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Posted By: Jimc2002 Sunday is Pontiac's "official end" - RIP - 10/30/10 01:54 AM
"Pontiac built its last car nearly a year ago, but the official end was set for Oct. 31, when G.M.’s agreements with Pontiac dealers expire."

Pontiac Falls From Muscle Car Glory to Graveyard - NY Times October 29,2010
...sniff...
Posted By: Hank350 Re: Sunday is Pontiac's "official end" - RIP - 10/30/10 02:33 AM
A sad day indeed!
Posted By: Gus68 Re: Sunday is Pontiac's "official end" - RIP - 10/30/10 03:34 AM
Watch, in 5 years time GM will start another division called "Pontiac Classic".

It worked with coke!
I hope you are correct Gus68 and I hope the product and market planning is done by classic Pontiac enthusiasts.
People thought the same about Olds and many other name plates/brands etc. I'd be willing to venture to say the Corvette is also doomed. 09 was the worst year EVER for Corvette sales and they are saying 2010 may be half the units as last year. Not sure how much longer that name plate will hold on with sales performance like that. Maybe they will become a special order division type thing or limited production runs in the near future...
Posted By: isptech Re: Sunday is Pontiac's "official end" - RIP - 10/30/10 07:37 AM
A very sad day indeed, but the new Pontiacs are nothing like the old ones. The best Pontiac was looking to be the new G8, which did not hardy get off the ground before the Government got involved mad . It seemed as of late the best ventures that the Pontiac motor division came up with were one that in conjunction with other companies. Pontiac Vibe,GTO, & G8 for examples.
Posted By: Gus68 Re: Sunday is Pontiac's "official end" - RIP - 10/30/10 09:35 AM
If we keep restoring existing Pontiac's ... then the brand can never die!

This is not death, this rebirth!
Originally Posted By Gus68
If we keep restoring existing Pontiac's ... then the brand can never die!

This is not death, this rebirth!


I agree!




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Roy, is that a car?
You know honestly pontiac brand has been dead for sometime now. Kill the flag ship(firebird). Then replace it with the girlie GTO personally I am glad they stopped making pontiacs... Go to any pontiac dealership a year ago you saw nothing to appeal to the muscle based crowd. If you want a grocery getter great. You want a cobalt with a V-8 buy the gto. It sucks but they lost me when the last firebird roled off the line. I wasn't happy with the chevy powerplant based firebird but at least it had some styling. Thank you pontiac for making real cars 32 years ago. 1978 was the last year for me for pontiacs. I have owned many firebird-transams from a 67 bird to the 2002 trans am I owned 5 years ago. Never bought a new pontiac only because my finances never allowed it. But the 02TA was only 2years old when I bought it. Sorry I know I am rambling... Anyways hope if they bring back pontiac they take a different approach than what led to it's downfall this time but I believe we have lost the pontiac name forever. All we have is what we as collectors perserve.
Originally Posted By 68tpls400
Roy, is that a car?

Its getting there, Its my "New Pontiac" prototype I am calling it a Tiawaniac


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Posted By: Gus68 Re: Sunday is Pontiac's "official end" - RIP - 10/30/10 06:19 PM
Poetry in motion ... music please
Or a "Tiawabird".

Love it!

smile
Originally Posted By jose67bird
You know honestly pontiac brand has been dead for sometime now. Kill the flag ship(firebird). Then replace it with the girlie GTO personally I am glad they stopped making pontiacs... Go to any pontiac dealership a year ago you saw nothing to appeal to the muscle based crowd. If you want a grocery getter great. You want a cobalt with a V-8 buy the gto. It sucks but they lost me when the last firebird roled off the line. I wasn't happy with the chevy powerplant based firebird but at least it had some styling. Thank you pontiac for making real cars 32 years ago. 1978 was the last year for me for pontiacs. I have owned many firebird-transams from a 67 bird to the 2002 trans am I owned 5 years ago. Never bought a new pontiac only because my finances never allowed it. But the 02TA was only 2years old when I bought it. Sorry I know I am rambling... Anyways hope if they bring back pontiac they take a different approach than what led to it's downfall this time but I believe we have lost the pontiac name forever. All we have is what we as collectors perserve.


I think were better off anyway...the FGFs are the true birds...old classics dont need a later gen to be alive...

Roy, you need to start a new thread on your car. I'm sure I am not the only one here that would love to see pictures of pre-restore to the point you are at right now. By the looks you are going all out to bring this bird back. WOuld love to see more pics.
Originally Posted By jose67bird
Roy, you need to start a new thread on your car. I'm sure I am not the only one here that would love to see pictures of pre-restore to the point you are at right now. By the looks you are going all out to bring this bird back. WOuld love to see more pics.


Will do
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Originally Posted By DoubleEagle
When Was The Last Time That You Employed A 14 Year Old Child To Work 14 Hours a Day For $0.60 cents an Hour,?????????,, HuH??????.. Buy More More,, If You Have any Children,, You know what I say,,, This is what is in store For Your Children With George Bush's "NEW WORLD ORDER"


Question , How does Obama manage to slide out of this ??
Posted By: Gus68 Re: Sunday is Pontiac's "official end" - RIP - 10/31/10 10:20 PM
Man am I stupid! I had no idea they are keeping Buick! I assumed there were gone as well. Help me out here ... what the hell is there at Buick that keeps them alive?

GM is pathetic!
Apparently, the new LaCrosse is selling very well. I wouldn't buy one, though.
the chinese love buick over seas. buick had record sells in china. I watched a show stating if not for the chinese buying buicks theyed been gone with olds a couple years ago.
Well here ya go,, "There's mud in my eye",, grin .. All the news I see is they sell to us and buy nothing.., butt,, there is defiantly a trade imbalance..
Originally Posted By jose67bird
the chinese love buick over seas. buick had record sells in china. I watched a show stating if not for the chinese buying buicks theyed been gone with olds a couple years ago.
Posted By: ho428 Re: Sunday is Pontiac's "official end" - RIP - 11/01/10 03:42 PM
I read somewhere that most of the high selling Buicks overseas are mainly built by Holman GM in Austrailia.
So, not sure why Pontiac was scrapped in favor of Buick here, Pontiac out sold Buick domestically.
The chinese loves Buick....and so does Tiger...lol
Posted By: ho428 Re: Sunday is Pontiac's "official end" - RIP - 11/01/10 05:37 PM
Originally Posted By Bjorn Sefeldt
The chinese loves Buick....and so does Tiger...lol


Only thing he's hit anything with while driving in quite awhile.
Originally Posted By ho428
Originally Posted By Bjorn Sefeldt
The chinese loves Buick....and so does Tiger...lol


Only thing he's hit anything with while driving in quite awhile.

well, not quite , I think he hit a few "soft spots" too....lol

and they werent 'hole in ones' either,
more like 'hole in several '..
I did my part to mark the day - I rolled my '67 out of the garage and hit the streets for a short drive.
We did our part too, installed an NOS vacuum gauge and replaced a clock delete plate with a working clock in the dash. Oh looks soooo much nicer!



another one....
I wonder if Pontiac had gone to a retro look with the most recent GTO, if it would have been a different story. Can you imagine if they product something that looked like a 1969 Judge, how things might of changed. Instead they decided to save money and went with Holden and produced a Grand Am looking car.
Originally Posted By hokie1984
I wonder if Pontiac had gone to a retro look with the most recent GTO, if it would have been a different story. Can you imagine if they product something that looked like a 1969 Judge, how things might of changed. Instead they decided to save money and went with Holden and produced a Grand Am looking car.


Yes it would but I think that by the time they made the GTO they were already planning the demise of the brand. Pontiac had a great V8 Grand Prix and did not adverize it. They had a high performance UTE in consideration that would have sold like mad. They could have reintroduced the Firebird on the Camaro platform and rekindled it. In the meantime they could have shifted the econo-cars and family vehicles to Chevy and concentrated on being the sport and performance brand. The problem, however, would be the enviros CAFE edicts by the government would have made Pontiac the drag on GM.
In honor of Pontiac and all it once stood for, here is how I pay my respects to the name plate. We installed two OEM parts to the interior of our 67 LeMans. One is an NOS vacuum gauge (lower right hand corner of the pic on the console) given to me for my B-day a few weeks back and the other is an OEM clock in place of the clock delete plate that drove me nuts. I hated seeing that blank gauge pod. Rally gauges coming soon!
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