First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List RE: New Old Car by "Brady Esch" <besch@cardeon.com> Breakin oil by "Gary Patrick" <Gary@tcworks.net> RE: Will 1967 326 heads work on a 1977 400 ? by "Gary Patrick" <Gary@tcworks.net> Re: Power Steering Adj. by "Hugo Tafel" <hugoptour@yahoo.com> Re: Glenns new ride by "Gary Patrick" <Gary@tcworks.net> re Power Steering Adj. by "Gary Patrick" <Gary@tcworks.net> Re: 69 HEI Hookup Revisited by "Joe Brown" <jb.pb@gte.net> RE Power Steering Adj. by "Gary Patrick" <Gary@tcworks.net> 400 for 1(one) dollar on ebay?? by <Studderin@aol.com> miss-matched heads on Ebay $10 by <Studderin@aol.com> Re: Turn Signals by "James" <badbird@attglobal.net> Re: Breakin oil by <Studderin@aol.com> hugo's trip by <Studderin@aol.com> Swap meet... by "Chris Porter" <fxstsb@qwest.net> RE: Will 1967 326 heads work on a 1977 400 ? by "johnta1" <johnta1@worthlink.net> Re: Glenns new ride by "x1r1 x" <x1r1@hotmail.com> modified cars by "Niklas Ridell" <vcc2.nridell@memo.volvo.se> Re: New Old Car by "Glenn Uettwiller" <birdman@gdi.net> Re: Can now remove shocks by "Gerard Green" <gerryg@advelo.com.au>
(back) Subject: RE: New Old Car From: "Brady Esch" <besch@cardeon.com> Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 16:31:51 -0700 Glenn, You may recall several posts of mine about six months ago about my own cracked top frame. I still have not addressed this problem (I drive it = only on sunny days, and there are lots here), but in scanning through the = Fisher body manual I found that it is very important to align the mechanism carefully. Specifically, one of the primary pivot points (both sides) is supposed to be loose when first raising a new top in order "to prevent damage". There is a detailed procedure for the alignment in the manual. I have a theory that my top was worked on, maybe just by replacing the canvas, and that the mechanism alignment was affected. When the top was raised it caused that right rear side rail to bend and ultimately crack. = I plan on welding this part, probably reinforcing it as well to make up for = a change in temper. My autobody instructor had tried this in the past and says it will not work and it will re-bend in the same place. I suspect = that his experience was due to a top frame that was "repaired" but not aligned. The part I am guessing to be a real challenge will be to straighten the = bent part so that all pivot points are in-plane. I do not plan to get to this = in the near future. Brady Esch 1968 400 Conv.
(back) Subject: Breakin oil From: "Gary Patrick" <Gary@tcworks.net> Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 21:03:47 -0400 Subject: oil quality? From: "Niklas Ridell" <vcc2.nridell@memo.volvo.se> Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 15:29:44 +0200 This subject must have been discussed in the past but I can't find it in the archives, so here we go again. I'm about to break in a rebuilt engine and I want your opinion about what oil quality to use. Should I use a modern synthetic oil or the usual mineral oil? and what temp rating? ...10w40? ...straight 40? Thank you. /Niklas Niklas, thats kinda a personal preference thing but heres from the old = school. No synthetics on breakin. Use 20 weight to breakin cycle up and down on speed lightly from 30 to 50 coasting and light acceleration. Do not do full throttle pulls. Change oil and filter after cam breakin( first 30 -45 minutes at high idle = no load) use engine oil supplement( crane or GM) change oil and filter after 500 easy miles change oil and filter after 1000 miles after 2000 miles change from petroleum to synthetic. Synthetic will not seat the rings properly. Gary From the old school
(back) Subject: RE: Will 1967 326 heads work on a 1977 400 ? From: "Gary Patrick" <Gary@tcworks.net> Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 21:10:04 -0400 Subject: RE: Will 1967 326 heads work on a 1977 400 ? From: "johnta1" <johnta1@worthlink.net> Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 13:57:27 -0500 They will physically bolt on,but the valves will probably be too big for = the bore and hit the block.Also the valve angle was different for '67 326 so = the piston valve reliefs won't match. WHOA you got that backwards 326 has smaller valves. But I would have to ask WHY on the head swap? Gary
(back) Subject: Re: Power Steering Adj. From: "Hugo Tafel" <hugoptour@yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 18:15:40 -0700 (PDT) Hi Chuck! Sorry I missed you guys. I did see a couple of red convertibles there. One was cruising by and the other one was parked. this was almost when we were getting ready to leave. We had just spent a few hours at the awards festivities so I was tired and ready to go. I just uploaded some more pictures to http://www.apcom.com/fbody/ptour2001 Hopefully in the next few days I'll have time to thumbnail everything and put some captions in. The trip was great! BTW, I won a set of Hotchkis anti-sway bars which they will be shipping out to me (it wasn't the 66 cheby but it was better than nothing). Hugo --- Charles Hazelton <chuckhazelton@telocity.com> wrote: > First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List > .......................................................................... > > P.S. Hugo - if you read this, sorry we missed you > at the end of the Power > Tour. Found your car (white 69 conv?) and hung > around for a while. I had to > leave but Charlie came back with his 68 & parked > next to you for an hour or > so. Guess you were enjoying the exciting attractions > of beautiful, downtown > San Bernardino ;o\ Hope you had a truly memorable > cruise across America. > Chuck > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/
(back) Subject: Re: Glenns new ride From: "Gary Patrick" <Gary@tcworks.net> Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 21:20:23 -0400 Subject: Re: Glenns new ride From: "x1r1 x" <x1r1@hotmail.com> Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 14:21:43 -0700 Seems to me that with the sprint6 being a rare item, The Jeep 4.0HO with auto 4 speed is a good 6motor and readily available. Power on those is similar to a sprint, and they sound pretty good too. Rowan *normaly despises late Mopar* Rowan, rare to one guy isnt the same to another. Glenn and I have been on a quest to own more useless junk than anyone else. Neither one of us has ever thrown away anything( car part) that may have the glimmer of hope as to a use someday. We have amassed at least 30 OHC-6s between us most of which are Sprints. So we dont look at it in the same way as others in performing a motor transplant. My dream is to get about 20 GTOs and yank the non matching numbers V-8s out and put in OHC-6s. Thats just a small payback for all the perfectly good Sprints that got hacked up for GTO parts cars. Gary
(back) Subject: re Power Steering Adj. From: "Gary Patrick" <Gary@tcworks.net> Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 21:22:49 -0400 Found your car (white 69 conv?) and hung around for a while. I had to leave but Charlie came back with his 68 & parked next to you for an hour = or so. So Charlie what did the cars talk about?
(back) Subject: Re: 69 HEI Hookup Revisited From: "Joe Brown" <jb.pb@gte.net> Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 21:29:35 -0400 Frank : That is good to know , I will be playing with my distributor soon and will check it out , it would be nice to have it hooked up that way . Joe
(back) Subject: RE Power Steering Adj. From: "Gary Patrick" <Gary@tcworks.net> Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 21:26:27 -0400 Altho I wasn't the one who asked originally, I benefitted from the sharing of knowledge & experience. Installed a 77 TA box. Our baby steers like a laser guided missle instead of a battleship equipped with guided misssles. Thanks for the help ..Chuck Hazelton 68 350 conv (even more fun to drive now!!) Chuck Hang out with a bunch of old HOT RODDERS and pretty soon youll be acting like one. Cheers Gary
(back) Subject: 400 for 1(one) dollar on ebay?? From: <Studderin@aol.com> Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 23:11:27 EDT http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D589145221 columbus ohio Thats right 1 dollar ??? HUMMM someone in ohio get it
(back) Subject: miss-matched heads on Ebay $10 From: <Studderin@aol.com> Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 23:14:57 EDT If you read the description it sounds like one's a #16 and the other's a = #62. Odd, but the price is right... http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D588715225 copied from the (poncho) list john costello
(back) Subject: Re: Turn Signals From: "James" <badbird@attglobal.net> Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 23:18:36 -0400 68 flashers are located underdash in the ashtray area. Odds are 67's are the same. James Tom McLaughlin wrote: > First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List > = ......................................................................... > Hello List, > > I have a 1967 Firebird 400 Ragtop. I have inoperable turn signals, both > left and right. The signal lights come on, but they fail to flash. I > have checked all bulbs, and they appear fine. The hazard lights flash > normally.. Could it be the turn signal flasher, and if it is, where the > heck is it located? > > Thanks in advance, > > Tom McLaughlin
(back) Subject: Re: Breakin oil From: <Studderin@aol.com> Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 23:54:14 EDT Gary is right Change oil and filter after cam breakin( first 30 -45 minutes at high idle = no load) use engine oil supplement( crane or GM) change oil and filter after 500 easy miles change oil and filter after 1000 miles after 2000 miles change from petroleum to synthetic. Synthetic will not seat the rings properly. Gary From the old school Idle for cam brak in is around 1500 -2000 RPM'S after that it a good idea to retouqe the head bolts to 95lbs and the header bolts
(back) Subject: hugo's trip From: <Studderin@aol.com> Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 00:16:43 EDT In a message dated 5/14/2001 10:58:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time, hugoptour@yahoo.com writes: << http://www.apcom.com/fbody/ptour2001 >> Hugo I love the pics and the ca1 -ca6 pics MMMMMM......... hooters 8-) think you could snap one of the new 455? are you coming to western N.Y.? John Costello
(back) Subject: Swap meet... From: "Chris Porter" <fxstsb@qwest.net> Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 21:28:04 -0700 >96ci shovelhead Thats a lot of cubes for a shovel bottom end. I'll be at the meet a good portion of Saturday, hopefully we'll hook up. Need to take you up on the beverages ;-). Chris `68 350 H.O. Drop-top
(back) Subject: RE: Will 1967 326 heads work on a 1977 400 ? From: "johnta1" <johnta1@worthlink.net> Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 00:18:26 -0500 Yea, I mis read it.Thinking 400 head on 326. Sorry. But there would still be a valve angle difference between the head and 400 piston. It would also be small valve and small ports. John Wallace Wallace Racing Pontiac Power RULES !!! http://www.wallaceracing.com
(back) Subject: Re: Glenns new ride From: "x1r1 x" <x1r1@hotmail.com> Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 22:11:40 -0700 Aha! Now I know why that stuff seems rare. Would either of you happen to have a good sprint 4 you would want to part with...My friend's 63 tempest ragtop is a bit tired (and currently recovering from an incident with a rogue recycling truck) I guess he has the 'sprint' stuff on the car, at least a 4bbl carb and intake anyway. = I'm not sure about head or cam. Rowan >From: Gary Patrick <Gary@tcworks.net> > >Subject: Re: Glenns new ride >From: "x1r1 x" <x1r1@hotmail.com> >Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 14:21:43 -0700 > >Seems to me that with the sprint6 being a rare item, The Jeep 4.0HO with >auto 4 speed is a good 6motor and readily available. Power on those is >similar to a sprint, and they sound pretty good too. >Rowan *normaly despises late Mopar* > > >Rowan, rare to one guy isnt the same to another. >Glenn and I have been on a quest to own more >useless junk than anyone else. Neither one of us >has ever thrown away anything( car part) that may >have the glimmer of hope as to a use someday. >We have amassed at least 30 OHC-6s between us >most of which are Sprints. So we dont look at it in the same >way as others in performing a motor transplant. >My dream is to get about 20 GTOs and yank the >non matching numbers V-8s out and put in OHC-6s. >Thats just a small payback for all the perfectly good Sprints >that got hacked up for GTO parts cars. >Gary _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
(back) Subject: modified cars From: "Niklas Ridell" <vcc2.nridell@memo.volvo.se> Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 13:29:32 +0200 Guys, Theres a company called "Detroit Speed & Engineering" that has a really good page on the net. They show pics step by step how they improve handling of first Gen. cars by customizing sub frames and building tubs. Check out: http://www.detroitspeed.com/ Under "projects" and "Twister Camaro" you will find the photos. /Niklas
(back) Subject: Re: New Old Car From: "Glenn Uettwiller" <birdman@gdi.net> Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 07:37:27 -0400 Thanks for the kind words, John. Yeah, she's quite special! The reason she got me the LeMans? She says I'm hard to buy for, gift-wise, and that buying a wedding gift for your future spouse is a tradition. We're not even engaged, but she figured "why wait for little details?" I guess the couple of weddings we've recently been to have got her thinkin'. On the GMC Motorhome subject, I would LOVE to see more collector car enthusiasts get into these amazing vehicles. They are truly the "Sports Car of Motorhomes". I drive brand new class A coaches almost every day, and none drive as well as an old GMC, even a ratty one. I remember at the POCI in Springfield a red '68 Sprint Firebird convertible coming in on a trailer behing a 1976 GMC Palm Beach Motorhome. Turns out to be a guy who owns a Pontiac dealer in Michigan, and I've had his GMC in my boss's shop here in Orlando for repairs. Glenn aka birdman Clear wrote: > > First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List > = ......................................................................... > Glenn > Congrats on the new project and the "Cool Girlfriend". She must be = pretty special, gettin' you a present like that. I hope you'll still be = hanging out with us bird lovers. Maybe you'll be gettin a house soon and = that GMC will be for sale..... > I've been wantin' to build one with a fuel injected 455(Olds), Chrome = wheels, Black with flames. Now wouldn't that be a cool way to go to the = car shows!!! > > J.
(back) Subject: Re: Can now remove shocks From: "Gerard Green" <gerryg@advelo.com.au> Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 21:53:35 +1000 Hi listers, I got the shocks out using a little bit of brute force. Turns out that they are Monroe shocks but made in Aus. Perhaps to a slightly different spec. Anyway thanks to all who responded. Regards Gerry Green