First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List Stereo for 69 by "Brett Luikkonen" <brett@cisdirect.com> RE: RE Re: Ram Air intake with A/C? by "Trimpe, Bob" <TrimpeB@rajones.com> oil quality? by "Niklas Ridell" <vcc2.nridell@memo.volvo.se> Re: Will 1967 326 heads work on a 1977 400 ? by <codepnot@erols.com> Re: oil quality? by "Frank Zeller" <fzeller@tri-austin.com> Turn Signals by "Tom McLaughlin" <thomas.mclaughlin@wmich.edu> Turn signals too fast by "Jeff Davis" <jeff763@email.com> The oil light is on... by "Jeff Davis" <jeff763@email.com> RE: Glove Box Door Emblem by "Jeff Frey" <FREYJ@mascorp.com> Off topic: GM SUV A/C and fan problem by "Jeff Davis" <jeff763@email.com> RE: Glove Box Door Emblem by "Jeff Frey" <FREYJ@mascorp.com> Got the shifter but... by "Jeff Davis" <jeff763@email.com> RE: Turn signals too fast by "johnta1" <johnta1@worthlink.net> Trunk Details by "Daniel Dominick" <ddominick@austinc.edu> Re: Monroe swap meet by "Jeff Frey" <FREYJ@mascorp.com> RE: Will 1967 326 heads work on a 1977 400 ? by "johnta1" <johnta1@worthlink.net> Re: Will 1967 326 heads work on a 1977 400 ? by "Frank Zeller" <fzeller@tri-austin.com> Re: New Old Car by "John Clear" <jjclear@my-deja.com> Glenns new ride by "Gary Patrick" <Gary@tcworks.net> Re: The oil light is on... by "x1r1 x" <x1r1@hotmail.com> Re: Off topic: GM SUV A/C and fan problem by "x1r1 x" <x1r1@hotmail.com> Re: Glenns new ride by "x1r1 x" <x1r1@hotmail.com> Power Steering Adj. by "Charles Hazelton" <chuckhazelton@telocity.com>
(back) Subject: Stereo for 69 From: "Brett Luikkonen" <brett@cisdirect.com> Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 06:00:25 -0500 Has anyone got a line on a stereo, possibly one with CD changer controls, which will fit into the dash of a 69 without modifying the dash? I have found a couple of manufacturers that make it for 67-68 and 70-up but they skip the 69. I guess due to the uniqueness of the 69 dash. Thanks, Patrick Patrick, I got this info from a member of our local Firebird club and this = is the way I'm going to go! Check this system out... lots of = possibilities! Brett - 67 Drop Top 455! The best way to put a rockin' stereo in a classic car and retain a completely stock look is to install a Custom Autosound Secret Audio component system (http://www.custom-autosound.com) You can get the system with or without a CD changer. The main unit can be located nearly anywhere in the car. The controller can be either infrared (which requires a visible pickup) or radio frequency (which requires no visible elements).
(back) Subject: RE: RE Re: Ram Air intake with A/C? From: "Trimpe, Bob" <TrimpeB@rajones.com> Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 09:03:28 -0400 I've had several guys ask for some pics. I am sorry -- I've been too busy (lazy) to do it. I promise this week! Bob Trimpe -----Original Message----- From: Gary Patrick [mailto:Gary@tcworks.net] Bob I would love to see some more pics of Chucks car if you could email them. Is it Code K Meridian Turquoise? Original paint? I love that color combo. It is a refreshing change from the april gold /verdero green cars. As for the facts on the options you say he got, There was no gauges and hood tach package where you deleted choice of them. Each was a separate option and could be ordered on any engine combo. He is correct in that 68s couldnt get a/c with any 4 speed except the base = OHC-6. There was alot of discussion in past years on this list of this subject. Gary
(back) Subject: oil quality? From: "Niklas Ridell" <vcc2.nridell@memo.volvo.se> Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 15:29:44 +0200 This subject must have been discussed in the past but I can't find it in the archives, so here we go again. I'm about to break in a rebuilt engine and I want your opinion about what oil quality to use. Should I use a modern synthetic oil or the usual mineral oil? and what temp rating? ...10w40? ...straight 40? Thank you. /Niklas
(back) Subject: Re: Will 1967 326 heads work on a 1977 400 ? From: <codepnot@erols.com> Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 11:01:57 -0400 How about 400 heads on a 326 HO??? Robert
(back) Subject: Re: oil quality? From: "Frank Zeller" <fzeller@tri-austin.com> Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 10:12:10 -0500 10w40 then switch to a 20W50 synthetic after 3000 miles if you want. = Synthetic oils find any weakness with motor oil sealing. You should be OK = on a fresh rebuild. >>> vcc2.nridell@memo.volvo.se 05/14/01 08:29AM >>> First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List .......................................................................... This subject must have been discussed in the past but I can't find it in the archives, so here we go again. I'm about to break in a rebuilt engine and I want your opinion about what oil quality to use. Should I use a modern synthetic oil or the usual mineral oil? and what temp rating? ...10w40? ...straight 40? Thank you. /Niklas
(back) Subject: Turn Signals From: "Tom McLaughlin" <thomas.mclaughlin@wmich.edu> Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 11:52:00 -0400 Hello List, I have a 1967 Firebird 400 Ragtop. I have inoperable turn signals, both left and right. The signal lights come on, but they fail to flash. I have checked all bulbs, and they appear fine. The hazard lights flash normally.. Could it be the turn signal flasher, and if it is, where the heck is it located? Thanks in advance, Tom McLaughlin
(back) Subject: Turn signals too fast From: "Jeff Davis" <jeff763@email.com> Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 12:36:24 -0400 (EDT) All turn signals are blinking too fast. I didn't do anything with the = front bulbs but in the rear, I removed each bulb and socket and replaced one = bulb that was loose between the glass and base. The same socket has loosened = two new bulbs and burned out a third one. That socket and two others keep blinking when the socket is removed from the tail light assembly. They blink dim but when grounded, they blink bright. The fourth one does not blink at all when the socket is removed from the tail light assembly but does when grounded/reinserted. There is a standard flasher in the car and = a replacement didn't remedy the fast blinking. So my questions are: Do you know an easy way to determine if this is a sign of a bad ground somewhere, is there a loose connection, or could one/some of the sockets be bad? Any other ideas? I would appreciate hearing your suggestions. Thanks, Jeff ----------------------------------------------- FREE! The World's Best Email Address @email.com Reserve your name now at http://www.email.com
(back) Subject: The oil light is on... From: "Jeff Davis" <jeff763@email.com> Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 12:39:41 -0400 (EDT) ....but the oil is at home. Yes, the idiot light burns all the time. I changed the oil and filled it to capacity since the dipstick is broken (can't get reading). If the sending unit wire is disconnected, the light turns off. Suppose the sending unit is bad? Please let me know what you think. Thanks, Jeff ----------------------------------------------- FREE! The World's Best Email Address @email.com Reserve your name now at http://www.email.com
(back) Subject: RE: Glove Box Door Emblem From: "Jeff Frey" <FREYJ@mascorp.com> Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 09:56:12 -0700 John, I could measure mine and fax or email you a sketch with the dimensions. = Let me know. - - Jeff >>Can anyone tell me the exact location of the glove box door emblem on a 1968? Thank you. John Moore 1968 Coupe CarID=3D127
(back) Subject: Off topic: GM SUV A/C and fan problem From: "Jeff Davis" <jeff763@email.com> Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 12:58:07 -0400 (EDT) Ok, here's the problem. The A/C compressor does not come on at all. I = was told that it may be because there is not enough freon in the system and a check valve (?) keeps it from coming on so as to not burn it out. True? Secondly, the fan switch does not work. The only way I can get the fan to come on is to put switch on high, disconnect the wiring from the evap. = box, then reconnect the wiring to the evap. box. If the switch is moved form high or the vent is turned off, it will not come back on unless the above procedure is repeated. I replaced the relay that (I guess) reduces the power going to the blower motor when switch is on low or medium but that didn't fix it. So now I wonder if the fan blower is not working because = the A/C is not working. That doesn't make much sense becasue you can't even = get heat or vent. My only other thought is that the fan switch itself is bad. = If it can't turn on the fan, maybe it can't turn on the A/C compressor. According to the wiring diagram in the Haynes manual, there is "A/C on input" that goes to the powertrain control module. There is cruise = control input to that, too, but the cruise control works. Maybe just the A/C = input is not good? What do you think? Please let me know if you have any ideas. I'd really hate to spend more money on this thing than I have to. Thanks, Jeff ----------------------------------------------- FREE! The World's Best Email Address @email.com Reserve your name now at http://www.email.com
(back) Subject: RE: Glove Box Door Emblem From: "Jeff Frey" <FREYJ@mascorp.com> Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 10:01:37 -0700 Sounds right. My '68 has it, with the custom interior. - - Jeff >>John it was kinda iffy for 68s to have this. It seemed to disappear later in year but yet some later cars with Custom trim option still had it. It was in the same location as 67s. I can do a rub off and fax it if you want a template for drilling. Gary
(back) Subject: Got the shifter but... From: "Jeff Davis" <jeff763@email.com> Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 13:05:17 -0400 (EDT) ....there's a small problem. Can y'all tell I've been working on car and truck? Deck, too. Anyway, I got a "T" shifter from eBay at a good price and put it in this morning. The difference between it and the one that I had is there is no way to mount the electrial connectors that control the back-up lights and neutral safety switch. Hence the good price, you may think. Me, too. I can see what the difference is between the two but the electrical connector's mounting bracket is tacked to the shifter mounting plate so I can't remove it from the one that was in there. Could it be = that this replacement shifter is not from a '68 or was there a different electrical connector that's SUPPOSED to be on there? Please let me know what you think. The old shifter would allow the engine to crank in any gear so I'm not worried about that as much as I am the = fact that now there are no back-up lights. Thanks, Jeff ----------------------------------------------- FREE! The World's Best Email Address @email.com Reserve your name now at http://www.email.com
(back) Subject: RE: Turn signals too fast From: "johnta1" <johnta1@worthlink.net> Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 12:24:17 -0500 Sounds like you have a heavy duty flasher in there. Put a regular duty flasher in and it should be alright.Heavy duty flasher doesn't mean it's built better,made for extra bulbs like when pulling a trailer. John Wallace Wallace Racing Pontiac Power RULES !!! http://www.wallaceracing.com > Subject: Turn signals too fast > All turn signals are blinking too fast. I didn't do anything > with the front > bulbs but in the rear, I removed each bulb and socket and > replaced one bulb > that was loose between the glass and base. The same socket has > loosened two > new bulbs and burned out a third one. That socket and two others keep > blinking when the socket is removed from the tail light assembly. They > blink dim but when grounded, they blink bright. The fourth one does not > blink at all when the socket is removed from the tail light assembly but > does when grounded/reinserted. There is a standard flasher in > the car and a > replacement didn't remedy the fast blinking. So my questions are: Do = you > know an easy way to determine if this is a sign of a bad ground = somewhere, > is there a loose connection, or could one/some of the sockets be bad? = Any > other ideas? > > I would appreciate hearing your suggestions. > > Thanks, > Jeff ---------------------------------------------------------------------
(back) Subject: Trunk Details From: "Daniel Dominick" <ddominick@austinc.edu> Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 12:48:37 -0500 Hey All, I'm finally getting to work on the restoration again (68 Sprint) and have = a few questions maybe someone out there can answer. 1) Can anyone with original paint tell me what color the lower truck = latch is--body color or blacked out? If body color (which I think is correct), where does the spatter paint start? Was the spatter paint done BEFORE or after the fuel filler neck was installed (and therefore there's no spatter on the metal filler neck guard)? How about before or after the tail = lights and wiring? Did they black out then spatter paint? And if so, is the black out the entire trunk--how far up? 2) I have the original space saver tire. But it doesn't fold down all = the way like it is supposed to. Has anyone had this problem or have a guess = at how to get it to fold correctly (I have tried filling with air and recollapsing--went to a tire dealer and they couldn't get it right = either)? Thanks for the help! Dan Dominick 68 Sprint Convertible
(back) Subject: Re: Monroe swap meet From: "Jeff Frey" <FREYJ@mascorp.com> Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 11:02:42 -0700 Chris, I am hoping to go Sat morning. No specific time yet maybe 10 or 11. There's a guy from Canada, who has offered me a WS6 steering box, who = might be coming down. So I have to see if he is going to show so I can make connections. If it ever stops raining, I ride a 96ci shovelhead hot rod (from a '79 s-glide). Guy I bought it from claims a 10.2 quarter at SIR. I haven't = run it yet. - - Jeff >> What time are you going to be there ? Sat or Sun ? Ride >>??? What are you riding ??? >>Chris >>`68 350 H.O. Drop-top >>`96 FXSTSB ( hence the e-mail address )
(back) Subject: RE: Will 1967 326 heads work on a 1977 400 ? From: "johnta1" <johnta1@worthlink.net> Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 13:57:27 -0500 They will physically bolt on,but the valves will probably be too big for = the bore and hit the block.Also the valve angle was different for '67 326 so = the piston valve reliefs won't match. John Wallace Wallace Racing Pontiac Power RULES !!! http://www.wallaceracing.com > Subject: Re: Will 1967 326 heads work on a 1977 400 ? > = ......................................................................... > How about 400 heads on a 326 HO??? > Robert
(back) Subject: Re: Will 1967 326 heads work on a 1977 400 ? From: "Frank Zeller" <fzeller@tri-austin.com> Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 14:15:49 -0500 Yes they will bolt on, but you should figure out what the combustion = chamber cc are so you can calculate the compression ratio for your bore = stroke combination. >>> codepnot@erols.com 05/15/01 10:01AM >>> First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List .......................................................................... How about 400 heads on a 326 HO??? Robert
(back) Subject: Re: New Old Car From: "John Clear" <jjclear@my-deja.com> Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 12:42:24 -0700 Glenn Congrats on the new project and the "Cool Girlfriend". She must be pretty = special, gettin' you a present like that. I hope you'll still be hanging = out with us bird lovers. Maybe you'll be gettin a house soon and that GMC = will be for sale..... I've been wantin' to build one with a fuel injected 455(Olds), Chrome = wheels, Black with flames. Now wouldn't that be a cool way to go to the = car shows!!! J. Subject: New Old Car From: "Glenn Uettwiller" <birdman@gdi.net> Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 01:14:43 -0400 Well, I finally have a car that I've kept my eye on for more than 15 years - a 69 LeMans convertible. On the plus side, it's a survivor. On the negative, it's a V8 car; not the long-lost Sprint/4-speed my Dad owned for a year back in 1981-2. However it is air conditioned making it a great candidate for a modified OHC6 with a 200-4R overdrive automatic. Plus, it's a white top/Parchment interior combo with Warwick Blue as the color, nice and light for sunny Florida. I'll need to find a top frame, as the left rear channel is cracked in half. Drum brakes have to go! Discs will be a top priority. I'll be looking for a few options for it, such as a power window setup and the indash tach and gauges. I believe I have a tilt column and power bucket seat track still kicking around here. I'm going to consider changing the interior to leather if I can find some hides dyed to something close to the Parchment. This car was a gift to me from my girlfriend, who I've told about this car. First time I saw this car was back in about 1985, when my exwife and I were shopping for some furniture. It was in the parking lot, and while finalizing the purchase, I said (like a typical gearhead) "who owns the LeMans convertible in the lot?" The lady we were dealing with said it was hers. Fast-forward to 1994 - I get divorced, and bump into the owner. We dated a couple times, took the car to Daytona Speedway for the Spring meet, and she gets to take a lap around on the track apron and a picture from the Speedway. A couple years later she sold it to a spoiled rich kid who trashed it some in the 4 years he's owned it. Nothing he added to it would be considered enhancements, at least by me. Sue and I feel like it's been rescued! I can hardly believe the damage and neglect this guy gave this lovely car in just 4 years. With a little TLC, she'll be fine again soon. Glenn aka birdman PS Maybe I should trade my 69 Firebird OHC6 coupe for a 69 Bonneville convertible to have a matched set. ------------------------------------------------------------ --=3D=3D Sent via Deja.com =3D=3D-- http://www.deja.com/
(back) Subject: Glenns new ride From: "Gary Patrick" <Gary@tcworks.net> Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 16:04:37 -0400 PS Maybe I should trade my 69 Firebird OHC6 coupe for a 69 Bonneville convertible to have a matched set. Naw Glenn a OHC-6 wouldnt look right in a B body. PMD did consider putting a larger OHC-6 in the Catalina as a base motor. Gary
(back) Subject: Re: The oil light is on... From: "x1r1 x" <x1r1@hotmail.com> Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 14:06:58 -0700 it happens, if the sender is leaking bad, it is even likely. Replacement should be cheap and easy, but a guage is better. Rowan >From: Jeff Davis <jeff763@email.com> >...but the oil is at home. Yes, the idiot light burns all the time. I >changed the oil and filled it to capacity since the dipstick is broken >(can't get reading). If the sending unit wire is disconnected, the light >turns off. Suppose the sending unit is bad? > >Please let me know what you think. > >Thanks, >Jeff > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
(back) Subject: Re: Off topic: GM SUV A/C and fan problem From: "x1r1 x" <x1r1@hotmail.com> Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 14:17:05 -0700 Year make and model? >check valve (?) keeps it from coming on so as to not burn it out. True? it is a thermal overload shutdown switch, or sometimes pressure sensor. You could bypass the wiring to the compressor to verify that its clutch is = operable. visit this site: http://www.acpartsonline.com/technical.html they are on = top of it. if you have a system that sets a speific temp, a bad sensor/wire could = cause the system not to think it needs to come on, and should set a BCM code. If it is a GM vehicle, not one of the Honda lookalikes, I may be able to offer useful advice, feel free to Email me off the list Rowan >From: Jeff Davis <jeff763@email.com> >Ok, here's the problem. The A/C compressor does not come on at all. I = was >told that it may be because there is not enough freon in the system and a >check valve (?) keeps it from coming on so as to not burn it out. True? >Secondly, the fan switch does not work. The only way I can get the fan = to >come on is to put switch on high, disconnect the wiring from the evap. = box, >then reconnect the wiring to the evap. box. If the switch is moved form >high or the vent is turned off, it will not come back on unless the above >procedure is repeated. I replaced the relay that (I guess) reduces the >power going to the blower motor when switch is on low or medium but that >didn't fix it. So now I wonder if the fan blower is not working because >the >A/C is not working. That doesn't make much sense becasue you can't even >get >heat or vent. My only other thought is that the fan switch itself is = bad. >If it can't turn on the fan, maybe it can't turn on the A/C compressor. >According to the wiring diagram in the Haynes manual, there is "A/C on >input" that goes to the powertrain control module. There is cruise = control >input to that, too, but the cruise control works. Maybe just the A/C = input >is not good? What do you think? > >Please let me know if you have any ideas. I'd really hate to spend more >money on this thing than I have to. > >Thanks, >Jeff > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
(back) Subject: Re: Glenns new ride From: "x1r1 x" <x1r1@hotmail.com> Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 14:21:43 -0700 Seems to me that with the sprint6 being a rare item, The Jeep 4.0HO with auto 4 speed is a good 6motor and readily available. Power on those is similar to a sprint, and they sound pretty good too. Rowan *normaly despises late Mopar* >From: Gary Patrick <Gary@tcworks.net> >PS Maybe I should trade my 69 Firebird OHC6 coupe for a 69 Bonneville >convertible to have a matched set. > > Naw Glenn a OHC-6 wouldnt look right in a B body. >PMD did consider putting a larger OHC-6 in the Catalina as a base motor. >Gary _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
(back) Subject: Power Steering Adj. From: "Charles Hazelton" <chuckhazelton@telocity.com> Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 16:17:14 -0700 Thanks to all who posted info & advice on the subject of power steering = box replacement. Altho I wasn't the one who asked originally, I benefitted = from the sharing of knowledge & experience. Installed a 77 TA box. Our baby steers like a laser guided missle instead of a battleship equipped with guided misssles. Thanks for the help. Chuck Hazelton 68 350 conv (even more fun to drive now!!) P.S. Hugo - if you read this, sorry we missed you at the end of the Power Tour. Found your car (white 69 conv?) and hung around for a while. I had = to leave but Charlie came back with his 68 & parked next to you for an hour = or so. Guess you were enjoying the exciting attractions of beautiful, = downtown San Bernardino ;o\ Hope you had a truly memorable cruise across America. Chuck