First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List Re: Ram Air intake with A/C? by <Framair@aol.com> 400 emblem position by "Joanne Knight" <jknight3@kc.rr.com> 68 front grills needed by "Joanne Knight" <jknight3@kc.rr.com> Re: Dragstrip rookie! by "Hugo Tafel" <hugoptour@yahoo.com> '67 Coupe parts ca $300 on Ebay by "Dale J. Barkla" <systech@tig.com.au> Monroe swap meet by "Chris Porter" <fxstsb@qwest.net> RE Re: Ram Air intake with A/C? by "Gary Patrick" <Gary@tcworks.net> Re: What's the 3J for on my Body Tag? by <codepnot@erols.com> ram air and ac by "Joseph Cione" <cione@aoml.noaa.gov> RE: Can't remove shocks by "Gerard Green" <gerryg@icpdd.neca.nec.com.au> RE: What's the 3J for on my Body Tag? by "johnta1" <johnta1@worthlink.net> RE: What's the 3J for on my Body Tag? by "johnta1" <johnta1@worthlink.net> RE: Can't remove shocks by "Fred Tullock" <tullockf@esslink.com> RE: Can't remove shocks by "x1r1 x" <x1r1@hotmail.com> Re: Can't remove shocks by "Glenn Uettwiller" <birdman@gdi.net> New Old Car by "Glenn Uettwiller" <birdman@gdi.net> Re: '67 Coupe parts ca $300 on Ebay by "Niklas Ridell" <vcc2.nridell@memo.volvo.se> Re : Re: '67 Coupe parts ca $300 on Ebay by "Dale J. Barkla" <systech@tig.com.au>
(back) Subject: Re: Ram Air intake with A/C? From: <Framair@aol.com> Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 23:40:11 EDT From: fyrebird68@hotmail.com (Bob Trimpe) >Chuck Leavell it the original of a special-order 68 400 with air, = pictured >on my website: >href=3D"http://www.geocities.com/bobtrimpe/Page7Indyshow.html">http://www.= geo >cities.com/bobtrimpe/Page7Indyshow.html >He told me the story of ordering it. Seems he wanted a 400 4-speed with = A/C. >The factory told him he couldn't get a 400 4-speed with air, but he could = >get it with the automatic. That's what he ordered. I would guess that the = same >restriction applied to ramair cars ( and to 1969 cars, too) >BTW, he also told the factory to delete the hood tach, because he now was = >getting an automatic, and they also deleted the rally gauges (seems they >were a package) ....It was not uncommon to change an order once it was placed due to = customer preferences. To say something was a 'delete' implies that it was = with-held when normally it was to be there. Such would be the case with the Radio, heater and things like sound deadner. Air Cond. on a '68 Firebird 400 = w/auto trans was not considered a special order option. What really WOULD be special order is a 400/4spd car with factory A/C. We've all heard or even = seen what apepars to be factory set-ups on 4spd cars but w/o proper documentation. I would venture to guess that there were plenty of very special-ordered one-of-a-kind Pontiac's built during the 60's. Consider = all the managers, executives and wealthy individuals who had to have a certain = car built a certain way. Back then, you could have it your way if you = knew someone or had enough money... AND from the factory. Consider the one of a kind '68 Camaro Z/28 Conv. built for Pete Estes. So, I wouldn't be surprised one day to see a documented factory air 4spd = 1st gen Firebird show up. Until the Billing History Files are open for = research, no one can say w/o a doubt that anything was or was not built a certain = way. John FRamair@aol.com Semper Fi Ephesians 4:32
(back) Subject: 400 emblem position From: "Joanne Knight" <jknight3@kc.rr.com> Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 23:08:08 -0500 I'm trying to determine the original location for the 400 emblems on a 400 hood. Does anyone know the exact positioning of them or have a good = picture of a hood with the emblems? Thanks dk
(back) Subject: 68 front grills needed From: "Joanne Knight" <jknight3@kc.rr.com> Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 23:12:24 -0500 Does anyone have extra 400 front grills with the chrome inserts in good condition that they'd like to sell? dk
(back) Subject: Re: Dragstrip rookie! From: "Hugo Tafel" <hugoptour@yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 22:57:15 -0700 (PDT) Wow, prety good numbers! What was your 60' time? You might be able to improve with lower rear end gears (higher ratio) but it depends on the 60' time. It might also hinder you on street tires unles you feather the accellerator on takeoff (to keep from spinning the tires). Hugo --- Eric Heinrich <ericheinrich@hotmail.com> wrote: > First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List > .......................................................................... > Hey all, > > Took the 'bird to New England Dragway in Epping NH > for the first time ever. > The car is a 67 400 coupe, rebuilt motor but the > rebuild was pretty close to > stock. Stock carb, heads, block, intake & exhuast > manifolds. 2.5" exhaust > from the manifold back. 3.08 open rear axle. > > Pizza-cutter radial street tires and I pulled off a > 13.759 @ 100.33 mph!!! > > I'll have a pic for you all soon. What a blast! > > Eric > 67 400 coupe in Boston > > http://www.bmw.williamsf1.com/ > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/
(back) Subject: '67 Coupe parts ca $300 on Ebay From: "Dale J. Barkla" <systech@tig.com.au> Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 16:29:49 +1000 '67 Coupe parts car in Milwaukee WI on Ebay. Now if only I lived in the = US :-( ....has a buy now for $300 see http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D58883 = 3898 thought someone might be interested.....cheers, Dale '68 Conv in Oz
(back) Subject: Monroe swap meet From: "Chris Porter" <fxstsb@qwest.net> Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 15:34:32 -0700 What time are you going to be there ? Sat or Sun ? Ride ??? What are you riding ??? Chris `68 350 H.O. Drop-top `96 FXSTSB ( hence the e-mail address )
(back) Subject: RE Re: Ram Air intake with A/C? From: "Gary Patrick" <Gary@tcworks.net> Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 10:22:10 -0400 Bob says> Subject: Re: Ram Air intake with A/C? From: "Bob Trimpe" <fyrebird68@hotmail.com> Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 22:46:41 -0400 Chuck Leavell it the original of a special-order 68 400 with air, pictured on my website: He told me the story of ordering it. Seems he wanted a 400 4-speed with = A/C. The factory told him he couldn't get a 400 4-speed with air, but he could get it with the automatic. That's what he ordered. I would guess that the same restriction applied to ramair cars ( and to 1969 cars, too) BTW, he also told the factory to delete the hood tach, because he now was getting an automatic, and they also deleted the rally gauges (seems they were a package) Bob I would love to see some more pics of Chucks car if you could email = them. Is it Code K Meridian Turquoise? Original paint? I love that color combo. It is a refreshing change from the april gold /verdero green cars. As for the facts on the options you say he got, There was no gauges and hood tach package where you deleted choice of them. Each was a separate option and could be ordered on any engine combo. He is correct in that 68s couldnt get a/c with any 4 speed except the base = OHC-6. There was alot of discussion in past years on this list of this subject. Gary
(back) Subject: Re: What's the 3J for on my Body Tag? From: <codepnot@erols.com> Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 11:09:29 -0400 I don't know about that but, the model number is apparently incorrect (67 coupe is 22337). Your tag says 22637. Are my eyes deceiving me? Robert
(back) Subject: ram air and ac From: "Joseph Cione" <cione@aoml.noaa.gov> Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 11:11:49 -0700 guys, for what its worth, ac was avaialble on both auto and ac cars in 69 (not true for 68 see below). However, NONE of the true ram air cars ever received factory AC. (ie 67-8 ram air I, 68 ram air II or 69 ram air IV equipped cars) now the 1969 400HO cars (dubbed 'ram air III' in 1969 when you also added cold air induction option) could get AC no matter what tranny you ordered... why? well im guesing because the RA III cars, aka 400HO in '68, were esssentially standard 400 cars (especially the auto equipped "RA III/400ho" cars). Outside of the longbranch manifolds all 400ho/ra III all cars received, they were pretty much std 400 cars (ie no mandatory 3.90s, no special 400 heads, no upgraded cam, no beefier lower end (all 2 bolt mains), etc) note: the manual 69 RA III s DID get the upgraded 068 cam but not much beyond that. so since RA III cars were very close to std 400 cars mechanically/performance wise PMD must have figured that it was ok to get ac for these cars. Please though, no RA III flames! the pontiac 400 is an awesome block in *whatever flavor* it originally came in! its just that i think the 'RAM AIR III' monaker is a bit misleading to many espeically since its 'numerically higher' than RAM AIR I and II. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 68 manual tranny and ac... ama specs show that pontiac did NOT offer ac if you ordered a manual gearbox in 1968 note however that this was NOT true in 1967 and 1969 when ac and manual birds COULD be ordere4d. why this is so is one of pmds minor little mysteries.... take care, joe
(back) Subject: RE: Can't remove shocks From: "Gerard Green" <gerryg@icpdd.neca.nec.com.au> Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 10:14:03 +1000 Hi all, I'm dismantling my front suspension for painting. The problem is the shocks don't fit thru the holes in the lower control arms, so I can't remove them. Anyone had this problem ?? Is there a safe way to dismantle everything without pulling out the shocks and springs first. I should say that the subframe is off the car. Thanks Gerry Green '69 conv.
(back) Subject: RE: What's the 3J for on my Body Tag? From: "johnta1" <johnta1@worthlink.net> Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 21:43:21 -0500 Under 1st gen fbird page on '67 Five Group Accessory Code System , http://FirstGenFirebird.org/firebird/FAQ/codes/dataplate.html#67group_codes= it looks like it could be for a custom option,especially since you have custom interior. John Wallace Wallace Racing Pontiac Power RULES !!! http://www.wallaceracing.com > On my 67 Coupe, there is a 3J on the Body Tag and I have no idea > what it's indicative of. There's a picture of it here: > http://user.icx.net/~lee4uhere/auctions/current/1/bodytag.jpg > > Any ideas? > > Thanks! > > Lee > 67 Signet Gold on Signet Gold 326 Coupe > 68 Alpine Blue on Teal Sprint Convertible - in Restoration > http://user.icx.net/~lee4uhere/68bird -It (tm) to a>
(back) Subject: RE: What's the 3J for on my Body Tag? From: "johnta1" <johnta1@worthlink.net> Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 21:48:15 -0500 22637 is the Sport Coupe. John Wallace Wallace Racing Pontiac Power RULES !!! http://www.wallaceracing.com > I don't know about that but, the model number is apparently incorrect > (67 coupe is 22337). Your tag says 22637. Are my eyes deceiving me? > Robert
(back) Subject: RE: Can't remove shocks From: "Fred Tullock" <tullockf@esslink.com> Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 23:04:31 -0400 Normally just rotating the shock so that the flats line up with the flats = in the control arm opening is enough to do it. I had a frame with "road leveler" shocks that had helper springs over the shocks. If you have = those, you could find the end of the spring, get it started through the control arm, and rotate the entire helper spring through the control arm opening. Not fun. I was able to release the C clip at that top that held the two halves of the helper spring perch to the shock, and then remove the shock without the helper spring. If do you have the helper springs it may be easier to cut them apart in place. I dismantled my suspension by using a poor mans spring compressor, a long 1/2" threaded rod with plates and nuts on each end, but I had to get the shocks out first. Hope this is some help. Fred Tullock 68 Sprint Convertible -----Original Message----- From: Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com [mailto:Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com]On Behalf Of Gerard Green Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2001 8:14 PM To: First Generation Firebird-L Subject: RE: Can't remove shocks First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List .......................................................................... Hi all, I'm dismantling my front suspension for painting. The problem is the shocks don't fit thru the holes in the lower control arms, so I can't remove them. Anyone had this problem ?? Is there a safe way to dismantle everything without pulling out the shocks and springs first. I should say that the subframe is off the car. Thanks Gerry Green '69 conv.
(back) Subject: RE: Can't remove shocks From: "x1r1 x" <x1r1@hotmail.com> Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 21:20:16 -0700 I have never seen that on a GM car Are they air shocks? unbolt the shock tops leave the shocks in, they will serve as a safety pin to keep the springs from flying into...a problem area. Unbolt the brake line retainers, or = undo one end of each hose. Undo the lower control arm bolts and watch the arms pop free. then undo the upper control arm shaft and pry it free. it is easy at this = point to remove steering box and idler arm. I did this a little while ago with the wheels and tires installed. Just put the suspension back on this evening, all still in one peice. I = had previously cut my springs half a coil, and with a helper it was difficult = to install the springs, took maybe 2 frustrating hours. If I ever do that again, ill undo the ball joints prior to reassembly. Rowan PS Today I drooled on my freshly painted subframe, inner fenders radiator = support and hood underside... >From: "Gerard Green" <gerryg@icpdd.neca.nec.com.au> >>Hi all, > >I'm dismantling my front suspension for painting. The problem >is the shocks don't fit thru the holes in the lower control >arms, so I can't remove them. > >Anyone had this problem ?? > >Is there a safe way to dismantle everything without pulling >out the shocks and springs first. > >I should say that the subframe is off the car. > >Thanks >Gerry Green >'69 conv. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
(back) Subject: Re: Can't remove shocks From: "Glenn Uettwiller" <birdman@gdi.net> Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 00:29:30 -0400 Gerry, the typical way to remove shocks is through the hole at the bottom of the lower control arm. I've never had a shock that would not fit through that hole. Unless somebody's added a shock larger than that hole, you should be able to pop the clip nuts off the bottom of the lower control arm, then it should fit. Glenn aka birdman Gerard Green wrote: > > I'm dismantling my front suspension for painting. The problem > is the shocks don't fit thru the holes in the lower control > arms, so I can't remove them. > > Anyone had this problem ?? > > Is there a safe way to dismantle everything without pulling > out the shocks and springs first. > > I should say that the subframe is off the car. > > Thanks > Gerry Green > '69 conv. >
(back) Subject: New Old Car From: "Glenn Uettwiller" <birdman@gdi.net> Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 01:14:43 -0400 Well, I finally have a car that I've kept my eye on for more than 15 years - a 69 LeMans convertible. On the plus side, it's a survivor. On the negative, it's a V8 car; not the long-lost Sprint/4-speed my Dad owned for a year back in 1981-2. However it is air conditioned making it a great candidate for a modified OHC6 with a 200-4R overdrive automatic. Plus, it's a white top/Parchment interior combo with Warwick Blue as the color, nice and light for sunny Florida. I'll need to find a top frame, as the left rear channel is cracked in half. Drum brakes have to go! Discs will be a top priority. I'll be looking for a few options for it, such as a power window setup and the indash tach and gauges. I believe I have a tilt column and power bucket seat track still kicking around here. I'm going to consider changing the interior to leather if I can find some hides dyed to something close to the Parchment. This car was a gift to me from my girlfriend, who I've told about this car. First time I saw this car was back in about 1985, when my exwife and I were shopping for some furniture. It was in the parking lot, and while finalizing the purchase, I said (like a typical gearhead) "who owns the LeMans convertible in the lot?" The lady we were dealing with said it was hers. Fast-forward to 1994 - I get divorced, and bump into the owner. We dated a couple times, took the car to Daytona Speedway for the Spring meet, and she gets to take a lap around on the track apron and a picture from the Speedway. A couple years later she sold it to a spoiled rich kid who trashed it some in the 4 years he's owned it. Nothing he added to it would be considered enhancements, at least by me. Sue and I feel like it's been rescued! I can hardly believe the damage and neglect this guy gave this lovely car in just 4 years. With a little TLC, she'll be fine again soon. Glenn aka birdman PS Maybe I should trade my 69 Firebird OHC6 coupe for a 69 Bonneville convertible to have a matched set.
(back) Subject: Re: '67 Coupe parts ca $300 on Ebay From: "Niklas Ridell" <vcc2.nridell@memo.volvo.se> Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 09:03:12 +0200 "Could be restored with very little money" Yeah, sure... a rust basket with tons of missing parts! /Niklas ----------------------- systech@tig.com.au wrote: > > '67 Coupe parts car in Milwaukee WI on Ebay. Now if only I lived in the = US > :-( ....has a buy now for $300 see > = http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D58883 > 3898 thought someone might be interested.....cheers, Dale '68 Conv in = Oz > > -----------------------------------------------------------------------
(back) Subject: Re : Re: '67 Coupe parts ca $300 on Ebay From: "Dale J. Barkla" <systech@tig.com.au> Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 20:21:39 +1000 I did say "parts car". If I could land it here in Oz for US$300 it would = be worth easy US$1-2K+ even though it's a Cancer patient....Any 1st gen in = almost ANY condition is worth good money here......cheers,Dale '68 Conv > "Could be restored with very little money" > Yeah, sure... > a rust basket with tons of missing parts! > /Niklas