First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List Re: 4 bolt mains?? by "Frank Zeller" <fzeller@tri-austin.com> 4 bolt mains?? by "Jason Rogers" <jason.rogers@york.com> Restoration Shop by <E21pilot@aol.com> Re: Electric Trunk Pop by "Roy Lumsden" <rlumsden@tampabay.rr.com> Speaking of pictures... by "Roy Lumsden" <rlumsden@tampabay.rr.com> Suspension & Steering Testing by <Jimc2002@aol.com> RE: Picture by "Keith Donmoyer" <kadonny@hotmail.com> RE: Picture by <joseph.f.rotman@household.com> RE: Picture by <hugoba@apcom.com> Re: Fw: Re: Cocktail Shaker's? by "Charlie & Rose Huntington" <badgoat@gwi.net> RE: Nicely optioned 68 Sprint 6 for sale... by "Bob Cisneros" <Bob.Cisneros@Sun.COM> Owner Show Pages Updated (5-18-2001) by "Geoff Martin" <Geoff@firstgenfirebird.org> Re: 4 bolt mains?? by "Bob Cisneros" <Bob.Cisneros@Sun.COM> Re: exhaust manifold needed by "Doug" <dcharnley@mediaone.net> RE: Picture by <hugoba@apcom.com> subframe and brake ? by "earl staley" <87gta@altavista.com> no title car by "earl staley" <87gta@altavista.com> 67-68 subframes by "Charlie & Rose Huntington" <badgoat@gwi.net> RE: Picture by "x1r1 x" <x1r1@hotmail.com> Re: Picture by "Charles Hazelton" <chuckhazelton@telocity.com> RE: 4 bolt mains?? by "johnta1" <johnta1@worthlink.net> Posi rear end by <E21pilot@aol.com>
(back) Subject: Re: 4 bolt mains?? From: "Frank Zeller" <fzeller@tri-austin.com> Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 07:55:13 -0500 Most if not all of the 400 blocks up until 1974 are drilled for 4 bolt = mains but have 2 bolt caps. If the motor is really a 366 HP 400 I would = say yes. Sounds like a RA motor. >>> geoffs@radx.net 05/18/01 01:48AM >>> First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List .......................................................................... Hi all, Can you tell if a 67-69 400 block is 4 bolt mains from any external detail? I have a friend that has a 366 hp '68 400 block for sale (code XT from memory) and he thinks it's a 4 bolt block. I know that the hp rating is no indication as the 335hp RA1 XN coded block was 4 bolt. Apart from pulling the sump off ... I dunno??? Is there a list of which codes were 4 bolt? thanks geoffs :-)
(back) Subject: 4 bolt mains?? From: "Jason Rogers" <jason.rogers@york.com> Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 10:11:06 -0400 Geoff, that block was behind an automatic, 4 bbl, RA II Firebird. I do = not think it was a 4 bolt block though, I could be wrong. Take the pan off. Seeing is believing. Anyone else have any idea?
(back) Subject: Restoration Shop From: <E21pilot@aol.com> Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 10:36:33 EDT Any recommendations for a good restoration shape in the Northern = California/Oregon area? Thanks, Rich W.
(back) Subject: Re: Electric Trunk Pop From: "Roy Lumsden" <rlumsden@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 11:25:23 -0700 Thanks. but, where did you get the latch/solenoid? Is it a stock unit? modified? From a donor (what madel)? Not trying to be a pain. Thanks for your help. Roy L. -----Original Message----- From: Nhra68@aol.com <Nhra68@aol.com> To: Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com <Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com> Date: Thursday, May 17, 2001 8:00 PM Subject: Re: Electric Trunk Pop First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List .......................................................................... The solenoid and trunk latch are one unit. You then run the wire to your glove box (switch - green button) I installed one in my car, and I moved the torsion rods that adjust the trunk "Springy-ness" to the lowest = setting, that way, when I pop the trunk, it raises about an inch or two, not flying up and rebounding. good luck, Nhra68 68 400 coupe Cleveland, OH
(back) Subject: Speaking of pictures... From: "Roy Lumsden" <rlumsden@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 11:28:02 -0700 I just received the latest cataloge suppliment from Summit and low and behold... on the cover is a 67 Firebird 400 convertible. Finally, a little recognition. Roy L.
(back) Subject: Suspension & Steering Testing From: <Jimc2002@aol.com> Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 13:33:33 EDT Does anyone know where I can get a test procedure for ball joints, tie rod = ends, idler arms, etc.? I seems that my Service Manual(s) - '68 and for = other GM vehicles, discuss replacement but must assume the reader can figure out = the part is bad. Well, I can't. I've seen mechanics pry on ball joints to = test for looseness but there must be recommended movement measurements, = etc. Thanks, Jim 68 400HO Conv
(back) Subject: RE: Picture From: "Keith Donmoyer" <kadonny@hotmail.com> Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 16:06:39 -0400 Hugo, I always have a problem connecting to your site. I always get that the server is unavailable. I run IE5.0 and I even tried Netscape browser, = same thing. I even tried to just go to www.apcom.com. Same thing. Anyone else = have this problem? I gotta see that picture!!!!!! Keith 68 H.O. Subject: Re: picture From: <hugoba@apcom.com> Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 21:17:09 -0700 (PDT) Take a look at http://www.apcom.com/fbody/ptour2001/ptour.html Go way down to the last few pictures. Hugo _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
(back) Subject: RE: Picture From: <joseph.f.rotman@household.com> Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 16:07:01 -0500 Who's gorgeous 68 is there with your gorgeous 69 Hugo? Joe Rotman Not so gorgeous 68 Firebird 350 Convertible
(back) Subject: RE: Picture From: <hugoba@apcom.com> Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 14:09:23 -0700 (PDT) Sorry that I have to reply via the list. For some reason I can't email to anyone on hotmail and people on hotmail = can't get to my or my web site. I don't know if they don't update their dns maps or what but it's a pain. You can either try to use the ip address instead of the name: http://64.3.154.4/fbody/ptour2001 Or you can temporarily set your dns configuration to my dns server (same = ip address) and that should let you connect. I moved to a new location some time back and had to change my ip addresses = and it apears that hotmail does not update their dns maps (for months). Anyway, give it a try. If it doesn't work I'll email you a copy from my = yahoo account. Hugo > From Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com Fri May 18 13:54:25 2001 > X-Originating-IP: [64.48.54.74] > From: "Keith Donmoyer" <kadonny@hotmail.com> > To: Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com > Subject: RE: Picture > Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 16:06:39 -0400 > Mime-Version: 1.0 > X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 May 2001 20:06:39.0811 (UTC) > FILETIME=3D[0CDBF130:01C0DFD6] > > First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List > = ......................................................................... > Hugo, > > I always have a problem connecting to your site. I always get that the > server is unavailable. I run IE5.0 and I even tried Netscape browser, = same > thing. I even tried to just go to www.apcom.com. Same thing. Anyone = else > have this problem? I gotta see that picture!!!!!! > > Keith > 68 H.O. > > Subject: Re: picture > From: <hugoba@apcom.com> > Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 21:17:09 -0700 (PDT) > > Take a look at http://www.apcom.com/fbody/ptour2001/ptour.html > > Go way down to the last few pictures. > > Hugo
(back) Subject: Re: Fw: Re: Cocktail Shaker's? From: "Charlie & Rose Huntington" <badgoat@gwi.net> Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 18:06:26 -0400 As you've seen from time to time I made a page for '67 and '68 cocktail shakers on my website. Thanks to Ed Pittman for supplying the 68 front = pics to complete this effort. (Anyone got a couple of '69 pics? Go to the = link on my "tech page" to check these out. Can anyone help Ed find the bracket (pictured hanging on one of the '68 shakers) that he needs to complete his set up? Check out www.badgoat.net -----Original Message----- From: Ed Pittman <e_pittman@juno.com> To: badgoat@gwi.net <badgoat@gwi.net> Date: Thursday, May 17, 2001 2:02 PM Subject: Fw: Fw: Re: Cocktail Shaker's? Charlie, I'm sending this again since it bounced back to me. Ed --------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Ed Pittman <e_pittman@juno.com> To: badgoat@gwi.ne Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 07:27:06 -0400 Subject: Fw: Re: Cocktail Shaker's? Charlie, I have attached a couple of photos for 68 Front Shakers that you may be able to use on your site. Hope this helps. I am also attaching a photo of the missing bracket that I need for the right side shaker if you by any chance know where I can find one. If I cannot find one I guess I will have to fabricate one. Regards, Ed 68 400 conv.
(back) Subject: RE: Nicely optioned 68 Sprint 6 for sale... From: "Bob Cisneros" <Bob.Cisneros@Sun.COM> Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 15:34:21 -0700 (PDT) Erich writes: >How can you have a car and no title? I'm sure that the first thing that comes to mind is some sort of larceny. However, there can be legitimate reasons for not having a title. -My dog ate it. -The dead owner's mother sold the car to me for a $50, but didn't know where he kept the title. -My ex-wife kept the title when she ran off with the garbage man. -The title was lost when the owner's trailer house was destroyed by that twister last summer. -I accidentally threw it out with the other useless junk that cluttered up the closet in the back room. All kidding aside, sometimes people do misplace an important document like a title, or come by a car legitimately, but fail to get the title. Most, if not all states have a process that allows you to get a replacement title. In California, it works this way. You stop by your local Department of Motor Vehicles, and ask for an Application for Duplicate Title. If you were not the last registered owner, get a report from the DMV that indicates who was, and their last known address. You send the form via certified letter to that person, informing them that you have the car, and inquire if they have any legal interest in the car. Request that they release the ownership to you by completing and signing the appropriate part of the form. In many cases, that person will no longer be at that address, and is unreachable. This is why you use a certified letter. If it can't be delivered and signed for, then it comes back to you with a statement of non- delivery by the Post Office. Now you take the letter, or response from the previous owner if you actually contact him or her to the DMV to show that no one other than you has a claim on the car. You should also have a bill of sale indicating that you paid for the car, or that it was given to you. This should be enough to get the state to issue a new title in your name. This could get more complex if the car had never been registered in your state. You then need to figure out where it came from, and perform this process in that state. If the person who is selling the car was in fact the last registered owner, you as the buyer could make it a condition of the sale to secure a replacement title. That would take the burden of the paperwork hassle off your shoulders. >Shouldn't that concern a prospective buyer? While I would certainly hesitate on a title-less car, I might not rule it out entirely if the car were interesting enough, and I could get some guarantee that the car history wasn't tainted or screwed up by legal issues that would make getting a new title difficult or impossible. But, I'd still be very careful. What I would stay away from are cars without data plates or VIN plates. There is too much Tomfoolery that could have taken place to make such a car worth spending hard earned money on. -BoB San Jose, CA 1968 convertible
(back) Subject: Owner Show Pages Updated (5-18-2001) From: "Geoff Martin" <Geoff@firstgenfirebird.org> Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 19:43:51 -0400 Subject: Owner Show Pages Updated (5-18-2001) Added some more owners today to the First Generation Firebird Owners' Show Pages: Robert Lowthert 1969 Iradecent Lt. Green Firebird 350 Coupe (http://FirstGenFirebird.org/show/closeup.mv?CarID=3D167) ------------------- Enjoy - Geoff '68 Mayfair Maize Firebird 350 Convertible (http://FirstGenFirebird.org/show/closeup.mv?CarID=3D46) (Geoff@firstgenfirebird.org) More information about adding your car or link to the owner pages: (http://FirstGenFirebird.org/firebird/owners/info.html) (Make sure to drop the "(" and ")" when using the URLs)
(back) Subject: Re: 4 bolt mains?? From: "Bob Cisneros" <Bob.Cisneros@Sun.COM> Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 16:57:26 -0700 (PDT) Geoff writes: >Can you tell if a 67-69 400 block is 4 bolt mains from any >external detail? I have a friend that has a 366 hp '68 400 >block for sale (code XT from memory) and he thinks it's a >4 bolt block. >Is there a list of which codes >were 4 bolt? Pete McCarthy says in his two books, Pontiac Muscle Performance 1955-1979, and Pontiac Racer's & High Performance Handbook, that these are the clues to look for in the seach for a 4 bolt 400. Engine Codes 1967 400 Ram Air XS, SP, XR 1968 Ram Air WI, XN, XP, XS, WU, WY, XY, XW, WS 1969 RA IV XP, WW, XN, XP 1970 RA IV YZ, WS, WH, WW, XN, XP His notes indicate that..."All 1967-68 428's are 4 bolt. All 1969 428's have 4 bolt holes, but low performance engines with #46 heads have 2 bolt caps. All 68-69 #9792506 Ram Air 400 blocks have 4 bolt caps." So, if the block your friend has for sale has a casting number 9792506, with one of the above '68 or '69 engine codes, it is very likely to have 4 bolt caps, if the original caps are still with it. In addition, his books indicate that these 1970 blocks are 4 bolt: 1970 (RA III) 9799914 1970 (RA IV) 979991(5) 1970 (RA V) 481708 He isn't clear on whether he means these are drilled for 4 bolts, or they came with 4 bolt caps. But my best guess is that means the latter. Of course, you need to verify the date code on any block you look at in order to be sure this other data makes sense. Good luck! -BoB San Jose, CA 1968 convertible bob.cisneros@Sun.COM
(back) Subject: Re: exhaust manifold needed From: "Doug" <dcharnley@mediaone.net> Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 20:25:22 -0400 DelmarvaDJ@aol.com wrote: > First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List > = ......................................................................... > I need a passenger side exhaust manifold for a 68 350. A list member = (Roy) > generously sent me a manifold, but a part # check by another list member > (Bob) revealed it was for a 70 Bird, and wouldn't fit my 68. > Thanks > Steve Lind > 68 350 Conv > What is the part number you need? I have a set that I bought a = couple of years ago for my 67 400 that are not 67 400 manifolds.
(back) Subject: RE: Picture From: <hugoba@apcom.com> Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 17:43:16 -0700 (PDT) That's Jim's 68. Veeeeery nice. We met up with Lee in Wheaton and had = lunch and a few hours of conversation. Hugo > From Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com Fri May 18 16:00:41 2001 > Subject: RE: Picture > To: "First Generation Firebird-L" <Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com> > From: joseph.f.rotman@household.com > Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 16:07:01 -0500 > X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on PHILNOTESM2/SRV/Household(Release > 5.0.5 |September 22, 2000) at 05/18/2001 04:07:05 PM > MIME-Version: 1.0 > > First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List > = ......................................................................... > > Who's gorgeous 68 is there with your gorgeous 69 Hugo? > Joe Rotman > Not so gorgeous 68 Firebird 350 Convertible >
(back) Subject: subframe and brake ? From: "earl staley" <87gta@altavista.com> Date: 18 May 2001 18:05:04 -0700 I have a 68 fire bird that has a damaged subframe do to a bad weld job of = subfraim conectors by the last owner and I also have a 69 firebird parts = car are the subframes the same can I use the 69 to replace the 68. I also = have a 71 parts car with disk brakes I know that they will work with the = 68 or 69 subframe but can I change from the single piston caliper to the = dual piston caliper with out changing any thin exept the caliper its self = and does any one no whare I can get a set of the dual piston calipers and = parts needed for the change. Thanks Earl Find the best deals on the web at AltaVista Shopping! http://www.shopping.altavista.com
(back) Subject: no title car From: "earl staley" <87gta@altavista.com> Date: 18 May 2001 18:12:40 -0700 There is one option that was not brot up some states belive it or not do = not reqiar a title I no alabama is one of these state so it is possible = that the car does not have one in alabama all you need is a bill of sale = to prove you bought the car this may only be fore care that are 10 years = or older or somthing but I do no that when I was in the USMC my romate had = a 69 ford f150 and he was from alabama and did not have to have a title = but had to file for one in NC when he whent to sell the truck. Earl Find the best deals on the web at AltaVista Shopping! http://www.shopping.altavista.com
(back) Subject: 67-68 subframes From: "Charlie & Rose Huntington" <badgoat@gwi.net> Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 19:16:23 -0400 At the risk of sounding like a broken record as I've posted this question before - here goes the long version: I'm restoring a 67 convertible for my wife. I have bought a beautiful 68 subframe but I've seen several posts on the e-mail list and have confirmed in the interchange manual that '67 and '68 subframes are different. I = can't pin down the exact difference but feel that it's something minor related = to the suspension mounting. Here's the rub, My wife's car had a 68 front = clip on it so I don't know if the subframe that I pulled off it was also = changed. Therefor I don't know if the suspension parts I have are '67 or '68. I'd really like to pin down what I have for a subframe and suspension parts = from this car. If anyone could shed some light on this it'll be greatly appreciated!! Check out www.badgoat.net
(back) Subject: RE: Picture From: "x1r1 x" <x1r1@hotmail.com> Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 19:00:59 -0700 Evey link you have posted has worked for me... I use IE4 Microsoft is not my ISP... I don't know... Rowan >From: hugoba@apcom.com >Sorry that I have to reply via the list. > >For some reason I can't email to anyone on hotmail and people on hotmail >can't >get to my or my web site. >I don't know if they don't update their dns maps or what but it's a pain. > >You can either try to use the ip address instead of the name: >http://64.3.154.4/fbody/ptour2001 > >Or you can temporarily set your dns configuration to my dns server (same = ip >address) and that should let you connect. > >I moved to a new location some time back and had to change my ip = addresses >and it apears that hotmail does not update their dns maps (for months). > >Anyway, give it a try. If it doesn't work I'll email you a copy from my >yahoo >account. > >Hugo > > > > From Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com Fri May 18 13:54:25 2001 > > X-Originating-IP: [64.48.54.74] > > From: "Keith Donmoyer" <kadonny@hotmail.com> > > To: Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com > > Subject: RE: Picture > > Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 16:06:39 -0400 > > Mime-Version: 1.0 > > X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 May 2001 20:06:39.0811 (UTC) > > FILETIME=3D[0CDBF130:01C0DFD6] > > > > First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List > > >......................................................................... > > Hugo, > > > > I always have a problem connecting to your site. I always get that = the > > server is unavailable. I run IE5.0 and I even tried Netscape browser, = >same > > thing. I even tried to just go to www.apcom.com. Same thing. Anyone >else > > have this problem? I gotta see that picture!!!!!! > > > > Keith > > 68 H.O. > > > > Subject: Re: picture > > From: <hugoba@apcom.com> > > Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 21:17:09 -0700 (PDT) > > > > Take a look at http://www.apcom.com/fbody/ptour2001/ptour.html > > > > Go way down to the last few pictures. > > > > Hugo > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
(back) Subject: Re: Picture From: "Charles Hazelton" <chuckhazelton@telocity.com> Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 19:04:35 -0700 Me too. Haven't gotten to see a single picture yet :o{ Chuck Hazelton 68 350 conv ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Donmoyer" <kadonny@hotmail.com> To: <Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com> Sent: Friday, May 18, 2001 1:06 PM Subject: RE: Picture > First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List > = ......................................................................... > Hugo, > > I always have a problem connecting to your site. I always get that the > server is unavailable. I run IE5.0 and I even tried Netscape browser, same > thing. I even tried to just go to www.apcom.com. Same thing. Anyone = else > have this problem? I gotta see that picture!!!!!! > > Keith > 68 H.O.
(back) Subject: RE: 4 bolt mains?? From: "johnta1" <johnta1@worthlink.net> Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 22:38:28 -0500 Only the 67-70 Ram Air's and HO's had 4 bolt caps. The casting number = won't tell you if it has 4 bolt caps. You need the engine id and the year. There were no 4 bolt cap 400's after 1970. BTW, I have a 1970 XX code 400 (2 bbl) out of my Esprit,casting number 9799914 that was drilled for 4 bolt mains but has 2 bolt caps. John Wallace Wallace Racing Pontiac Power RULES !!! http://www.wallaceracing.com > > First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List > = ......................................................................... > > > Geoff writes: > >Can you tell if a 67-69 400 block is 4 bolt mains from any > >external detail? I have a friend that has a 366 hp '68 400 > >block for sale (code XT from memory) and he thinks it's a > >4 bolt block. > > >Is there a list of which codes > >were 4 bolt? > > Pete McCarthy says in his two books, Pontiac Muscle Performance > 1955-1979, and Pontiac Racer's & High Performance Handbook, that > these are the clues to look for in the seach for a 4 bolt 400. > > Engine Codes > 1967 400 Ram Air XS, SP, XR > 1968 Ram Air WI, XN, XP, XS, WU, WY, XY, XW, WS > 1969 RA IV XP, WW, XN, XP > 1970 RA IV YZ, WS, WH, WW, XN, XP > > > > His notes indicate that..."All 1967-68 428's are 4 bolt. All > 1969 428's have 4 bolt holes, but low performance engines > with #46 heads have 2 bolt caps. All 68-69 #9792506 Ram Air > 400 blocks have 4 bolt caps." > > So, if the block your friend has for sale has a casting > number 9792506, with one of the above '68 or '69 engine > codes, it is very likely to have 4 bolt caps, if the > original caps are still with it. In addition, his books > indicate that these 1970 blocks are 4 bolt: > > 1970 (RA III) 9799914 > 1970 (RA IV) 979991(5) > 1970 (RA V) 481708 > > He isn't clear on whether he means these are drilled for > 4 bolts, or they came with 4 bolt caps. But my best guess > is that means the latter. > > Of course, you need to verify the date code on any block > you look at in order to be sure this other data makes > sense. > > Good luck! > > -BoB San Jose, CA > 1968 convertible > > bob.cisneros@Sun.COM
(back) Subject: Posi rear end From: <E21pilot@aol.com> Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 04:49:11 EDT A local guy was cleaning out his garage and offered to sell me a 3.08 posi = rear end he claims came out of a first generation Firebird. Are all 67-69 = Firebird rear ends compatible? What codes do I look for to tell me this = was out of a Firebird and not a Camaro? I've heard the Camaro rear ends = were incompatible. Thanks, Rich W.