First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List Re : Anyone Ordered from The Parts Place? by "Dale J. Barkla" <systech@tig.com.au> For Sale 69 Firebird by "Jason Rogers" <jason.rogers@york.com> Re: 67 door on a 68? by "JOEL BALLOR" <joelballor@mindspring.com> Correct gas cap ? by "Chris Porter" <fxstsb@qwest.net> Re: 68 water pump plate ? by "Tom Grzywacz" <ban67shee@hotmail.com> Re: 68 water pump plate ? by "Tom Grzywacz" <ban67shee@hotmail.com> Correct Fuel Filter? by <DelmarvaDJ@aol.com> Owner Show Pages Updated (5-21-2001) by "Geoff Martin" <Geoff@firstgenfirebird.org> Re: Correct gas cap ? by "Daniel" <poncho40@sga.quik.com> Re: 67 door on a 68? by "Bob Cisneros" <Bob.Cisneros@Sun.COM> Re: Correct gas cap ? by "Bob Cisneros" <Bob.Cisneros@Sun.COM> Re: Correct gas cap ? by <hugoba@apcom.com> Re: Owner Show Pages Updated (5-21-2001) by <hugoba@apcom.com> Hotchkis Sway bar kit by <hugoba@apcom.com> Re: Correct gas cap ? by "x1r1 x" <x1r1@hotmail.com> Re: 68 water pump plate ? by "Bob Cisneros" <Bob.Cisneros@Sun.COM> Vented or not, how can I tell ? by "Chris Porter" <fxstsb@qwest.net> Re: Correct gas cap ? by "Brian Sargent" <bjsbird1@yahoo.com> Re: 68 water pump plate ? by "Charles Hazelton" <chuckhazelton@telocity.com> Re: Electric Trunk Pop by <hugoba@apcom.com> Re: Correct gas cap ? by "Ryan Donohoe" <redonohoe@pikapp.net> Re: 68 water pump plate ? by "Charles Hazelton" <chuckhazelton@telocity.com> Re: Picture by "Steve" <poncho68sa@hotmail.com> grade 5 vs grade 8 by <BHA676@aol.com>
(back) Subject: Re : Anyone Ordered from The Parts Place? From: "Dale J. Barkla" <systech@tig.com.au> Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 09:24:37 +1000 Marty, I've ordered a large number of parts from Joe & Bernice at the Parts Place and have been very happy. Everything's come as promised. I live in Australia so there's usually a 2 - 4 month delay between shipping = & receipt and there has been no problem....that means, I send over a lot of money the first time & sweat for a while... I had a Deluxe wheel restored = by them & Joe sent it back to the restorer twice until he was happy. I highly recommend them & make sure you negotiate a free parts place t-shirt.........cheers, Dale '68 Conv
(back) Subject: For Sale 69 Firebird From: "Jason Rogers" <jason.rogers@york.com> Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 08:59:14 -0400 People of the list. I am selling my 69 Firebird and want it to go to a Firebird finatic. Here are the specs: 69 Firebird coupe 41,000 orig. on car 4k on motor since rebuild Frame off resto by The Chevy Shop, Dover PA Cameo White/Black int. (Wanted to make it into a TA clone someday.) 67 400 .030 9:5:1 compression, Performer RPM Cam (RAIV) .230/.241 .470 lift 670 heads (72cc 2.11 int/1.77 exh), 1.5 Crane Rockers with 3/8 Polylocks, headers, flowmasters Holley 750 vac.seconadaries (78/74 fixed jet) Performer RPM intake painted Pontiac blue Turbo 400 with shift kit built by Jim Taylor 3.55 Posi New tires 14" front/15" rear on Ralley II's HEI ignition, 34 total + 10 vac Traction bars Fiberglass 400 hood, Fiberglass inner front fenders Power driver seat Console All new glass Best run 13.55 @ 99 mph. (That was with a Fireball II cam 216/216 .454 lift, haven't run it yet with new cam. Should be low 13's.) Daily driven/weekend raced. Serious offers only please, located in York, PA. Will trade for 98-99 WS6 or Ferrari 360 Modena. Pics: http://users.supernet.com/jprogers/69drag.htm http://users.desupernet.net/jprogers/drag3.jpg
(back) Subject: Re: 67 door on a 68? From: "JOEL BALLOR" <joelballor@mindspring.com> Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 11:07:59 -0700 Yes it can be done.
(back) Subject: Correct gas cap ? From: "Chris Porter" <fxstsb@qwest.net> Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 07:34:34 -0700 Is this the correct fuel cap ? Mine look's nothing like it. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/aw-cgi/ebayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D5909560= 39&r=3D0&t=3D0 Chris `68 350 H.O. Drop-top
(back) Subject: Re: 68 water pump plate ? From: "Tom Grzywacz" <ban67shee@hotmail.com> Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 12:36:14 -0400 Performance Years or National Parts Depot will have the plate GME39D is = the PY #. The two sleeve grommet/seals could be bad as well..Check for cool spots in radiator..plugged cores..Just a thought. I had problems with my 400, and bought an aluminum water pump, and new grommets, and dropped temp = 25 degrees. Tom Anyone who has replaced the plate behind the waterpump on a 68 350, where did you find a new plate? We're still having water circulation problems (I posted earlier about the upper rad hose collapsing and the car = overheating) so I'm thinking the plate is bad. There were several holes rusted through = it but I patched it up with JB Weld & thought it would hold. Guess not. Would like to have a new plate on hand before yanking the pump off. As always, I really appreciate the help Chuck Hazelton 68 350 conv _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
(back) Subject: Re: 68 water pump plate ? From: "Tom Grzywacz" <ban67shee@hotmail.com> Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 12:38:21 -0400 Almost forgot..If the holes are minor, and you need to repair, or can't = get plate, take it to a shop and have the holes welded. Then grind smooth the areas. Tom Anyone who has replaced the plate behind the waterpump on a 68 350, where did you find a new plate? We're still having water circulation problems (I posted earlier about the upper rad hose collapsing and the car = overheating) so I'm thinking the plate is bad. There were several holes rusted through = it but I patched it up with JB Weld & thought it would hold. Guess not. Would like to have a new plate on hand before yanking the pump off. As always, I really appreciate the help Chuck Hazelton 68 350 conv _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
(back) Subject: Correct Fuel Filter? From: <DelmarvaDJ@aol.com> Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 15:29:08 EDT Is the small filter in the carb (2 bbl, 350) the only filter in the fuel line, or should there be an inline filter also. If so, what is the part # = of the inline filter? As always, I appreciate the help. Steve Lind 68 350 Conv
(back) Subject: Owner Show Pages Updated (5-21-2001) From: "Geoff Martin" <Geoff@firstgenfirebird.org> Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 15:46:00 -0400 Subject: Owner Show Pages Updated (5-21-2001) Added some more owners today to the First Generation Firebird Owners' Show Pages: Paul and Sarah Beers 1967 Regimental Red Firebird 400 Convertible (http://FirstGenFirebird.org/show/closeup.mv?CarID=3D168) - A very sharp '67!! gm ------------------- Enjoy - Geoff '68 Mayfair Maize Firebird 350 Convertible (http://FirstGenFirebird.org/show/closeup.mv?CarID=3D46) (Geoff@firstgenfirebird.org) More information about adding your car or link to the owner pages: (http://FirstGenFirebird.org/firebird/owners/info.html) (Make sure to drop the "(" and ")" when using the URLs)
(back) Subject: Re: Correct gas cap ? From: "Daniel" <poncho40@sga.quik.com> Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 11:23:32 -0400 not hardly !!!!!!! Daniel Ray
(back) Subject: Re: 67 door on a 68? From: "Bob Cisneros" <Bob.Cisneros@Sun.COM> Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 13:50:21 -0700 (PDT) Chip poses the question: >>Haven't seen this discussed and can't find any info: has anybody tried >>using a 67 (passenger) door on a 68? >>It seems like all you'd have to do is cut out the vent window posts and >>swap in the glass and tracks from a rusted out 68, along with new >>weather stripping. ....and Joel writes: >Yes it can be done. So, how does that work? The '67 doors use a 3 bolt hinge, and the 68/69 use 4 bolt hinges. I've always understood this to be the big obstacle to this swap. -BoB San Jose, CA 1968 convertible bob.cisneros@Sun.COM
(back) Subject: Re: Correct gas cap ? From: "Bob Cisneros" <Bob.Cisneros@Sun.COM> Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 13:54:53 -0700 (PDT) Chris writes: > Is this the correct fuel cap ? Mine look's nothing like it. >http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/aw-cgi/ebayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D590956= 039&r=3D0 >&t=3D0 No, it's not. The seller mistakenly, or otherwise, has confused a Camaro only cap as applicable to Firebirds as well. 1967-68 Camaros have an external cap. Same year Firebirds have a gas filler door, behind which sits the cap. You need to determine if you need a vented or non-vented cap, depending on how your car was delivered. -BoB San Jose, CA 1968 convertible bob.cisneros@Sun.COM
(back) Subject: Re: Correct gas cap ? From: <hugoba@apcom.com> Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 13:58:41 -0700 (PDT) Maybe a cramaro but certainly not a Firebird. The cramros didn't have the door (67-68) so they used a flush type cap. The birds use a smallish metalic cap with a label on it. Hugo > From Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com Mon May 21 12:02:43 2001 > Delivered-To: fixup-Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com@fixme > Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 07:34:34 -0700 > From: Chris Porter <fxstsb@qwest.net> > X-Accept-Language: en > MIME-Version: 1.0 > To: First Generation Firebird-L <Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com> > Subject: Correct gas cap ? > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List > = ......................................................................... > Is this the correct fuel cap ? Mine look's nothing like it. > = http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/aw-cgi/ebayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D5909560= 39&r=3D0&t=3D0 > > > > Chris > `68 350 H.O. Drop-top > >
(back) Subject: Re: Owner Show Pages Updated (5-21-2001) From: <hugoba@apcom.com> Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 14:04:58 -0700 (PDT) WOW! That is a gorgeous car!! As far as the comments on restoring back to the parchment interior with = ivory top, I don't know. I like the red exterior with black interior and top. I guess if you are trying to go back to all original go for it but it = looks increddible the way it is. Hugo > From Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com Mon May 21 13:00:30 2001 > Subject: Owner Show Pages Updated (5-21-2001) > Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 15:46:00 -0400 > From: Geoff Martin <Geoff@firstgenfirebird.org> > To: "Firebird-L" <Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com> > Mime-Version: 1.0 > > First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List > = ......................................................................... > Subject: Owner Show Pages Updated (5-21-2001) > > Added some more owners today to the First Generation Firebird Owners' > Show Pages: > > Paul and Sarah Beers > 1967 Regimental Red Firebird 400 Convertible > (http://FirstGenFirebird.org/show/closeup.mv?CarID=3D168) > - A very sharp '67!! gm > > ------------------- > Enjoy - Geoff > '68 Mayfair Maize Firebird 350 Convertible > (http://FirstGenFirebird.org/show/closeup.mv?CarID=3D46) > (Geoff@firstgenfirebird.org) > > More information about adding your car or link to the owner pages: > (http://FirstGenFirebird.org/firebird/owners/info.html) > (Make sure to drop the "(" and ")" when using the URLs)
(back) Subject: Hotchkis Sway bar kit From: <hugoba@apcom.com> Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 14:14:47 -0700 (PDT) I just got my Hotchkis Sway bar kit that I won on the Power Tour and it's = the complete kit, front and back. I'm jazzed! I'll be installing it in the 69 vert and together with the subframe = connectors (once I modify things) and eventually the rack and pinion steering it = should make the car handle almost as good as a late model (I already installed a = PST polycarbon kit in the front as well as new springs in the back and KYB = shocks all around). Hmmmm, maybe it's time to convert to a manual transmission.... NAHHHHHHH Hugo
(back) Subject: Re: Correct gas cap ? From: "x1r1 x" <x1r1@hotmail.com> Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 14:58:21 -0700 Vented caps are good news for me...are they readily available, and will = they interchange with non vented? .....I need a vented for my EFI....drilling the nonvented is always problematic. Rowan >From: Bob Cisneros <Bob.Cisneros@Sun.COM> > > >Chris writes: > > Is this the correct fuel cap ? Mine look's nothing like it. > = >http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/aw-cgi/ebayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D590956= 039&r=3D0 > >&t=3D0 > >No, it's not. The seller mistakenly, or otherwise, has confused >a Camaro only cap as applicable to Firebirds as well. 1967-68 >Camaros have an external cap. Same year Firebirds have a gas >filler door, behind which sits the cap. You need to determine >if you need a vented or non-vented cap, depending on how your >car was delivered. > >-BoB San Jose, CA > 1968 convertible > > bob.cisneros@Sun.COM > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
(back) Subject: Re: 68 water pump plate ? From: "Bob Cisneros" <Bob.Cisneros@Sun.COM> Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 14:58:29 -0700 (PDT) Tom Grzywacz writes: >Performance Years or National Parts Depot will have the plate GME39D is = the >PY #. The two sleeve grommet/seals could be bad as well.. In response to Chuck H's query: >>Anyone who has replaced the plate behind the waterpump on a 68 350, = where >>did you find a new plate? Plate? As in singular? A 1968 and earlier 8 bolt water pump/timing cover use 2 plates, Performance Years p/n GME38D, which are reproduced in stainless steel. This style pump does not use the sleeves/grommets as does the later configuration. The part number that Tom gives is correct for the 1969 and later single plate arrangement. Count the bolts mounting your pump to the timing cover. If you have an 8 bolt pump/cover, and installed only 1 plate, this may be at least in part the cause of your continued overheating problem. -BoB San Jose, CA 1968 convertible bob.cisneros@Sun.COM
(back) Subject: Vented or not, how can I tell ? From: "Chris Porter" <fxstsb@qwest.net> Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 15:17:23 -0700 First, I asked about that cap becuase it look's nothing like the one I have. Second, how can I tell if mine should be vented or not ? I do have 2 fuel lines, although one is not currently in use ( the way I got it ). The return line in question has been plugged. Should it be this way ? Thanks all. Chris `68 350 H.O. Drop-top
(back) Subject: Re: Correct gas cap ? From: "Brian Sargent" <bjsbird1@yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 15:29:30 -0700 (PDT) Chris, I agree with these others that it's a camaro cap. I don't think it would fit behind a birds door. Are you sure you have a Firebird? Does yours' have a door? Maybe you really have a camaro and joined the wrong board by mistake! Lol. Looking forward to seeing your Fire...er cam...er whatever on the 2nd. Brian 69 FIREBIRD drop top --- Bob Cisneros <Bob.Cisneros@Sun.COM> wrote: > First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List > .......................................................................... > > > Chris writes: > > Is this the correct fuel cap ? Mine look's nothing > like it. > >http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/aw-cgi/ebayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D590956= 039&r=3D0 > >&t=3D0 > > No, it's not. The seller mistakenly, or otherwise, > has confused > a Camaro only cap as applicable to Firebirds as > well. 1967-68 > Camaros have an external cap. Same year Firebirds > have a gas > filler door, behind which sits the cap. You need to > determine > if you need a vented or non-vented cap, depending on > how your > car was delivered. > > -BoB San Jose, CA > 1968 convertible > > bob.cisneros@Sun.COM > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/
(back) Subject: Re: 68 water pump plate ? From: "Charles Hazelton" <chuckhazelton@telocity.com> Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 17:19:34 -0700 Tom, Thanks for the sources & the tips ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Grzywacz" <ban67shee@hotmail.com> To: <Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com> Sent: Monday, May 21, 2001 9:36 AM Subject: Re: 68 water pump plate ? > First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List > = ......................................................................... > Performance Years or National Parts Depot will have the plate GME39D is the > PY #. The two sleeve grommet/seals could be bad as well..Check for cool > spots in radiator..plugged cores..Just a thought. I had problems with my > 400, and bought an aluminum water pump, and new grommets, and dropped = temp > 25 degrees. > > Tom > > > > Anyone who has replaced the plate behind the waterpump on a 68 350, = where > did you find a new plate? We're still having water circulation problems = (I
(back) Subject: Re: Electric Trunk Pop From: <hugoba@apcom.com> Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 17:19:33 -0700 (PDT) Here are some more pictures of the latch. Some are blury so I might have = to re-take them: http://www.apcom.com/fbody/firstgen/latch/ (Sorry to those that can't get to the site) I have also put up some pictures of the 455 in the 69 since some asked: http://www.apcom.com/fbody/firstgen/455 No, the blue is not Pontiac blue. I could not find any in time so I used = (gulp) GM blue. Hugo > From Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com Thu May 17 19:54:12 2001 > Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 20:56:57 EDT > From: Nhra68@aol.com > Subject: Re: Electric Trunk Pop > To: <Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com> > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List > = ......................................................................... > The solenoid and trunk latch are one unit. You then run the wire to = your glove box (switch - green button) I installed one in my car, and I = moved the torsion rods that adjust the trunk "Springy-ness" to the lowest = setting, that way, when I pop the trunk, it raises about an inch or two, = not flying up and rebounding. > > good luck, > > Nhra68 > 68 400 coupe > Cleveland, OH >
(back) Subject: Re: Correct gas cap ? From: "Ryan Donohoe" <redonohoe@pikapp.net> Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 00:32:14 -0400 When I bought a new cap from Year One for my 69 they sold me a vented cap, = which would not fit filler neck. After messing around with it for a while = in Year One's parking lot, we tried the non-vented cap listed for GTO and it fit perfectly. So to answer your question on a 69 a vented cap will = not interchange with a non vented. At 02:58 PM 5/21/01 -0700, you wrote: >First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List >......................................................................... >Vented caps are good news for me...are they readily available, and will >they interchange with non vented? >....I need a vented for my EFI....drilling the nonvented is always >problematic. >Rowan
(back) Subject: Re: 68 water pump plate ? From: "Charles Hazelton" <chuckhazelton@telocity.com> Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 21:39:03 -0700 Bob, Thanks for your response. I've racked my feeble, old brain and am positive we only installed one plate. That was all that was there when we removed = the old, crusted water pump to get the engine rebuilt, so that's what we put back in. Probably lost or discarded the other one 16 years ago when we = first took this apart. Come to think of it, it always had an overheating problem then also. Of course we didn't have the vast collective knowledge of this list back then. Ordered the plates from PY tonight. You said the sleeves/grommets are NOT used on the 68-8 bolt? Will I need a timing cover gasket set or is there one for just the w/p? Thanks again for the help. Chuck Hazelton 68 350 conv (soon to be running cool) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Cisneros" <Bob.Cisneros@Sun.COM> To: <Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com> Sent: Monday, May 21, 2001 2:58 PM Subject: Re: 68 water pump plate ? > First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List > = ......................................................................... > > > Tom Grzywacz writes: > >Performance Years or National Parts Depot will have the plate GME39D is the > >PY #. The two sleeve grommet/seals could be bad as well.. > > In response to Chuck H's query: > >>Anyone who has replaced the plate behind the waterpump on a 68 350, where > >>did you find a new plate? > > Plate? As in singular? A 1968 and earlier 8 bolt water pump/timing > cover use 2 plates, Performance Years p/n GME38D, which are reproduced > in stainless steel. This style pump does not use the sleeves/grommets > as does the later configuration. The part number that Tom gives is > correct for the 1969 and later single plate arrangement. Count the > bolts mounting your pump to the timing cover. If you have an 8 > bolt pump/cover, and installed only 1 plate, this may be at least > in part the cause of your continued overheating problem. > > -BoB San Jose, CA > 1968 convertible > > bob.cisneros@Sun.COM
(back) Subject: Re: Picture From: "Steve" <poncho68sa@hotmail.com> Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 00:09:48 -0500 worked ok for me..... Steve poncho68sa@hotmail.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "x1r1 x" <x1r1@hotmail.com> To: <Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com> Sent: Friday, May 18, 2001 9:00 PM Subject: RE: Picture > First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List > = ......................................................................... > Evey link you have posted has worked for me... > I use IE4 > Microsoft is not my ISP... > I don't know... > Rowan > > > >From: hugoba@apcom.com > > >Sorry that I have to reply via the list. > > > >For some reason I can't email to anyone on hotmail and people on = hotmail > >can't > >get to my or my web site. > >I don't know if they don't update their dns maps or what but it's a = pain. > > > >You can either try to use the ip address instead of the name: > >http://64.3.154.4/fbody/ptour2001 > > > >Or you can temporarily set your dns configuration to my dns server = (same ip > >address) and that should let you connect. > > > >I moved to a new location some time back and had to change my ip addresses > >and it apears that hotmail does not update their dns maps (for months). > > > >Anyway, give it a try. If it doesn't work I'll email you a copy from my > >yahoo > >account. > > > >Hugo > > > > > > > From Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com Fri May 18 13:54:25 2001 > > > X-Originating-IP: [64.48.54.74] > > > From: "Keith Donmoyer" <kadonny@hotmail.com> > > > To: Firebird-L@oakmediacreations.com > > > Subject: RE: Picture > > > Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 16:06:39 -0400 > > > Mime-Version: 1.0 > > > X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 May 2001 20:06:39.0811 (UTC) > > > FILETIME=3D[0CDBF130:01C0DFD6] > > > > > > First Generation Firebird-L Mailing List > > > > = >......................................................................... > > > Hugo, > > > > > > I always have a problem connecting to your site. I always get that the > > > server is unavailable. I run IE5.0 and I even tried Netscape = browser, > >same > > > thing. I even tried to just go to www.apcom.com. Same thing. = Anyone > >else > > > have this problem? I gotta see that picture!!!!!! > > > > > > Keith > > > 68 H.O. > > > > > > Subject: Re: picture > > > From: <hugoba@apcom.com> > > > Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 21:17:09 -0700 (PDT) > > > > > > Take a look at http://www.apcom.com/fbody/ptour2001/ptour.html > > > > > > Go way down to the last few pictures. > > > > > > Hugo > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com >
(back) Subject: grade 5 vs grade 8 From: <BHA676@aol.com> Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 01:46:22 EDT I was not able to locate grade 8 lock nuts(non nylon) with coarse thread. = All I could find were fine. I need to get some for my pitman arm to = subframe connection and my steering knuckle. I think they are called stover = locknuts. Any help in where to find them or what kind of store has them??? If not should I use lock tite? This is my suspension people so I would like the right stuff. brad 67 400 convert