68tpls400, yes sir, got it fixed last night.and they are a PITA, you know I should have done both sides at the same time, since I had all the windows out, but heck, I'll get to learn it all over again in a year or two. And 68 firebird400, you definetly have a broken roller, mine was doing the same thing, and I kept loosing the piece of wood that was jammed in there to hold it up:)I'll try to post pics of the spanner wrench my friend built, I thinnk classic wants like $25.00, but it's probably worth it.