ok, thankyou, the vin in the door jamb is missing, lost, gone for ever, although i cant see the stamped vin in the picture, thank you for posting it, i will keep looking, someone posted a picture ages ago of where it was. i thought at the time, oh, thats where it is !! but now i cant find that post, i had the cowl vent off the other day & thought i would have another look with no luck, that is why it is annoying me again. cheers.