First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List RE: Will 1967 326 heads work on a 1977 400 ? by "Frank Zeller" <fzeller@tri-austin.com> Re: Firebird-L Digest #1904 by <David_S_Smith@amat.com> Oil Quality by "Brett Luikkonen" <brett@cisdirect.com> Hot Rod Power Tour 2001 by "Jason Rogers" <jason.rogers@york.com> Hot Rod Power Tour by "Brett Luikkonen" <brett@cisdirect.com> RE: Will 1967 326 heads work on a 1977 400 ? by "johnta1" <johnta1@worthlink.net> Re: Hot Rod Power Tour 2001 by "Hugo Tafel" <hugoptour@yahoo.com> Re: Hot Rod Power Tour by "Hugo Tafel" <hugoptour@yahoo.com> Re: hugo's trip by "Hugo Tafel" <hugoptour@yahoo.com> Re: Hot Rod Power Tour by "Brian Sargent" <bjsbird1@yahoo.com> Re: re Power Steering Adj. by "Charles Hazelton" <chuckhazelton@telocity.com> Re: Turn Signals, flasher location by "Jeff Davis" <jeff763@email.com> Anyone Ordered from The Parts Place? by "Provost, Marty" <MProvost@LiquidGolf.com> RE: Power Steering Adj. by "Jeff Frey" <FREYJ@mascorp.com> Re: Hot Rod Power Tour by "Hugo Tafel" <hugoptour@yahoo.com> Re: Turn Signals, flasher location by "Frank Zeller" <fzeller@tri-austin.com> Re: Anyone Ordered from The Parts Place? by "Frank Zeller" <fzeller@tri-austin.com> Re: Turn Signals, flasher location by "Charles Hazelton" <chuckhazelton@telocity.com> backward idler arm & steering box #? by "x1r1 x" <x1r1@hotmail.com> Re: hugo's trip by <Studderin@aol.com> 1969 400-HO vs. RA III by <E21pilot@aol.com> RE: hugo's trip by "Mace" <macef@optonline.net> Re: 1969 400-HO vs. RA III by "Frank Zeller" <fzeller@tri-austin.com> Re: Anyone Ordered from The Parts Place? by <JGeigel@aol.com> Re: Hot Rod Power Tour by "Andrew & Kate Panek" <panek@inil.com> fixed odometer and dash lights by <T2AVLIS@aol.com>
(back) Subject: RE: Will 1967 326 heads work on a 1977 400 ? From: "Frank Zeller" <fzeller@tri-austin.com> Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 08:02:07 -0500 John, Great web site. I thought 1967 was the year Pontiac changed to the = 14-degree valve inclination angle that was used until 1980. I'm pretty = sure that the reliefs on the pistons induce turbulence to help keep the = air fuel mixture suspend and are not valve reliefs. Frank >>> johnta1@worthlink.net 05/15/01 12:18AM >>> First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List .......................................................................... Yea, I mis read it.Thinking 400 head on 326. Sorry. But there would still be a valve angle difference between the head and 400 piston. It would also be small valve and small ports. John Wallace Wallace Racing Pontiac Power RULES !!! http://www.wallaceracing.com
(back) Subject: Re: Firebird-L Digest #1904 From: <David_S_Smith@amat.com> Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 09:03:33 -0500 I will give my 2 cents with the usual warning that I normally don't know = what I am talking about. ; - ) Since the flashing varies with the grounding of the sockets, it sounds = like you have bad grounding of the plugs. I remember that I had to replace my rear sockets on another 68 Firebird and the tail lights did not work reliably = until I had soldered on an additional ground wire onto the tabs that hold in the = light bulbs. Fast Flashing Light: Whenever a bulb burns out, the other bulb on a = circuit flashes about twice as fast. I have seen it often because my step-mother = keeps smashing things so she never has all of the blinkers in her car. She = always has a fast flasher on one side of the car. BTW, if you are in Houston, TX = watch out for a red head lady in an Avalon who tailgates while talking on the phone. = She is dangerous. Frank Zeller, you know the one. Flashing When the Socket is Pulled Out: Sounds like the lead for the = flasher is connecting with the other lead going into the plug (maybe lights). When = the 2 positive lead connect, power to runs back into the flasher which causes = the flashers to energise. So those are my guesses, but it sounds like you got to replace some = sockets. Dave
(back) Subject: Turn signals too fast From: "Jeff Davis" <jeff763@email.com> Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 12:36:24 -0400 (EDT) All turn signals are blinking too fast. I didn't do anything with the = front bulbs but in the rear, I removed each bulb and socket and replaced one = bulb that was loose between the glass and base. The same socket has loosened = two new bulbs and burned out a third one. That socket and two others keep blinking when the socket is removed from the tail light assembly. They blink dim but when grounded, they blink bright. The fourth one does not blink at all when the socket is removed from the tail light assembly but does when grounded/reinserted. There is a standard flasher in the car and = a replacement didn't remedy the fast blinking. So my questions are: Do you know an easy way to determine if this is a sign of a bad ground somewhere, is there a loose connection, or could one/some of the sockets be bad? Any other ideas? I would appreciate hearing your suggestions. Thanks, Jeff ----------------------------------------------- FREE! The World's Best Email Address @email.com Reserve your name now at http://www.email.com
(back) Subject: Oil Quality From: "Brett Luikkonen" <brett@cisdirect.com> Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 07:21:57 -0500 Subject: oil quality? From: "Niklas Ridell" <vcc2.nridell@memo.volvo.se> Should I use a modern synthetic oil or the usual mineral oil? and what temp rating? ...10w40? ...straight 40? Thank you. Niklas Niklas, Use "regular" motor Oil for the break in period. I use Amzoil synthetic in ALL my vehicles as they are the best (since they have been around for about 50 years and all the others have just jumped on the band wagon in the last few years) But a good synthetic will prevent proper break in and seating where needed. So use it AFTER the break in period and you'll be set. And 10w40 is fine to start, but after when you switch to Synthetic drain just enough to be able to add 1 quart of synthetic to the regular oil & run it for a while, then drain, add 100% synthetic and a new filter. Run for a while and change the filter again after say 500 miles. But with Amziol, they recommend a 5w30 or even lighter as the protection is far superior, you can use a MUCH lighter weight quality synthetic oil and get better power & gas mileage since the engine and oil pump can push the oil easier with the lighter viscosity! AND with a quality synthetic you only have to change the oil every 15-25,000 or once a year! We have at least 4 vehicles in the family with well over 200K and not a problem at all... I'd say it works! Brett - 67 Ragtop, 455! (.02 poorer)
(back) Subject: Hot Rod Power Tour 2001 From: "Jason Rogers" <jason.rogers@york.com> Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 10:44:27 -0400 Hugo, I want to personally thank you. I feel like I am living a vicarious vacation through you. One of my dreams is to get my 67 Firebird 400 done, win at Hershey, then travel Rt. 66 to Cali. Then race with the West Coast Outlaws and drive back. I especially like the picture of the mynx in the lilac colored slinky dress. Wooohoo. Jason
(back) Subject: Hot Rod Power Tour From: "Brett Luikkonen" <brett@cisdirect.com> Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 07:50:37 -0500 The trip was great! BTW, I won a set of Hotchkis anti-sway bars which they will be shipping out to me (it wasn't the 66 cheby but it was better than nothing). Hugo Hugo... Thank you for the day by day update and allowing all of US, to enjoy the tour in our own little way through you! That was amazing! I'm tired for you! As fun and exciting as the whole thing was, I'm sure you were elated to hit California again! And to finally get back home! All in all, it had to be a blast! And sounds like the Bird brought you every mile of the way without much trouble! And a set of FREE Sway Bars to top it off, How sweet is that? I say it again... Hugo, you da man! Thanks - Brett 67 Ragtop, 455
(back) Subject: RE: Will 1967 326 heads work on a 1977 400 ? From: "johnta1" <johnta1@worthlink.net> Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 10:14:51 -0500 Yes,but it was mainly the 670 and 97 heads.The 326 and early 389 heads = were still old angles. John Wallace Wallace Racing Pontiac Power RULES !!! http://www.wallaceracing.com > Subject: RE: Will 1967 326 heads work on a 1977 400 ? > > > First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List > = ......................................................................... > John, > > Great web site. I thought 1967 was the year Pontiac changed to > the 14-degree valve inclination angle that was used until 1980. > I'm pretty sure that the reliefs on the pistons induce turbulence > to help keep the air fuel mixture suspend and are not valve reliefs. > > Frank
(back) Subject: Re: Hot Rod Power Tour 2001 From: "Hugo Tafel" <hugoptour@yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 08:52:48 -0700 (PDT) Glad I could share some of the tour with you guys. I figure it might inspire some to finish their projects and get their cars on the road and ejoy them. As far as the mynx, yes, nice ;-) I'll have to scan the autographed photo and share that as well. I probably won't wash that hood for a while as well :-) My dream would be to get a bunch of us in our first gens and go on the next power tour to show the people out there what great cars these are. Hugo --- Jason Rogers <jason.rogers@york.com> wrote: > First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List > .......................................................................... > Hugo, I want to personally thank you. I feel like I > am living a vicarious > vacation through you. One of my dreams is to get my > 67 Firebird 400 done, > win at Hershey, then travel Rt. 66 to Cali. Then > race with the West Coast > Outlaws and drive back. I especially like the > picture of the mynx in the > lilac colored slinky dress. Wooohoo. > > Jason __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/
(back) Subject: Re: Hot Rod Power Tour From: "Hugo Tafel" <hugoptour@yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 09:03:24 -0700 (PDT) Yup, glad to be home. Now for a nice long rest. The funny thing is that the car was virtually flawless all the way, that is till last night when I fired it up at the office and I smelled gas. Looked under the hood and the fuel pump is leaking! Not a problem during the trip and now she decides to mess up. I think she's trying to tell me something. Now to buy a new pump, change the oil and filter, tighten up the 101 nuts and bolts that I'm sure are loose by the jaring of the lovely midwest highways (ducking) and she'll be ready for another 5000+ mile trip. Things to add: Vintage Air air conditioning New anti sway bars Rack and pinion steering Air bags (or some kind of height control system) in the back Better stereo (I liked Jim's install) Glad to be home. Hugo --- Brett Luikkonen <brett@cisdirect.com> wrote: > First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List > .......................................................................... > The trip was great! > BTW, I won a set of Hotchkis anti-sway bars which > they > will be shipping out to me (it wasn't the 66 cheby > but > it was better than nothing). > Hugo > > Hugo... Thank you for the day by day update and > allowing > all of US, to enjoy the tour in our own little way > through > you! That was amazing! I'm tired for you! > > As fun and exciting as the whole thing was, I'm sure > you > were elated to hit California again! And to finally > get back > home! All in all, it had to be a blast! And sounds > like the > Bird brought you every mile of the way without much > trouble! > > And a set of FREE Sway Bars to top it off, How sweet > is that? > > I say it again... Hugo, you da man! > > Thanks - Brett 67 Ragtop, 455 > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/
(back) Subject: Re: hugo's trip From: "Hugo Tafel" <hugoptour@yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 09:07:27 -0700 (PDT) I'll take some pictures of the engine compartment and post them. As far as NY, not this time around. Got as far as MI and then we headed south west. There were a few cars from NY on the tour though. Hugo --- Studderin@aol.com wrote: > First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List > .......................................................................... > In a message dated 5/14/2001 10:58:53 PM Eastern > Daylight Time, > hugoptour@yahoo.com writes: > > << http://www.apcom.com/fbody/ptour2001 >> > Hugo > I love the pics and the ca1 -ca6 pics > MMMMMM......... hooters 8-) > think you could snap one of the new 455? > are you coming to western N.Y.? > > John Costello __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/
(back) Subject: Re: Hot Rod Power Tour From: "Brian Sargent" <bjsbird1@yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 09:39:22 -0700 (PDT) Hugo I agree! Thank you for keeping us updated on the trip. It looked like it was great fun albeit the patrol car could have ruined it. Is it just me or does it appear that you had the top up a lot of time? Thanks again, looking forward to getting your explamation on the pictures. Brian 69 conv. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/
(back) Subject: Re: re Power Steering Adj. From: "Charles Hazelton" <chuckhazelton@telocity.com> Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 09:47:18 -0700 Mostly about 'back seat memories' ;o}. This was my high school car back in '79. Charlie Hazelton 68 350 conv ----- Original Message ----- Subject: re Power Steering Adj. > First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List > = ......................................................................... > Found your car (white 69 conv?) and hung around for a while. I had to > leave but Charlie came back with his 68 & parked next to you for an hour or > so. > > > So Charlie what did the cars talk about?
(back) Subject: Re: Turn Signals, flasher location From: "Jeff Davis" <jeff763@email.com> Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 12:55:16 -0400 (EDT) The only flasher I've seen in my '68 is attached to the fuse box located near the left kick panel. Since a replacement flasher there did not fix = my too fast turn signals, I'll look behind the ashtray for a second flasher. = I thought cars were equipped with only one. Thanks for the info....maybe that will be the problem. ----------------------------------------------- FREE! The World's Best Email Address @email.com Reserve your name now at http://www.email.com
(back) Subject: Anyone Ordered from The Parts Place? From: "Provost, Marty" <MProvost@LiquidGolf.com> Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 14:22:27 -0400 Hello All! Anyone ordered from The Parts Place - http://www.thepartsplaceinc.com ? They have complete HT repro quarter panels for $429 ea. I am in desperate need of full quarters as both of mine are rusted through right at the seem where skins were pop riveted on some time in the distant past. They have been the only company I have found that sells complete panels. As always - thanks a lot! -Marty 67 455 Coupe
(back) Subject: RE: Power Steering Adj. From: "Jeff Frey" <FREYJ@mascorp.com> Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 11:34:52 -0700 I was the one who asked, and every morning on the way to work I dream of = the new TA steering. Hopefully I can get my laser guided hot rod parts this weekend. I am still impressed with every ride at the performance of my "1bbl Sprint". All I need now is the race car steering and I can get that true 1968 Sports Car feel....... p-glide, drum brakes, and all. - - Jeff >Thanks to all who posted info & advice on the subject of power steering = box >replacement. Altho I wasn't the one who asked originally, I benefitted = from >the sharing of knowledge & experience. Installed a 77 TA box. Our baby >steers like a laser guided missle instead of a battleship equipped with >guided misssles. Thanks for the help. Chuck
(back) Subject: Re: Hot Rod Power Tour From: "Hugo Tafel" <hugoptour@yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 11:52:25 -0700 (PDT) Well, we had the top up a good part of the time. In the morning when we'd leave it was chilly so we'd leave it up and then we'd put it down after the first or second stop. We did have some rain so that dictated that the top be up. In the desert it was just too darn hot to keep it down so we opted to have the windows open and the top up. We did drive from Barstow to SB with it down to enjoy the last leg. As far as the cop, he was just there to help out with the traffic so no tickets for me (even though I did have some fun with some corvettes and 4th gen fbods). Hugo --- Brian Sargent <bjsbird1@yahoo.com> wrote: > First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List > .......................................................................... > Hugo > I agree! Thank you for keeping us updated on > the > trip. It looked like it was great fun albeit the > patrol car could have ruined it. Is it just me or > does > it appear that you had the top up a lot of time? > Thanks again, looking forward to getting your > explamation on the pictures. > Brian > 69 conv. > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/
(back) Subject: Re: Turn Signals, flasher location From: "Frank Zeller" <fzeller@tri-austin.com> Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 14:01:40 -0500 The other flasher is attached to a connector on a wire. There is a spring = type bracket that holds it. Look on the driver side around were your = under dash interior light is. >>> jeff763@email.com 05/15/01 11:55AM >>> First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List .......................................................................... The only flasher I've seen in my '68 is attached to the fuse box located near the left kick panel. Since a replacement flasher there did not fix = my too fast turn signals, I'll look behind the ashtray for a second flasher. = I thought cars were equipped with only one. Thanks for the info....maybe that will be the problem. -
(back) Subject: Re: Anyone Ordered from The Parts Place? From: "Frank Zeller" <fzeller@tri-austin.com> Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 14:10:44 -0500 Good Mark www.goodmarkindustries.com .. Hello All! Anyone ordered from The Parts Place - http://www.thepartsplaceinc.com ? They have complete HT repro quarter panels for $429 ea. I am in desperate need of full quarters as both of mine are rusted through right at the seem where skins were pop riveted on some time in the distant past. They have been the only company I have found that sells complete panels. As always - thanks a lot! -Marty 67 455 Coupe
(back) Subject: Re: Turn Signals, flasher location From: "Charles Hazelton" <chuckhazelton@telocity.com> Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 13:05:09 -0700 The one on the fuse box is the emergency flasher. The turn signal flasher = is up under the dash between the heater controls and the ignition switch = area. Chuck Hazelton ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Davis" <jeff763@email.com> To: "First Generation Firebird-L" <Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 9:55 AM Subject: Re: Turn Signals, flasher location > First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List > = ......................................................................... > The only flasher I've seen in my '68 is attached to the fuse box located > near the left kick panel. Since a replacement flasher there did not fix my > too fast turn signals, I'll look behind the ashtray for a second = flasher. I > thought cars were equipped with only one. > > Thanks for the info....maybe that will be the problem.
(back) Subject: backward idler arm & steering box #? From: "x1r1 x" <x1r1@hotmail.com> Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 13:55:41 -0700 My steering box is #3691676, anybody now what it is? Also jound yesterday, some dork had put the idler arm on backwards. I did = it too when I installed the replacement, but I looked in Steves manual = which clearly shows the dogleg in the idler pointing toward the center of the = car. I guess that explains why I had to buy 3 idler arms before getting one that fit. They had bent the frame a bit around the lower idler arm bolt ; = ( I hope I didn't undo some 'handling upgrade'...Anyone else had this? Rowan _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
(back) Subject: Re: hugo's trip From: <Studderin@aol.com> Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 19:13:42 EDT .......................................................................... I'll take some pictures of the engine compartment and post them. As far as NY, not this time around. Got as far as MI and then we headed south west. There were a few cars from NY on the tour though. Hugo Cool thanks Hugo your the best. John Costello
(back) Subject: 1969 400-HO vs. RA III From: <E21pilot@aol.com> Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 19:14:02 EDT For the 1969 model year, what is the difference between the 400 HO and the = RA III? Is it just the cam or are the heads, intake and exhaust manifolds = different as well? What about the carb? Thanks, Rich W.
(back) Subject: RE: hugo's trip From: "Mace" <macef@optonline.net> Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 20:33:55 -0400 Hugo, Thank you for the great tour. I am hoping to do the tour next year. Just finished ironing out the bug in the 69 Convertable. I just bought the Edelbrock Fuel injection for by bird and am going to put iti on in the = fall. Hopefully this will make the car a NON gas eater. I especially like the California jpeg3. Who is the hottie and where is the rest of her.....Once again Thank you for the pics...I came home everyday anxiously awaiting the updates....By the way...Great Ride!!!!!!! Mace 69 355 Drop Top
(back) Subject: Re: 1969 400-HO vs. RA III From: "Frank Zeller" <fzeller@tri-austin.com> Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 20:10:10 -0500 >From what I can tell, fresh air and exhaust manifolds. The RA3 automatics = used the same 067 cam as the Standard 400. The RA3 heads were equipped = with better valve springs and better exhaust valves. >>> E21pilot@aol.com 05/15/01 06:14PM >>> First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List .......................................................................... For the 1969 model year, what is the difference between the 400 HO and the = RA III? Is it just the cam or are the heads, intake and exhaust manifolds = different as well? What about the carb? Thanks, Rich W.
(back) Subject: Re: Anyone Ordered from The Parts Place? From: <JGeigel@aol.com> Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 21:44:20 EDT I purchased from them twice over ebay and have also been to their = facilities in the Chicago area. Delivery was on time. One item I returned without = any problems at all. My experiences with them have been positive. Joe Geigel
(back) Subject: Re: Hot Rod Power Tour From: "Andrew & Kate Panek" <panek@inil.com> Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 20:15:50 -0500 HUGO GOOD MEETING YOU AT THE ILLINOIS MEET. AS TO THE MIDWEST ROADS, IT IS NO WONDER THERE SO FEW CLASSICS LEFT, NOT TO COMPOUND THE PROBLEM WITH = SALT. HOPE TO CATCH YOU NEXT YEAR. ANDREW
(back) Subject: fixed odometer and dash lights From: <T2AVLIS@aol.com> Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 22:35:26 EDT Got the new gauges in the dash, and while I was at it I rewired the dash lights which had a short in them somewhere. So now Ive got a working odometer and dash lights. I think the car might be smoother and faster now.....Just kidding. Happy driving. Tony 69 conv