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Posted By: Pedrodb Engine Block ID Help - 03/26/19 06:24 PM
Block ID

Hi Guys,

I'm hoping someone out there can help me date this block:

0184795 ZK

It is suppose to be a 67,68 or 69 400 block. I'm hoping someone can help me ID this.

Thanks!

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Posted By: ramair68 Re: Engine Block ID Help - 03/26/19 08:23 PM
According to the info from Wallace racing this block was used in 73/74.

400
170,185 HP
YI,YP,YX,YZ,Y4,ZK,ZX

400
175,190 HP
AD,YF,YK,ZD,ZK

http://www.wallaceracing.com/engine.htm
Posted By: Gus68 Re: Engine Block ID Help - 03/26/19 09:05 PM
unless it's a 6 banger

What do you have for heads?

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Posted By: wovenweb Re: Engine Block ID Help - 03/26/19 10:18 PM
Originally Posted by Gus68
unless it's a 6 banger?


I hate when they do that to you. Ask for an 8 and they give you a 6.
Posted By: Gus68 Re: Engine Block ID Help - 03/26/19 10:46 PM
Originally Posted by wovenweb
Originally Posted by Gus68
unless it's a 6 banger?


I hate when they do that to you. Ask for an 8 and they give you a 6.


It's like God shorted you a testicle. lol
Posted By: oldskool Re: Engine Block ID Help - 03/27/19 02:27 AM
Check the block casting number, which is cast onto a pad, below the rear end of the deck, on the passenger side. All '76 400 blocks are said to be 500557 blocks, which are very undesirable. Hope you have a 481988 block.

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Attached picture '71-Early '75  #481988 400 Block.jpg
Posted By: Pedrodb Re: Engine Block ID Help - 03/27/19 02:46 PM
Thanks for all the help guys. It's a V8 for sure but something wasn't adding up. I'm getting the other stamps today to confirm the dates. It's just frustrating because I was told it was 67-69. It's to replace my 68 original engine that threw a rod.
Posted By: oldskool Re: Engine Block ID Help - 03/27/19 10:24 PM
"...I'm getting the other stamps today to confirm the dates. It's just frustrating because I was told it was 67-69..."


Hey, nowadays, there are LOTS of guys, including Pontiac guys, who will lie & rip you off, if they possibly can. frown

The block date code is usually a 4-digit code, located back by the dist hole. The 1st digit is a letter, beginning with A for Jan, B for Feb, C for Mar, etc. The next 2 digits are for the day of the month. The last digit is the last digit of the year the block was cast. 8 = 1968, 9 = 1969, 0 = 1970, 1 = 1971, etc. 7 could be either 1967 or 1977. No Pontiac 400 blocks were cast after 1977.

So, with the date code, casting number, and the ZK engine code, you can narrow your ID down, really close. Would need the partial VIN number, to match up with the last 6 digits of the vehicle VIN number, to tell what vehicle the engine came from the factory in. But you don't need that info for what you need to know.

Attached picture B011 - Cast Feb 01, 1971 .jpg
Attached picture Cast Nov 10, 1977.JPG
Posted By: wovenweb Re: Engine Block ID Help - 03/28/19 12:55 AM
At this point, use what you’ve got. Unless you were planning some big hp. Since it isn’t the original engine it doesn’t matter too much.
Posted By: oldskool Re: Engine Block ID Help - 03/28/19 02:47 AM
I wouldn't spend any serious money on a 557 block. Any other 400 block that's in good rebuildable condition is OK.
Posted By: wovenweb Re: Engine Block ID Help - 03/28/19 09:28 AM
Originally Posted by oldskool
I wouldn't spend any serious money on a 557 block. Any other 400 block that's in good rebuildable condition is OK.


No reason yet to believe it is a 557 block based on known codes.

If a relatively stock rebuild is a 557 block an issue? OP has provided little to no input on goals for the engine other than as a replacement for original engine.
Posted By: oldskool Re: Engine Block ID Help - 03/28/19 12:59 PM
" No reason yet to believe it is a 557 block based on known codes..."


The 1976 ZK code 400 would be a 500557 block. So, a 557 block is quite possible. Only other ZK code V8's were in '73-'74, as previously posted. Both years would have used the 481988 block. So, I'd think the block has to be either a 500557 or a 481988.

http://www.wallaceracing.com/enginesearch4.htm


"...If a relatively stock rebuild is a 557 block an issue?..."

It is if one of the main webs cracks at a dowel pin hole, like so many others have. Therefore, I personally would not put much money into a 557 block. Obviously, there have been lots of 557 blocks that didn't crack. Considering the price of a high quality Pontiac rebuild, why take a chance on a block widely known to have failed many times in the past. But, if you have 557 block engine that is running good, not needing any shortblock work, may as well just keep running it, IMO.





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Posted By: Bluebird428 Re: Engine Block ID Help - 08/04/19 07:43 PM
Holy crap, almost looks like the dowel pins were too large for the pin holes. I wonder if they kept breaking after they switched from the dowel pins to the roll pins? Looks like lightening up those blocks wasn't such a great idea.
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