Hi all, I've been a member of this forum for many years, don't post often, only when I need advice, and I appreciate this forum is here. I bought my '67 Firebird 400 back in '86, it had about 52k miles on it, I've babied it for 35 years, it's got about 70k now. Yes that is accurate. Don't drive it much, been through many other Pontiacs since: 2002 Trans Am Collector Edition Two Last Gen Bonnevilles (love that car, Leased one in 2003, then bought 2005 GXP about 6 years ago, drove it for a few years and traded it in. G8 GT - Yea, took a while to buy this, but bought it two summers ago, 100k miles, but ran like it's supposed to.
Just traded that G8 in this past week, for a Subaru Outback Wilderness, Yep, times are changing.
The '67 is taking up a valuable spot in my garage, hate to say it, but I'm closer to selling than anytime over the last 35 years. It's all verified as original, 400 engine, Muncie 4 speed, deluxe interior, I changed out the radiator, still have the original, but the aluminum keeps it cooler. Installed a remote solenoid to battle the Hot Start problem, seems to work okay. I did the Pontiac Historic services thing, got all that documentation for my car.
Yes there is some rust, rear floor boards are bad, but most metal is in good shape.
I noticed Ebay seems very loaded with First Gen Firebirds, more so than previous years when I looked. I don't know if they are selling.
Very difficult to put a price on my car, the originality of it has to be worth something, dont really want to put money into it just to sell it, makes no sense, but if someone had a shop they would certainly do that.
No, not looking for offers, just a good discussion and opinions on the current market.
It sounds like you have an awesome and rare 67 400 4 speed. Unfortunately it's hard to put a value on it without seeing pictures of it. It sounds like it may need metal work which can add up quickly on cost, and that will impact the overall value of it. As a driver, which it sounds like this is a great one, if the paint is decent and it's a desirable color combo you may get more than market value on it because it is a rare bird and originality helps it. I sounds like it's may be under $30,000 on value based on just a guess on condition. It's possible it's worth more than $20,000 unless the metal and paint need major attention. The typical issue with our birds when they're in this window on value is collectors usually want a mint bird so they'll have to invest $20,000+ to bring it to where they want it, and the drivers market may not appreciate the originality of it and won't pay for that value in it. It's a tough spot for all involved in the transaction unless you find a buyer that has his heart set on your options and color combo. I have 3 68 400 birds and each was purchased at a different condition level, and battled all these questions myself. If you're able to share more details on options along with pictures, this group is the best for helping each other. Unfortunately I don't see many of our 400 birds selling over $40,000 even when restored to factory specs. even though you may see listings asking higher than this price. I'm sure sellers get lucky on occasion, but I know having restored a 68 bird that may have been in similar condition when compared to yours, I'm upside down on it and knew it going in, but I wanted that combo and it was worth it to me to go beyond value to have it the way I want it.
Last edited by Tom68Firebird; 06/29/2101:36 PM.
1968 Pontiac Firebird 400 Convertible - April Gold/Deluxe Black Automatic 1968 Pontiac Firebird 400 Coupe - Aegena Blue/Standard Teal 4 speed 1968 Pontiac Firebird 400 H.O. Convertible - Alpine Blue/Deluxe Teal Automatic 1968 Pontiac Firebird 400 Coupe - Autumn Bronze/Deluxe White 4 speed
And the oldest photo I've got of her, from the early 90's .
The car was originally the Silver Glaze color, stupid move painting it like I did, but I liked red at the time. Paint held up well all those years. And this is interesting, I'm pretty sure the exact same tires are still on the car today.
Your bird looks great! It's in much better condition than I had assumed. However, its' really hard to put a value on it. It's a desirable color combo as it sits, and looks like a great driver. Matching numbers 67 400 4 speeds are rare and desirable so my guess is you'll have a lot of interest in it when you decide to list it.
1968 Pontiac Firebird 400 Convertible - April Gold/Deluxe Black Automatic 1968 Pontiac Firebird 400 Coupe - Aegena Blue/Standard Teal 4 speed 1968 Pontiac Firebird 400 H.O. Convertible - Alpine Blue/Deluxe Teal Automatic 1968 Pontiac Firebird 400 Coupe - Autumn Bronze/Deluxe White 4 speed
Total shoot from the hip range would be $27k to $33k. The more original, the higher the value.
I used to be indecisive. Now I'm not sure. I feel like I am diagonally parked in a parallel universe. 1968 400 convertible (Scarlet) 1976 T/A - 455 LE (No Burt) 1976 T/A New baby, starting full restoration. 1968 350 - 4 speed 'vert - 400 clone (the Beast!) 1968 350 convertible - Wife's car now- 400 clone (Aleutian Blue) (Blue Angel) 2008 Durango - DD 2008 GXP - New one from NH is AWESOME! 2017 Durango Citadel - Modern is nice! HEMI is amazing! 1998 Silverado Z71 - Father-daughter project 1968 400 coupe - R/A clone (Blue Pearl) (sold) 1967 326 convertible - Sold 1980 T/A SE Bandit - Sold
If it's as original as stated and aside from the "Resale Red" paint job, I've been watching these 400 4 speeds going across the block at Mecum's auctions and would'nt be surprised to see the high 30's maybe more. It only take 2 people really wanting it.
Thanks all, I've always thought of Meachum, crazy things happen, if I could get it listed on there with a reserve. It's certainly the originality that creates the value. Engine, trans, full drive train. Engine has never been worked on, Rochester Carb never rebuilt, although there is an old thread on these forums regarding the Carb. We think it was a Factory warranty type replacement from '69 or '70, as the original may have had problems.
Yes it is a daily driver, or at least could be. Very strong engine, very fun hitting high RPMs in 2nd and 3rd gears. I did finally replace the Clutch about 10 years ago, that was a big improvement for my knee, made it much easier to shift.
All major parts date between April and May of '67. The length of time I've owned has to make people interested as well, especially with the original milage being low.
I hate to be a nah-sayer but you really can't say the engines never been worked on or make a statement like that unless you are the original owner and the car has been in your possession since new. Like I bought mine when it was 10 years off the showroom floor and I always used to say the Trans and rear end were original. But years later I blew a couple gears and had to repair the tranny. Turns out it was a 64-67 case. Apparently it had been replaced sometime before I bought it. Lesson learned. Tough to prove absolute statements like that. Just sayin...