I have gone around and drilled the pans, but still cannot get them to budge in the front. Are the subframe brackets welded to the floor and then the support welded to those? Or do the subframe brackets come out with the seat pan? I don't want to mess the seat support up too much, because they are one of the few parts that are actually in good shape. I guess I need to know if all of the spot welds are on top of the seat support or are there some others? That would also tell me if the subframe needs to come off first or if I can get the support pan out and then remove the subframe.