I've never seen one and wondered if anyone has? Was = it a 4-way or 6-way power seat? I'd also like to know if it's possible to retrofit the power seat = mechanism from another F-body of the same or different year into the seats = of a 1969 Firebird. Has anyone attempted this? Love those power options, Rich W.
(back) Subject: Fw: Stupid Heater Hose Question From: "Jeff Lane" <JeffLane32@hotmail.com> Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 15:45:24 -0400 Sorry, I meant from the water pump to the top of the heater core... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Lane" <JeffLane32@hotmail.com> To: "First Generation Firebird-L" <Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com> Sent: Monday, April 30, 2001 12:44 PM Subject: Stupid Heater Hose Question > First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List > = ......................................................................... > I'm replacing the heater core in my 69 and wanted to ask the correct routing > of the heater hoses to the core and engine. Right now the car is by- passing > the heater core so I have no reference. Probably because it was leaking and > the previous owner didn't want to rip the fender off and interior apart = to > replace it. I don't blame him! :) But, having heat with the top down on = a > cool summer night is a good thing. So, from the radiator to the top of = the > core and the bottom goes to the engine? Or the other way around? Thanks, > Jeff. > >
(back) Subject: Re: will 275-60s fit rear From: <FIREBIRDACE@aol.com> Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 16:25:59 EDT I have 275/60/15 tires on the rear of my 67 Firebird as well as 235/60/15 = on the fronts. Rear rims are 15x8 Crager SS with a 3 1/2 inch off set the = rears do stick out of the wheel wells on each side about 1/2, wanted 4 inch off = set rims but Crager say they don't make even numbered off sets =3D only 1 = 1/2, 2 1/2 ,3 1/2 etc and i knew 4 1/2 would be too much. The front tires = are mounted on 15x8 and DO rub a bit on FULL turns but is worth it to me for = the stance and look of the car. I have pics of my car with this set up if = anyone wants to see just email me, or even better my car is on this great web = sites picture section. Oh yea dont plan on putting too many people in the = backseat with the 275's unless you have some real strong springs\shocks .
(back) Subject: His and Hers Shifter From: "Stuart Langer" <stumann1@mindspring.com> Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 15:34:58 -0500 Several months ago, there was a discussion about putting a His and Hers shifter from a GTO into a Firebird. I just picked up one of those = shifters at a swap meet yesterday. If the person that did this already is still on the list, could you email me off list? I have several questions about the installation. Thanks, Stumann
(back) Subject: Re: Help! Stuck lower control arm bolts! From: "Ronsoy" <Ronsoy@bellsouth.net> Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 16:42:07 -0400 Maybe just cut the head off the bolt and drift it through the other side....Might mean the difference of a cold beer at 10pm or hospital visit at 2 am. :) RonMan
(back) Subject: 68 Rear Quarters From: "Joanne Knight" <jknight3@kc.rr.com> Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 17:47:59 -0500 Does anyone know if complete rear quarters with *sale panels*, for a 86 firebird, can still be purchased? And if so where?
(back) Subject: Re: Windy City area meet From: "Lee" <pyre400@yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 16:07:56 -0700 (PDT) Hey folks... Here is where we are at. On Wed, May 2nd, we will meet at Houlihans in Wheaton at 1:00pm. Hougo will be going by my house, and I can help him out with exact directions should he be interested. Wheaton is mostly a straight shot from I88, and about 1hour and 10 min from Joliet.. Basically here is how you get there... Take I88 (east west tollway) towards Lisle IL. You will get off of I88 and go to NAPERVILLE ROAD. Go NORTH on NAPERVILLE ROAD for about 3 Miles. You will come to a light for BUTTERFIELD ROAD. You will make a right (east) on BUTTERFIELD. Travel about 1 or 2 lights to RICE LAKE Sq and make a left. As soon as you make your left on to RICE LAKE you will see a Houlihans Restaurant on the left. There we can eat outdoors, and the average price for food is about $7.00 Other places in NAPERVILLE IL would not be good due to heavy construction and no parking. The addy for Houlihans is 321 Rice Lake Sq, Wheaton IL 60187. (630)-690-5550 www.houlihans.com Please let me know if you will be making it or if you will need help with directions. Also, make sure everybody knows the scoop. I was not able to get Joe Rotman's e-mail to work. Below is a link to mapquest to make your own driving directions. Just put in your start address, but beware it will not take you directly to Houlihans. It will, however, get you far enough to pick up my directions at Butterfield road. Talk with you later Lee http://www.mapquest.com/cgi-bin/mqtrip?link=3Dbtwn%2Ftwn-ddir_na_basic_main= &uid=3Duej167i6qbzse7jb%3A2lura0urb5&oabgcderr=3D&dabgcderr=3D&avoid_ferry= =3D&avoid_lmTD_access=3D&avoid_toll_roads=3D&route_type=3D&results_display_= mode=3D&LangOpt=3D&AB_LABELS=3D&WORK=3D&CCNA=3D&ADDR_0=3D&OPC=3Dnull&CITY_0= =3D&STATE_0=3D&ZIP_0=3D&CC_0=3DUS&NADDDAH=3D&ADDR_1=3D321+RICE+LAKE+SQ&DPC= =3Dnull&CITY_1=3DWHEATON&STATE_1=3DIL&ZIP_1=3D60187-2195&CC_1=3DUS&POIRad= =3D2.0&dir.x=3D52&dir.y=3D8 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/
(back) Subject: Power Steering Adj From: "Jeff Frey" <FREYJ@mascorp.com> Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 13:48:44 -0700 Is there a way to tone down the amount of pressure assist that the ps pump gives? I saw a power steering "tuner" (looks like a return valve of = sorts) in a street rod mag and wonder if it is worth the $75. Any body use one of these? I have (a few years back) added power steering to my 68 6-cyl. It is from = a 66 Lemans, if I remember right. Lately, I am tired of the power steering being too good. itend to overstear too easily and it really takes away = from the solid feel of the car. If I run it w/o the power steering the front = end is rock solid, and feels excellent. It is just a bitch to park. Thanks, Jeff
(back) Subject: RE: Acid dipping From: "Bob Cisneros" <Bob.Cisneros@Sun.COM> Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 16:35:17 -0700 (PDT) Gerry Green writes: >I'm considering having my front subframe dipped to remove >the old paint etc. > >The procedure is one type of acid to remove paint and grease >followed by hydrochloric to remove rust (there is only a very >small amount). One draw back to acid dipping is that if the clean-up isn't thorough, traces can bleed through the paint and cause blistering or rusting, as Tom Sexton reports. Items with hidden nooks or pockets where the acid cannot be cleaned off adaquately can hold the acid, to come out later. Also, these hidden areas now have no paint or crud to protect the metal from rust since you cannot get paint into areas you cannot see. On thin sheetmetal parts like hoods, or body shells, this is a particular worry. The phosphate dip will probably not provide enough protection in the long run, especially in humid regions, or if the car is exposed to frequent rain or snow. On my car, I scraped off the grease, dirt, and flaking paint with a paint scraper and cleaned using a degreaser. Then I used a heavy wire wheel on an angle grinder to get the more stubborn paint and surface rust off my subframe (off the car). One advantage to this time consuming process was that I could then grind or chisel off the welding slag and other blemishes. It's amazing how sloppy the factory was. I spent several hours over a number of days preping the subframe. I applied POR-15 to all accessable areas, even inside the boxed fram area, as far as I could reach. There were areas I knew would not be covered, but then I didn't grind down to bare metal there either. -BoB San Jose, CA 1968 convertible bob.cisneros@Sun.COM
(back) Subject: Sprint 4 speed From: "Jeff Frey" <FREYJ@mascorp.com> Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 16:08:24 -0700 Will pretty much any vintage 4 speed (manual) work in a Sprint? Or does = the taller 1st and 2nd gearing make a significant difference? What was the model B/W? Thanks, Jeff
(back) Subject: 67 400 4V Intake From: "Craig" <coreman@uniserve.com> Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 17:27:41 -0700 Looking for a 4bbl intake for a 67 400. Any ideas? Craig
(back) Subject: Fw: [bandit-TA] Seat Belt Question From: "Charlie & Rose Huntington" <badgoat@gwi.net> Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 20:38:01 -0400 Anyone have any 2nd gen insight on my question below? Check out www.badgoat.net -----Original Message----- From: Charlie & Rose Huntington <badgoat@gwi.net> To: bandit-TA@yahoogroups.com <bandit-TA@yahoogroups.com> Date: Monday, April 30, 2001 5:45 AM Subject: [bandit-TA] Seat Belt Question My 77 bandit has retractors at the top of the shoulder belt and at the bottom of the lap belt. My question is what years used a fixed end on the lap belt and what years used a retractor? Were there years that both were used? Check out www.badgoat.net To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: bandit-TA-unsubscribe@egroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
(back) Subject: Re: Tyrol Blue Coloured 67 Firebird - From: <codepnot@erols.com> Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 21:17:36 -0400 Subject is the original color of my 67 Bird convt. Anyone know what that looks like? Robert D
(back) Subject: Re: Firebird-L Digest #1884 From: "Daniel Dominick" <ddominick@austinc.edu> Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 20:39:59 -0500 Geoffs S and M, I'm not so sure that the color of Lee Gilbreath's 68 (http://FirstGenFirebird.org/show/closeup.mv?CarID=3D95 ) is coming = through correctly or accurately--my 68 is Meridian Tourquoise and looks very similar (a great color). I just had it painted with laquer and am sure it's correct because it matches the never painted places under the = interior and in the trunk. Dan 68 Sprint Convertible (K code Meridian Tourquoise) >Subject: Re: Alpine Blue Coloured 68 Firebird - got a pic? >From: "Geoff Martin" <Geoff@firstgenfirebird.org> >Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 02:57:33 -0400 > >Geoff S., > >There is one Alpine Blues in the online show area. > >Lee GIlbreath's '68 >http://FirstGenFirebird.org/show/closeup.mv?CarID=3D95 > >I have seen one in person and loved the color. > >Geoff M. >'68 Mayfair Maize Firebird 350 Convertible ><http://FirstGenFirebird.org/show/closeup.mv?CarID=3D46> ><Geoff@FirstGenFirebird.org> > >>alpine blue (cowl tag code 'D') car .... and there's not a huge >>chance here in Australia of that happening. Does anyone have a photo >>or URL to a site where I could see a nice original alpine blue car?
(back) Subject: Dreaming... From: "Chris Porter" <fxstsb@qwest.net> Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 19:00:58 -0700 Take a look at this picture of our newborn baby, Chase. He's still in the hospital, but doing good. Hopefully in about 3-4 week's, he can come home and see the real one in the garage. Until that time, he's got this one to dream about. http://FirstGenFirebird.org/show/graphics/cars/101.gif Chris `68 350 H.O. Drop-top P.S. THANKS for the help Geoff ! ! !