First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List Re: Acid dipping by <JGeigel@aol.com> RE: Dreaming... by "Dean Larson" <deanlarson@mediaone.net> RE: Acid dipping by "Gerard Green" <gerryg@icpdd.neca.nec.com.au> Re: Pontiac Museum by "Hugo Tafel" <hugoptour@yahoo.com> RE: Cocktail Shaker's by "Bryan & Mone' Young" <bryandmo@home.com> Re: Alpine Blue Coloured 68 Firebird - got a pic? by <SteveBrady1@aol.com> What is it? by "Ensom" <censom@home.com> Re: Tyrol Blue Coloured 67 Firebird - by "Geoff Martin" <Geoff@firstgenfirebird.org> thamk all for the help with Alpine blue. by "Geoff Swavley" <geoffs@radx.net> Power Steering Adj by "Gary Patrick" <Gary@tcworks.net> Sprint 4 speed by "Gary Patrick" <Gary@tcworks.net> RE : Dreaming... by "Dale J. Barkla" <systech@tig.com.au> Re: Re: Broken Axel by "Charlie Mellone" <cmellone@bellsouth.net> Power Drivers Seat in 1969 by "Jason Rogers" <jason.rogers@york.com> Dreaming... by "Jason Rogers" <jason.rogers@york.com>
(back) Subject: Re: Acid dipping From: <JGeigel@aol.com> Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 23:03:10 EDT In a message dated 4/29/2001 11:50:50 PM Pacific Daylight Time,=20 gerryg@icpdd.neca.nec.com.au writes: Gerry, I had mine acid dipped years ago. =A0=A0Mine came out great and has never ha= d a=20 problem with leaching of the acid. =A0=A0I did a couple of things to prevent= =20 this. =A0=A0First, I washed the frame with soap and water when I got it back= ..=20 =A0=A0After a long rinse, I blew it dry with compressed air. =A0Then I spray= ed the=20 whole frame with lacquer thinner and again air dried it. =A0=A0I then primed= it.=20 =A0=A0no problemo!!! Joe Geigel Hi all, I'm considering having my front subframe dipped to remove=20 the old paint etc. The procedure is one type of acid to remove paint and grease followed by hydrochloric to remove rust (there is only a very small amount). Finally they will phosphate dip it. Does anyone have any comments on this type of procedure ?? I'm a little nervous 'cos I think I've heard horror stories in the past about acid dipping. Thanks Gerry Green
(back) Subject: RE: Dreaming... From: "Dean Larson" <deanlarson@mediaone.net> Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 22:10:03 -0500 Chris, Great picture! Glad to hear the young one is doing well. ~Dean '69 Coupe Take a look at this picture of our newborn baby, Chase. He's still in the hospital, but doing good. Hopefully in about 3-4 week's, he can come home and see the real one in the garage. Until that time, he's got this one to dream about. http://FirstGenFirebird.org/show/graphics/cars/101.gif Chris `68 350 H.O. Drop-top P.S. THANKS for the help Geoff ! ! !
(back) Subject: RE: Acid dipping From: "Gerard Green" <gerryg@icpdd.neca.nec.com.au> Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 13:37:23 +1000 Hi, Thanks Tom and Bob for the info on acid dipping. I've gone right off the idea now. Elbow grease seems the safest way forward. Gerry
(back) Subject: Re: Pontiac Museum From: "Hugo Tafel" <hugoptour@yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 21:21:30 -0700 (PDT) And don't forget that the Hot Rod Power Tour will have a kickoff party in Pontiac Michigan on May 3rd starting at 12:00 noon. There's going to be cars of all types there as well as vendors and music and freebies. I'm on my way out there now (currently in beautiful York Nebraska and making my way there from CA). Look me up if you do make it. My cell # is 408-594-1081 (If Nextel works there??). Hugo --- Zak <jzakhar@home.com> wrote: > First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List > .......................................................................... > Rich, > > Never heard of a Pontiac museum, but supposed to be > an excellent car museum at Greenfield Village at > Henry Ford Museum. Features all cars. A GTO is in > the regular museum. Located in Dearborn MI. It's a > world class museum > so it's worth the visit if you have time. > > Zak > MI > > E21pilot@aol.com wrote: > > > First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List > > > .......................................................................... > > I'm going to be in the Detroit area for the rest > of the week. I've got some free time and would like > to check out the sites such as any Pontiac Museums > etc. Does anyone know if there is such a thing in > Pontiac, MI? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Rich W. > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/
(back) Subject: RE: Cocktail Shaker's From: "Bryan & Mone' Young" <bryandmo@home.com> Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 21:31:42 -0700 Chris can you email me off line about the cocktail shakers and whats up = with the rear. Anyway I can't email you off line because my outlook does not = show who sent the message to the list. Anyway if you could email me we can = talk. thanks again. Bryan -----Original Message----- From: Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com [mailto:Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com]On Behalf Of Chris Porter Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 11:48 AM To: First Generation Firebird-L Subject: Cocktail Shaker's First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List .......................................................................... Bryan, I will be getting the set from Joe. I need the two front, and am going to compare the rear's. E-mail me off the list, and I will save your message. I will be picking them up next month. I'll contact you then to see where you are at with your search. That work for you ? Chris `68 350 H.O. Drop-top
(back) Subject: Re: Alpine Blue Coloured 68 Firebird - got a pic? From: <SteveBrady1@aol.com> Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 01:06:56 EDT I'm pretty sure that my 400 hood is Alpine Blue, believe me, this color = looks truly awesome. Here are a few links to pics of my hood. Can anyone verify this for me? (Case Sensitive!) http://members.nbci.com/srb/april30/400%20Hood.JPG http://members.nbci.com/srb/april30/More%20400.JPG http://members.nbci.com/srb/april30/Scoop.JPG http://members.nbci.com/srb/april30/The%20Scoop.JPG Steve Brady 68 400 Convertible http://members.nbci.com/srb/
(back) Subject: What is it? From: "Ensom" <censom@home.com> Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 23:23:40 -0700 I hope I can get some help in solving this little mystery. Here are the clues that I have at this point. A have a buzzing sound that is being made by made by my 1969 Firebird Convertible (350 originally with 2 bbl.). Pretty much all original, a bit = of a plain jane (manual roof) 3speed auto on column. What does the buzzing sound like? It sounds a bit like the following: a fog horn in the far distance, an electric fuel pump when the ignition is first turned on, a muffled seat = belt alarm or a muffled door alarm even an ignition alarm muffled or a electric pump operating or a power antennae. It definitely sounds electric with a vibration type sound to it and lasts about 5-7 seconds at a time. When did it start? I have had the car for 3-4 years, and have only heard this buzzing in the last week. I first heard it after parking the car but now hear it all the time, even when it has been sitting for 48 hours. It happens when running (I believe I just heard it an hour ago when idling) but hard to tell over motor. How frequent is it? It occurs quite regularly about every 2 to 7 minutes 24 hours a day. Has anything been changed recently? No, the last thing I did was change seat upholstery a couple of months = ago. I did get a wheel alignment a couple of weeks ago, done by a reputable = shop. Where does it come from? When I am in the drivers seat it seems to come from the power antennae in the trunk (mounted on top of 1/4 panel passenger rear, I believe the = correct position). When in the passenger seat it can seem to come from the transmission, or the passenger side front floor vent. When my wife was in the passenger seat she felt a vibation come through the seat in an area by her right knee. When I look under the car from passenger side it seems to come from right around the oil filter. When I lie under the filter = holding it for some kind of vibration it seems to come from the rear of the car. >From my head in the trunk it seems to come from the interior. I am not crazy (maybe old ears), cause I got my son (20 yr old ears) to try to = locate it as well and he can't, it moves on him as well. Even when we look = together (from different positions) we end up pointing to different sources (tried this a number of times). Is it electrical? No, I have disconnected the battery and it continues. I had thought it might be air leaking from the air shocks (in the rear) = but jacking up the front to put more weight on them doesn't seem to vary the noise at all. I would be grateful to any of you sleuths out there that think they can solve what this sound is and where it is coming from. Thanks White Bird censom@home.com
(back) Subject: Re: Tyrol Blue Coloured 67 Firebird - From: "Geoff Martin" <Geoff@firstgenfirebird.org> Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 02:29:06 -0400 Like Alpine, you can find an example in our online show: http://FirstGenFirebird.org/show/closeup.mv?CarID=3D39 Along with this, you can find an example in our body tag information page: http://FirstGenFirebird.org/firebird/1967/body_tag.html Geoff '68 Mayfair Maize Firebird 350 Convertible <http://FirstGenFirebird.org/show/closeup.mv?CarID=3D46> <Geoff@FirstGenFirebird.org> >Subject is the original color of my 67 Bird convt. Anyone know what >that looks like? >Robert D
(back) Subject: thamk all for the help with Alpine blue. From: "Geoff Swavley" <geoffs@radx.net> Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 18:39:44 +1000 This list is the best! I have forwarded the info to the spray painter I had some good responses and just wanted to thank everyone. The car is getting close to completion ... I can hardly wait! geoffs :-)
(back) Subject: Power Steering Adj From: "Gary Patrick" <Gary@tcworks.net> Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 06:13:53 -0400 Jeff its not the pump its the gearbox that makes the difference. Go buy a gear box from any Trans Am 69-78 and use that. Better yet is the WS-6 Trans Am box from 78-81(2.2 turns ) Pump is just fine. Check Achieves for notes on this.Gary Subject: Power Steering Adj From: "Jeff Frey" <FREYJ@mascorp.com> Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 13:48:44 -0700 Is there a way to tone down the amount of pressure assist that the ps pump gives? I saw a power steering "tuner" (looks like a return valve of = sorts) in a street rod mag and wonder if it is worth the $75. Any body use one of these? I have (a few years back) added power steering to my 68 6-cyl. It is from = a 66 Lemans, if I remember right. Lately, I am tired of the power steering being too good. itend to overstear too easily and it really takes away = from the solid feel of the car. If I run it w/o the power steering the front = end is rock solid, and feels excellent. It is just a bitch to park. Thanks, Jeff
(back) Subject: Sprint 4 speed From: "Gary Patrick" <Gary@tcworks.net> Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 06:17:57 -0400 Jeff best one is a 4 speed from a v-6 Monza or Sunbird. Saginaws range from 256 first gear to a 350 first gear. Muncie and BW will also work. Saginaw was a Sprint 4 speed 3.11 for 66-7 and 2.85 for 68-9 Gary Subject: Sprint 4 speed From: "Jeff Frey" <FREYJ@mascorp.com> Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 16:08:24 -0700 Will pretty much any vintage 4 speed (manual) work in a Sprint? Or does = the taller 1st and 2nd gearing make a significant difference? What was the model B/W? Thanks, Jeff
(back) Subject: RE : Dreaming... From: "Dale J. Barkla" <systech@tig.com.au> Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 20:47:47 +1000 Chris, Great Pic. Love the little 'bird in that tightly clenched hand. Looks like you'll have to watch out with those keys to the real bird.....one day you might not get them back! ;-) .......cheers, Dale '68 = Conv.
(back) Subject: Re: Re: Broken Axel From: "Charlie Mellone" <cmellone@bellsouth.net> Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 07:23:41 -0400 Jim, My axle broke because of a manufacturing defect in the the steel which = took 33 years to show up. It broke at the point where the cylindrical axle shaft is pressed into the drum stud mounting plate. It looks like the axle = is constructed by a heated pressing operation of these two parts. In my case, the pressing seemed to have initiated a small crack in the end of = the shaft at the point where it enters the mounting plate. The broken = shaft also looked like it was internally defective because about 1/2" diameter = center of the axle shaft core looked like it was rolled/cast too cold and = had a rough texture compared to the surrounding metal. Reminds me of a cold = solder connection. Yes it was lucky I was going slow and there was minimal damage. I just = competed a 3.5 year body restoration and paint. The good news is that my car is back on the road. I just pulled an axle = out of a 68 POSI rear that I acquired and it was ready to go. By the way, = this spare rear has 4.88 gears! Talk about fast off the line. I need to swap = these out for 3.36's. If anyone has 3.36's to sell or trade let me know. Charlie ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Subject: Re: Broken Axle From: <Jimc2002@aol.com> Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 19:16:28 EDT Charlie, You were fortunate to be at low speed with no accident involved. I had a growl in my left rear axle years ago and when a Pont dealer opened = it up they found the left rear axle bearing had cut about 1/2 way through the axle shaft and it would soon break through. Since I've heard that that = was a potential Firebird problem. was that what caused yours? If so - we = should all beware. Jim 68 400HO Conv
(back) Subject: Power Drivers Seat in 1969 From: "Jason Rogers" <jason.rogers@york.com> Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 08:21:04 -0400
(back) Subject: Power Drivers Seat in 1969??? From: <E21pilot@aol.com> Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 12:19:53 EDT I was surprised to find out that a power drivers seat was an option for = the 1969 Firebird. I've never seen one and wondered if anyone has? Was it a 4-way or 6-way power seat? I'd also like to know if it's possible to retrofit the power seat = mechanism from another F-body of the same or different year into the seats of a 1969 Firebird. Has anyone attempted this? Love those power options, Rich W. Rich, My 1969 Firebird has the power seat. It goes front to back and up and = down. It is not original to the car, but I am almost 100% certain it is 1969. I can take pictures if you like. Apparently, the guy that restored mine had = a doner car that had AC and this power seat. He used the dash, (with the AC vents even though there is no AC), doors, and console. It is my understanding that the power seat option was like $350-$400 bucks. That would be like spending $1000 today. Jason
(back) Subject: Dreaming... From: "Jason Rogers" <jason.rogers@york.com> Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 08:28:17 -0400 Subject: Dreaming... From: "Chris Porter" <fxstsb@qwest.net> Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 19:00:58 -0700 Take a look at this picture of our newborn baby, Chase. He's still in the hospital, but doing good. Hopefully in about 3-4 week's, he can come home and see the real one in the garage. Until that time, he's got this one to dream about. http://FirstGenFirebird.org/show/graphics/cars/101.gif Chris `68 350 H.O. Drop-top P.S. THANKS for the help Geoff ! ! ! Chris, congratulations! I will be joining you in sleep depervation land pretty soon (June 26th). At first I didn't see what was in his hands. Start em' young! Jason