Just re-read Va68's post. Do you mean the shifter and stick are 4 inches higher than the Muncie or just the shifter itself? The part on the Hurst shifter that the stick bolts to is at about the same height as the TKO shifter stub. The stick itself ended up approximately the same height and position as when it was attached to the Muncie and the Hurst shifter. The only part of the TKO that protrudes through the tunnel is the shifter stub.