First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List 67 door on a 68? by <chipshd@wizard.net> RE: Posi rear end by "Gary Patrick" <Gary@tcworks.net> 4 Bolt Main Blocks used on First Gen. Birds by "Joseph Cione" <cione@aoml.noaa.gov> Re: 67 door on a 68? by <hugoba@apcom.com> Re: 4 bolt mains?? by "Chuck Sellers" <chuck_sellers@hotmail.com> Re: Electric Trunk Pop by "Roy Lumsden" <rlumsden@tampabay.rr.com> Re: autumn gold paint by "Tom Grzywacz" <ban67shee@hotmail.com> Re: 67 door on a 68? by "x1r1 x" <x1r1@hotmail.com> Re: Suspension & Steering Testing by "x1r1 x" <x1r1@hotmail.com> More on posi rear end... by <E21pilot@aol.com> Re: Electric Trunk Pop by <Nhra68@aol.com> shifter ? by "Slobird" <marcts@ga.prestige.net> Driver's grill needed by "Chris Porter" <fxstsb@qwest.net> RE: shifter ? by "Mace" <macef@optonline.net> RE: shifter ? by "Brian Sargent" <bjsbird1@yahoo.com> Re: Picture by "Brian Sargent" <bjsbird1@yahoo.com> RE: 4 bolt mains?? by "johnta1" <johnta1@worthlink.net> Re: Electric Trunk Pop by <Framair@aol.com> Classical Pontiac Meet In St. Louis by <Dfmcgr@cs.com> Re: Suspension & Steering Testing by <Jimc2002@aol.com> Re: shifter ? by "x1r1 x" <x1r1@hotmail.com> Re: Electric Trunk Pop by <hugoba@apcom.com>
(back) Subject: 67 door on a 68? From: <chipshd@wizard.net> Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 09:14:27 -0400 Haven't seen this discussed and can't find any info: has anybody tried using a 67 (passenger) door on a 68? It seems like all you'd have to do is cut out the vent window posts and swap in the glass and tracks from a rusted out 68, along with new weather stripping. Appreciate any feedback! Chip '68 400/4-speed coupe '68 350/AT conv -- Chip & Linda Heartfield 301/320-7523 301/320-7431 fax chipheartfield@mindspring.com
(back) Subject: RE: Posi rear end From: "Gary Patrick" <Gary@tcworks.net> Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 09:34:29 -0400 Subject: Posi rear end From: <E21pilot@aol.com> Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 04:49:11 EDT A local guy was cleaning out his garage and offered to sell me a 3.08 posi = rear end he claims came out of a first generation Firebird. Are all 67-69 = Firebird rear ends compatible? What codes do I look for to tell me this was out of a Firebird and not a Camaro? I've heard the Camaro rear ends were incompatible. Camaro used mono leafs (So did 67 bird) Camaro rear can be used with an adapter U joint Firebirds used an X_ for non-posi and U_ for posi in 67 68&9 birds were multileafs. 2 letter code is near clip that attaches brake line to axle tube. find it and we can decode for you. Gary
(back) Subject: 4 Bolt Main Blocks used on First Gen. Birds From: "Joseph Cione" <cione@aoml.noaa.gov> Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 11:31:59 -0700 TRUE 4bolt main blocks used on 67-9 First Gen Birds/TAs: 1968 RA I Block (codes WI, XN) 1968 RA II Block (codes WU, XT*) *geoff's is a RA II auto block* 1969 RA IV Block (code WH, XN) NOTE: 1967 RA I , 1968-9 RA III/400HO ARE NOT 4 bolt main blocks. All this information (plus tons more) can be found in Pete Mccarths Pontiac Performance book/Bible. If you dont have it and you consider yourself a Pontiac performance enthusiast and/or a production/casting numbers nut you are really missing out. Its incredible. Joe
(back) Subject: Re: 67 door on a 68? From: <hugoba@apcom.com> Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 09:39:16 -0700 (PDT) Nope. The number of mounting screws were different on the hinges (I can't remember how many on which). Search the archives. It's been brought up before. Hugo > From Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com Sat May 19 08:00:03 2001 > Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 09:14:27 -0400 > From: chipshd@wizard.net > X-Accept-Language: en,pdf > MIME-Version: 1.0 > To: 1st Generation Firebird <Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com> > Subject: 67 door on a 68? > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List > = ......................................................................... > Haven't seen this discussed and can't find any info: has anybody tried > using a 67 (passenger) door on a 68? > > It seems like all you'd have to do is cut out the vent window posts and > swap in the glass and tracks from a rusted out 68, along with new > weather stripping. > > Appreciate any feedback! > > Chip > '68 400/4-speed coupe > '68 350/AT conv > > -- > Chip & Linda Heartfield > 301/320-7523 > 301/320-7431 fax > chipheartfield@mindspring.com >
(back) Subject: Re: 4 bolt mains?? From: "Chuck Sellers" <chuck_sellers@hotmail.com> Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 10:26:50 -0700 If it is drilled for 4-bolt main caps and you have 2-bolt caps installed = and you want to strengthen the 'stoutness' of your crank, are these something that can be purchased in a speed catalog or do you have to get lucky = enough to find a junk Pontiac core motor for $100 with them on and pull them off? Just curious. Chuck Sellers '68 350 convertible with 'death-drum brakes all around' Subject: Re: 4 bolt mains?? From: "Frank Zeller" <fzeller@tri-austin.com> Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 07:55:13 -0500 Most if not all of the 400 blocks up until 1974 are drilled for 4 bolt mains but have 2 bolt caps. If the motor is really a 366 HP 400 I would say = yes. Sounds like a RA motor. >>>geoffs@radx.net 05/18/01 01:48AM >>> _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
(back) Subject: Re: Electric Trunk Pop From: "Roy Lumsden" <rlumsden@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 14:24:59 -0700 Tom, A picture would be great. If I can't find one, maybe it'll give some ideas of how to modify the mine to work. Thanks, Roy -----Original Message----- From: Tom Sexton <indy@quixnet.net> To: First Generation Firebird-L <Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com> Date: Saturday, May 19, 2001 6:03 AM Subject: Re: Electric Trunk Pop >First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List >......................................................................... >Roy, That part is a swap from any pontiac for sure in those early years >1967-1969. But it may also work from other GM products as well. I have = one >if you need a picture. >Tom >> = ......................................................................... >> Thanks. but, where did you get the latch/solenoid? Is it a stock unit? >> modified? From a donor (what madel)? Not trying to be a pain. Thanks = for >> your help. >> >> Roy L. > > >
(back) Subject: Re: autumn gold paint From: "Tom Grzywacz" <ban67shee@hotmail.com> Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 15:25:32 -0400 I am seriously considering repainting my car back to the original color as = well (Autumn gold) I seen an Autumn gold 67 with black interior and black vinyl top, and it looked great..The hood scoop inserts were done in black, = and set the car off well... I think there are a few pics of 67's on the owners pages to get an idea.. Tom I am in the process of getting quotes for painting my 1967 Ragtop 400 Firebird. The color of the car is currently silver, but from the data plate the original color was Autumn Gold. I can see the gold color under the sill plates, but am a bit leary of this color. Does anyone have a car done in this color, and if so can you send me some pictures? The interior of the car is black, as is the convertible top. Thanks, Tom McLaughlin _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
(back) Subject: Re: 67 door on a 68? From: "x1r1 x" <x1r1@hotmail.com> Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 14:11:21 -0700 Also, the interior panel on a 67 does not come up to cover the 'elbowrest' = area where the lock handle sticks up. >From: hugoba@apcom.com >Nope. The number of mounting screws were different on the hinges (I can't >remember how many on which). > >Search the archives. It's been brought up before. > > >Hugo > > > > From Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com Sat May 19 08:00:03 2001 > > Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 09:14:27 -0400 > > From: chipshd@wizard.net > > X-Accept-Language: en,pdf > > MIME-Version: 1.0 > > To: 1st Generation Firebird <Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com> > > Subject: 67 door on a 68? > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > > > First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List > > >......................................................................... > > Haven't seen this discussed and can't find any info: has anybody tried > > using a 67 (passenger) door on a 68? > > > > It seems like all you'd have to do is cut out the vent window posts = and > > swap in the glass and tracks from a rusted out 68, along with new > > weather stripping. > > > > Appreciate any feedback! > > > > Chip > > '68 400/4-speed coupe > > '68 350/AT conv > > > > -- > > Chip & Linda Heartfield > > 301/320-7523 > > 301/320-7431 fax > > chipheartfield@mindspring.com > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
(back) Subject: Re: Suspension & Steering Testing From: "x1r1 x" <x1r1@hotmail.com> Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 14:45:05 -0700 Permissable looseness in a ball joint, tie rod, or suspension pivot =3D 0. there are a few exceptions, like Toyota pickups and '31 Fords have a = springy drag link to the pitman arm. What you waqnt to do is drive the front of the car onto ramps or some blocks, so you can see underneath. have somone steer back and forth, = while the weight of the car keeps the tires from steering easily. if the center link moves up and down, it is likely a bad idler arm(you = will see it rock where it sould just swivel. A tie rod thet has play before starting to move needs replacement if the pitman shaft at the bottom of the steering box kicks out sideways before actuating the steering it needs adjustment or a new bushing. if the joint at the end of the pitman arm is loose, it needs replacement. Then jack the car up by the front suspension. using a pry bar, try to raise each tire...if the lower ball joint moves up = and down it is bad. Grab the top of the tire and push/pull it in and out. A little play is = good, to just over 1/8 inch. if it goes further, note where the play = originates: upper ball joint wheel bearing control arm bushing. In General, free the part you are testing to show looseness if it is present, and then figure out how to apply a simulated load to the part. IE the lower ball joint won't move no mater how yuou pull and pry if the whole car is resting on it. When planing your repair strategy, keep in mind that wit suspnsion work on = older cars, it is easy to replace the weakest link, and the car will = likely drive much better, but in 2 or 3 days, you will be ever so much more aware = of the next weakest link. So if several parts are marginal, you will save = a good deal of labor doing them all at once. or steering linkages at one time, then ball joints and suspension bushings = at another. And of cours, there is the use factor...my car is my main transportation, and I live in an area of sketchy mountain roads so I want it perfect. If = 3 times a year you criuse a few miles to the local Show n Shine, you would probably just be wasting $200 to $1000 replacing your entire suspension. If your tires wear bald on one part while still having full tread on another, you probably have a safety issue. If she just wanders a litte on = the freeway, it is all about how much of that you want to tolerate Alignment is a big factor in the way your car drives, and while poor alignment can feel lot like worn hardware, Worn out parts make an acurate = alignment imossible. Well, theres some pointers anyway. Rowan >From: Jimc2002@aol.com >Does anyone know where I can get a test procedure for ball joints, tie = rod >ends, idler arms, etc.? I seems that my Service Manual(s) - '68 and for >other >GM vehicles, discuss replacement but must assume the reader can figure = out >the part is bad. Well, I can't. I've seen mechanics pry on ball joints = to >test for looseness but there must be recommended movement measurements, >etc. > >Thanks, > >Jim >68 400HO Conv > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
(back) Subject: More on posi rear end... From: <E21pilot@aol.com> Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 18:27:21 EDT I found the code 4PR G025 stamped on the axle of the mystery rear end. I = think the P is for Pontiac but I'm not sure about the rest. Any other = guesses? I was told it was 3.08 posi for a first generation Firebird but = I wanted to make sure. Rich W.
(back) Subject: Re: Electric Trunk Pop From: <Nhra68@aol.com> Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 18:35:19 EDT It was an option in 68, so yes it is a stock part. I do not know if other = models (camaro, nova etc.) would work. Every now and then, one pops up = (no pun) on EBAY, I think I paid 75 bucks for mine. Good luck NHRA68
(back) Subject: shifter ? From: "Slobird" <marcts@ga.prestige.net> Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 18:43:59 -0400 I just got a tci th400 for my 68 bird with console shifter. This car originally had a powerglide and has the same shifter. I was using this shifter on my old th400, and it worked, but will not go into first on the new trans. Now I am wondering about getting an aftermarket shifter. Is there one which will fit on the stock console? If so, what part number manufacturer? I am really afraid to run the car, since I don't want to run the trans if inbetween gears, I am really paranoid about burning it up. thanx tim
(back) Subject: Driver's grill needed From: "Chris Porter" <fxstsb@qwest.net> Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 17:12:45 -0700 Still looking for a standard grill, driver's side. Anybody help with this ? Repainting no problem, please no cracked one's. Speaking of painting, what have you used in the past ? I'll be repainting the one I have, and hopefully the one I can soon find. Chris `68 350 H.O. Drop-top
(back) Subject: RE: shifter ? From: "Mace" <macef@optonline.net> Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 20:44:01 -0400 Tim, I just put a B&M Megashifter in my 69 and it works out great. I have = a 2004r 4 speed and the shifter and plate fit perfectly. You need to drill = new holes for mounting but ofhter than that no problem... Mace 69 355 Drop-Top I just got a tci th400 for my 68 bird with console shifter. This car originally had a powerglide and has the same shifter. I was using this shifter on my old th400, and it worked, but will not go into first on the new trans. Now I am wondering about getting an aftermarket shifter. Is there one which will fit on the stock console? If so, what part number manufacturer? I am really afraid to run the car, since I don't want to run the trans if inbetween gears, I am really paranoid about burning it up. thanx tim
(back) Subject: RE: shifter ? From: "Brian Sargent" <bjsbird1@yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 18:50:43 -0700 (PDT) Tim, I too am using the B&M Mega shifter in my 69 bird. I am using it with a 700R4 and it works and fits in the console great. No cutting no splicing, nice and sweet. I used the standard Mega Shifter and if I could do it again I would go with the console unit. The difference is the shifter handle is about 2" shorter in the console model. I think it would "look" tougher. Either would work, but it's look preference. Brian 69 Conv. --- Mace <macef@optonline.net> wrote: > First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List > .......................................................................... > Tim, > I just put a B&M Megashifter in my 69 and it > works out great. I have a > 2004r 4 speed and the shifter and plate fit > perfectly. You need to drill new > holes for mounting but ofhter than that no > problem... > Mace > 69 355 Drop-Top > > I just got a tci th400 for my 68 bird with console > shifter. This car > originally had a powerglide and has the same > shifter. I was using this > shifter on my old th400, and it worked, but will not > go into first on the > new trans. Now I am wondering about getting an > aftermarket shifter. Is > there one which will fit on the stock console? If > so, what part number > manufacturer? > > > > I am really afraid to run the car, since I don't > want to run the trans if > inbetween gears, I am really paranoid about burning > it up. > > thanx > > tim > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/
(back) Subject: Re: Picture From: "Brian Sargent" <bjsbird1@yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 19:07:23 -0700 (PDT) For what it's worth, I haven't had any problems getting onto Hugo's power tour site. I'm using MS Exployer that came with my Windows ME Brian 69 conv. --- Charles Hazelton <chuckhazelton@telocity.com> wrote: > First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List > .......................................................................... > Me too. Haven't gotten to see a single picture yet > :o{ > Chuck Hazelton > 68 350 conv > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Keith Donmoyer" <kadonny@hotmail.com> > To: <Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com> > Sent: Friday, May 18, 2001 1:06 PM > Subject: RE: Picture > > > > First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List > > > .......................................................................... > > Hugo, > > > > I always have a problem connecting to your site. > I always get that the > > server is unavailable. I run IE5.0 and I even > tried Netscape browser, > same > > thing. I even tried to just go to www.apcom.com. > Same thing. Anyone else > > have this problem? I gotta see that picture!!!!!! > > > > Keith > > 68 H.O. > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/
(back) Subject: RE: 4 bolt mains?? From: "johnta1" <johnta1@worthlink.net> Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 21:23:00 -0500 You can buy aftermarket 4 bolt caps that are stronger than the factory = caps. Butler and Kauffman sell them among others. John Wallace Wallace Racing Pontiac Power RULES !!! http://www.wallaceracing.com > Subject: Re: 4 bolt mains?? > If it is drilled for 4-bolt main caps and you have 2-bolt caps > installed and > you want to strengthen the 'stoutness' of your crank, are these = something > that can be purchased in a speed catalog or do you have to get > lucky enough > to find a junk Pontiac core motor for $100 with them on and pull them = off? > > Just curious. > > Chuck Sellers > '68 350 convertible with 'death-drum brakes all around'
(back) Subject: Re: Electric Trunk Pop From: <Framair@aol.com> Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 23:35:11 EDT From: Nhra68@aol.com >It was an option in 68, so yes it is a stock part. I do not know if = other models >(camaro, nova etc.) would work. Every now and then, one pops up = (no pun) on >EBAY, I think I paid 75 bucks for mine. >Good luck >NHRA68 ....The Power (electric) Trunk Actuator was used on all '67 - '72 GM cars. Back in the day... ('80s) I was pulling approx. (20) of them per week from the S. Calif. Wrecking-Yards (Pick-A-Part) at $3 - $5 a piece = w/wiring,switch. I sold well over a hundred of them to Dennis Kirban (an East Coast Pontiac = Dealer back then). Amazing what people ask for these things today. I'll poke around and see if I can dig one up out at the 'Barn'. Considering the years and applications covered by this part, it should be relatively easy to find one if you have access to junk yards. John FRamair@aol.com Semper Fi Ephesians 4:32
(back) Subject: Classical Pontiac Meet In St. Louis From: <Dfmcgr@cs.com> Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 00:02:40 EDT I took the Firebird to the Classical Pontiac Meet in Saint Louis today. It = was a great time, but only two other first gen birds showed up. My car = ('69 green conv.) and a red 350 convertible were photographed for the on-line contest for best of show. A 70 GTO won best on the web vote and a 1967 GTO won the best of show as judged by the organizers of the event. I did win a nice set of high performance Raptor mufflers in a drawing!! I'm not sure how long the cars will remain on the site but the home page = is: www.classicalpontiac.com - click on "vote for your favorite now" You = won't be able to vote, but you'll see the cars that participated. Dave 69 conv. 400
(back) Subject: Re: Suspension & Steering Testing From: <Jimc2002@aol.com> Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 00:40:20 EDT Rowan, Great - just what I was looking for. Thanks for your helping - again. Jim
(back) Subject: Re: shifter ? From: "x1r1 x" <x1r1@hotmail.com> Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 21:49:20 -0700 If you have the previous trans still, swappping the shift arm on the = tranny might fix your problem. If adjusting as per the manual won't do it. Rowan >From: "Slobird" <marcts@ga.prestige.net> >I just got a tci th400 for my 68 bird with console shifter. This car >originally had a powerglide and has the same shifter. I was using this >shifter on my old th400, and it worked, but will not go into first on the >new trans. Now I am wondering about getting an aftermarket shifter. Is >there one which will fit on the stock console? If so, what part number >manufacturer? > > > >I am really afraid to run the car, since I don't want to run the trans if >inbetween gears, I am really paranoid about burning it up. > >thanx > >tim _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
(back) Subject: Re: Electric Trunk Pop From: <hugoba@apcom.com> Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 22:35:22 -0700 (PDT) Here is a picture I took some time back: http://www.apcom.com/fbody/firstgen/69latch.jpg If I have time tomorrow I'll take some better shots with some better = angles. Hugo > From Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com Sat May 19 12:03:58 2001 > From: "Roy Lumsden" <rlumsden@tampabay.rr.com> > To: "First Generation Firebird-L" <Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com> > Subject: Re: Electric Trunk Pop > Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 14:24:59 -0700 > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > X-Priority: 3 > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 > > First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List > = ......................................................................... > Tom, > > A picture would be great. If I can't find one, maybe it'll give some = ideas > of how to modify the mine to work. > > Thanks, > Roy > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tom Sexton <indy@quixnet.net> > To: First Generation Firebird-L <Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com> > Date: Saturday, May 19, 2001 6:03 AM > Subject: Re: Electric Trunk Pop > > > >First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List > = >......................................................................... > >Roy, That part is a swap from any pontiac for sure in those early years > >1967-1969. But it may also work from other GM products as well. I have = one > >if you need a picture. > >Tom > >> = ......................................................................... > >> Thanks. but, where did you get the latch/solenoid? Is it a stock = unit? > >> modified? From a donor (what madel)? Not trying to be a pain. Thanks = for > >> your help. > >> > >> Roy L. > > > > > >