ok guys and gals,need some help.I have a 69 firebird and I had BUTLER PERF.turn my 400 into a stroker 467 this spring.I can drive it around,temps around 180-190 cruising,idling around 190- 200.If i turn the car off it rolls over SLOW not enough to fire.so here we go ,checked the timing,seems to be fine,replaced the starter last Sat.with a powermaster high tork one ,replaced the + cable today with a #2 cable,had the battery checked yesterday,putting out 850 c.c.Is there a chance that the engine could be to tight or could i have gotten a bum srarter,? after it sits for about 10-15 minutes boom,starts right up.Im really dumb founded,any ideas.??.

I have the same problem, heat soaked starter.

--Mike

could It be a bad starter,its a brand new POWERMASTER HIGHTORK.

Are you running headers?

Don't turn the engine off unless you know you'll be wherever you stop for 15-20 minutes. If you can abide by that rule, or at least make it a goal, then you'll be okay. The 400 block gets very hot during the summer, no way around that fact.

Try this: Get the biggest battery you can find, at least 1000 CCA. Then use 1 gauge battery cables for both the + and - cables. NAPA had 1 gauge 60-some inch long cables.

To some degree, the starter on my '68 has turned slowly when very hot for most of it's life. Occasionally it was so severe that it wouldn't turn at all, then I would use Nashville's remedy. Some owners use heat shields between the starter and engine.

Yellowtail,

My engine was also done by Butler - a 400 but kept the stock crank. New pistons, rebuilt 62 heads, etc. I am running long branch exhaust and stock starter w/heat shield. My engine temp stays around 200-210 most of the time. I am running an old, generic battery with stock cables and do not have any "hot start" problems.

Are you running headers? I don't think you have a timing problem since it will start back up after sitting (cooling off) for awhile. It sounds like a "hot, dead soak" issue. Lots of heat transfering from the engine to the starter when you shut it down. I am not sure that having the high torque starter will eliminate this condition. What about others running this type of starter - did this starter eliminate this problem?

Tom

whenever you change from stock to modified;you will invarably incounter overheating and reliability problems.that is what i have seen.

Jim, I added the heat shield this winter after installing the headers and new x-pipe exhaust. The starter is way too close to the tubes, so I added the heat shield. It has never NOT started, but there have been many times where it started very slowly. She's never let me down, but she does let me know when she's hot! Hence, the 15-20 minute rule.

Put a heat shield on it and that should solve your problem.
I wouldnt throw more money at the problem with batteries and starters untill you have ruled out heat soak with the shield.
My .02

I had the same symptoms with my newly rebuilt engine. The problem went away after a couple thousand miles. Go to autozone and get a high tourque starter they are not much more $$ than a reguler starter there is a slight diferance in them but I can't remember (something about where the terminals are)? You might have to work with them to figure out which one is high tourqe I don't think there books list them like that. I have a heat sheild but that just covers the solenoid it didn't solve the problem when the motor was new. Also change the oil frequently during the break in period. Pete

Sorry, missed the part about the high tourqe starter. It should go away when the motor is broken in. Pete