As I said before, I personally didnt have any problem with Tamraz's parts, pricing or delivery, however, I source other vendors due to several complaints [minus people that threaten people because of car parts] that I have heard over the last year plus. Not as if an ebay rating means anything to me but I disagree with their policy and perhaps by going elsewhere Marc will change his policy. If not, I am sure he will still do fine as a business, but with limited or none of my business. Just my decision and thats all that it is. I perfer one vendor over the other for whatever reason. Oh, and acutally, I would rather give the business to Marc since he is local but I dont due to his ebay policy and other consumer complaints.
Finally got this figured out. Ok first for you Jim, I have been a member here years longer than you, I just don't post here much, just the email list. I own a 68 firebird as well as a 86 turbo buick so duh yeah I am a member on both sites. The only one following anyone I would say is Marc. We had a problem the other year with Marcs feedback policy which if you read all the posts he has made he still will not change that at all so if you get a bad part, etc and leave neg then they SURE will put it to you. The 155 negs he has is only a drop in the bucket as most were removed by ebay for him and goofbay.com will show you with them leaving over 1500 negs you think only 155 people gave them negs as well?? I Think not. When I first sent this to the list about the problem on the buick board it only had 3 posts, NOT the blow up it is now. I was watching out for OUR members here. I have gone out to help guys here over and over again and very GLAD to do it. What have you done lately? The NUDE photos he says are on toms site are nothing but a lie and a way to make someone look bad. Look at the site again to see, his DAUGHTER is giving him a thumbs up for buying his car and only a nasty person would twist that around to use like that on here. I had no intention of starting this much drama but since you thought I was a newbie on here I wanted to set the record straight to you! All that was wanted to start with was him to examine his feedback policy and take care of his customers. Thats it man!! I don't think that was to much to ask for myself as I have lost money on a job before but I got it back ten fold by word of mouth and repeat buiness. Now as for Tom, yes he said things wrong for sure and being mad when he did it just added fuel to the fire but it sure was strange we never heard of him on the buick board OR here until someone had a problem then BAM here he is. I totally understand damage control and I don't blame him a bit but the thing with the nude pics [ as he put it ] would have really ticked me off as well. So they have now both said things wrong. This has really blowed up and it was not meant to be brought here like it was. I simply wanted the guys to know that we were not the only ones that had problems with tamazr's feedback policy! Jim, you standing up for your friend Marc is what friends do as I would also but be sure to know the whole story before you start saying I joined this site just to have long ranting posts as you put it. Maybe you should read my post kevin sent in for me again. If you think that is ranting then you must have a very sheltered life bub. I was just saying my piece, nothing more , nothing less take care Daniel Ray
Ok Daniel, I'm only posting this because you brought me back in.
Quote; "Ok first for you Jim, I have been a member here years longer than you, I just don't post here much, just the email list"
OK Good! What is the point?
Quote; "Jim, you standing up for your friend Marc is what friends do as I would also but be sure to know the whole story before you start saying I joined this site just to have long ranting posts as you put it. Maybe you should read my post kevin sent in for me again. If you think that is ranting then you must have a very sheltered life bub."
I did not know Marc until yesterday. Like I posted, I have bought many parts from his company and it's been 'ALL GOOD'. I highly respect any members opinion AS LONG AS IT IS RELEVANT. The only problem I had with any post in this thread is if they were made without any business experience with Tamraz. This is a very serious matter and a VERY SERIOUS category to be posting in. Like any other good board, comments made here, in this category should strictly involve business experiences and real dealings. I have had real experiences with the company, have you? If so, then talk about that. Let's all talk about what exactly happened when we dealt with TamRaz. Tell me why this is wrong?
I like things simple. Laugh at that if you want but it makes things easier.
There are only 4 members opinions here(in 5 pages) that actually talk of dealings with Tamraz: 1. Davids69bird- POSITIVE 2. KevenYoung- NEGATIVE 3. Catalina- POSITIVE 4, fbody69- POSITIVE
Sorry if I missed anybody but this thread is so muddied up that it's real hard to find the transactions in it. Remember, I'm a member too and I have had business dealings with Tamraz and I have just as much right to post here as the other three that have.
I stand corrected. Excellent point, Bjorn. To date, everyone has received what they paid for, it is the feedback policy that is the real problem. I bet we can all agree that if Tamraz shot each buyer a POS after paying this would be a 'non-issue'.
OK Good! What is the point? When another decides he can let things go and then posts for someone who isn't a member then it shows a concerted effort to make a business look bad. That was the point to let you know that I was and have been a member here , a lot longer than you I might point out. I also did not mean to bring you back in as you put it. I was responding to YOUR post so you came back in on your own bub. As far as dealing with tamazr , I wanted to but after the way kevin was treated I declined and dealt with year one, ames, etc without any problems and have always been treated with the upmost respect from them. When I had a part wrong or bad they made it right , right away so I am happy dealing with them now. I highly respect any members opinion AS LONG AS IT IS RELEVANT ok now for this one, you must not have been here very long or you would know that this is one of the most family oriented sites there is on the net period!! I have talked with kevin many times over the years and reguard him as a very good friend so when he was treated badly it was just as personal to me as it was him so yes it became relivent to me as well. Maybe you have no good friends so you don't get it?? If you had listened to him instead of hanging up you would have understood that the other day. Yes this is serious but since you wanted to hammer me without knowing me then I felt it was only fair to let you know I was not following sites as you said. The whole thing blowed up due to the feedback policys and it should have been handled diffrently on both sides, as I said before it was only the first couple of posts that I sent a link to before it all blowed up and got ugly. like I posted, I have bought many parts from his company and it's been 'ALL GOOD'. I am glad you have had good parts from his company and hope you continue to, but your not the only one buying and not all have had the same service it would seem. We all know that you can't please everyone all the time so some bad feedback is to be expected but fairness is expected as well. Thats all that was wanted on here to start with was the feedback policys they have to be reexamined. I do NOT want mark out of buiness at all either, its great to see someone carrying our parts but I don't want to feel like I am being help hostage to see if I leave good or bad feedback before I get mine. If I buy, pay fast, then my end is done. Postive feedbac period!! My end would be done once I paid in a timly manner. If I buy and drag my feet paying or do not pay at all then I should get a negative for it!! Thats all that was wanted and thur all the posts they still will not say they will even consider changing it when it is clear they are in the wrong on this. Once or if they change their policy on this then yes, I will buy from them and do so gladly, until then I will continue with the other vendors out there which is my choice to do so. Marc also said it is a childish issue of who leaves feedback first. If so then what would be the big deal with leaving feedback first to your buyers that paid in a timly manner? They did their job right? Thats what the big beef here was period so you tell me why that is so wrong? If you want to contiue this feel free to email me personaly. I am not here to hammer marc at all, just to ask them to consider changing their ebay policys, its pretty clear that you are here to defend him so maybe we both need to bow out of this whole mess. Daniel Ray
Now that is simple and sweet! If Kevin and Marc can agree I bet we are done here. Beats the heck out of what happened on the other board. Let the end justify the means.
..snip... To date, everyone has received what they paid for, it is the feedback policy that is the real problem. ...snip...
good parts, orderly shipping seems to be correct...feed back was the discussion (on this board), and lets keep it there....Marc will make his mind up how to deal with it, all we can do is voice our opinion ....
Hi everyone, What a week it has been. At some time when my head is clear I promise to write a letter. It may be long because at times I don't know when to shut up and have been accused many times in my life of having diarrhea of the mouth, LOL. For those of you who have not been following what is going on with my company on the Buick site go and read it. I really tried to make good with Mr. Burnette but unfortunately we are are at a stalemate. I have read every post here and am sorry if i am causing members to have words with each other, that was never my intention. Very soon i will inform this board of our eBay policy regarding feedback. I am in the process of making final changes. Thank You Marc Tamraz's Parts
Marc Tamraz, Owner Tamrazs Parts Discount Warehouse
Hi everyone, What a week it has been. .....snip..... I have read every post here and am sorry if i am causing members to have words with each other, that was never my intention. ...snip... Thank You Marc Tamraz's Parts
Dont worry about THAT Marc, thats life, we`ll survive, thats like siblings fighting! We`re a good family here.... .....hope you will get everything fixed, ...and....maybe even the feed back...
I just ordered $1540 bucks worth of body parts for my 68 firebird. I will update you with my results.
they have a 99.4 rating, 153 negiatives a year compared to what, 12,000. thats awefully GOOD customer service in my opinion.
Perhaps .6% of the people out there are unreasonable people. IT would be my guess. I'm sure if you call them names its not going to help your cause. I didn't make the order off of ebay, I called them directly.
AND if Tarmraz reads this, my order is coming to Raleigh. make it a good one OK
eBay policy does allow sellers to withhold feedback until after buyers post feedback. However, just because it is allowed by policy does not mean it is good business practice, or that it is right, or that it does not influence buyers to leave good feedback in order to get good feedback.
There are many sellers out there who operate like this, and many do proclaim it in their ads. Here is one:
2ndturn
WE WANT POSITIVE FEEDBACK! We will always do what ever we can to make this a POSITIVE experience for both you and us. Please be sure to read ALL the listing details before bidding.
WE LEAVE POSITIVE FEEDBACK WHENEVER WE RECEIVE IT. WE LEAVE NEGATIVE FEEDBACK FOR NON-PAYING BIDDERS OR IF NEGATIVE FEEDBACK IS LEFT FOR US.
Last edited by Yellowbird; 10/05/0602:09 PM.
Vikki 1969 Goldenrod Yellow / black 400 convertible numbers matching
Pete and I don't worry, we go right to the source. Why get ePay in the way, I say? 1-800-442-4601 (Within the United States) 1-630-904-4500 (Outside the United States)
I bet Pete gets good parts, there was NEVER a problem (on our site) with parts, the only discussion HERE was about feedback... and as Vikii states there are a few others that do the same....I wont buy from them either....when someone states that up front that You as a buyer need to give feedback first...something is rotten in Denmark..., it makes you feel like you`ve been taken hostage... I leave feedback on my buyers AS SOON AS they pay me...the way it SHOULD be...yes, I may take the chance of them leaving me bad feedback, but thats life....you cant always be on the controlling side.
not that I dont speed on the freeway , but try this one:" officer , I cant see why I`m getting a ticket , all these others speed too"...lol
on these parts you DO have a choice ,and if you feel you get great service and parts from Tamraz because you phoned in , great...buy there...I could probably do that too...but I wouldn`t buy off EBay with that policy.....
Bjorn, I don't leave feedback for sellers unless they leave me feedback first. 8 out of my last 10 transactions on eBay went without any feedback given either way. That's because the sellers didn't leave feedback for me. They were all great deals that I couldn't get anywhere else but eBay. Now, if I were to say,"I'm not buying from any sellers that do not leave feedback" then I would be the loser in the deal. Think about it, it's very prevalent on eBay to avoid the feedback.
Jim ,we may differ on that point ,and its a valid point you make...BUT I have not had any problems with my feedbacks , as a buyer or a seller (so far)...I only have about 180-190 responses (actually more, but some from multible deals) , but a solid 100% positive (so far...)
If I were to buy something from You and You state up front: "I will not give feedback until you give me positive..." I would be leery dealing with you... I`d be wondering: "why"?
Maybe the fact that Tamraz has 6610 items on eBay right now might help explain the reason? Imagine the work you had with the number of seller auctions that you ran. With that in mind, imagine 6610 of them at once. It would be hard for a seller with this many auctions to add the personal touches that you put into yours. And with the 'odd ducks' on eBay, they took a 'shot-gun' approach that would cover everybody. Imagine on Monday morning having to write 6000 feedbacks!
Bjorn, You are a tough nut to crack. Maybe if I site some real life experiences that we have both had. Remember, I'm writing this with a smile. Follow this: There is this buyer. Lets call him Ron. He buys this used steering column off eBay from a seller, we will call the seller Terry. Terry's column is in fine used shape. Ron just needs the collar off it because his car was a column shifter now switched to floor shifter. Ron destroyes the used column he bought from Terry. Ron is one of those odd ducks that will pull out a hair in a restaurant and put it on his burger after he eats half and starts screaming about the hair. You know, so he can get his money back and another free burger. Well, Ron tells Terry in an email that he's going to need another column because the one he was sent is junk. Terry knows better and decides to make his stand, here and now, against this BS. Ron leaves Terry the most terrible feedback he has ever read! Terry, being the people loving dude that he is, has already left Ron gleemingly positive feedback because he leaves it right away when he gets paid. Can you see that Terry may have left feedback a little prematurely? Is the sale complete before the buyer tells the seller that he/she is satisfied? When you were in the car business, was the sale complete when you got paid? Did you make up your mind about the sale when the buyer handed you the check? Or, could you rate the sale better after you presented the car and had a chance to hear any concerns?
~ WE LEAVE POSITIVE FEEDBACK WHENEVER WE RECEIVE IT. WE LEAVE NEGATIVE FEEDBACK FOR NON-PAYING BIDDERS OR IF NEGATIVE FEEDBACK IS LEFT FOR US.
I would not buy from a seller publishing this policy. And I won't knowingly buy from any seller whose unpublished policy it to post retaliatory feedback when a customer posts a negative experience. If I buy from a seller and get bad service such as the part was not really in stock when auctioned (and not noted as such) or arrived a month late, I should be able to post a negative stating the facts and no negative is appropriate in retaliatory response.
Jim ( I `m smiling too now..), I understand perfectly, thats a great "made up " story...lol But, thats the chance you take by being amongst the living.... you cannot hedge for any unforseen situation that will or wont happen....I choose to "do the right thing" and if someone screws me , I will try to let people know the story . You cannot go around life expecting everyone to screw you.... "do unto others as you want them to treat you" or something like that..... then you pick your friends....
I think I would trust anyone on this site, (maybe I could run into a bad apple, but lets hope he`s gone!) until they prove me wrong..... have done it before, I`ve even sent out 'some' items before I got paid , and so far, touching wood, nobody disappointed me... great community here on fgf!
Bjorn Quote: "You cannot go around life expecting everyone to screw you...."
On eBay, you had better!
Another Bjorn Quote:"do unto others as you want them to treat you" or something like that"
Of course. I don't see how this applies specifically here(on this post) more than anywhere else.... Of course I would invite others to do as I do...That's what giving advice is all about(or should be)....
another Bjorn Quote:"do unto others as you want them to treat you" or something like that"
Of course. I don't see how this applies specifically here(on this post) more than anywhere else....
applies to feedback (as I see it)...give it as you receive your part or the money ,as soon as the other persoin has fulfilled hs/her obligation(s) ,you post that.....not waiting to see if he/she is not satisfied with the part... jmho
Posting that in the first place points to a double standard that someone would want something different than what they give. No double standard here. I don't get upset when I don't get positive feedback right away from a seller.
I dont understand..... I dont get upset if I get feed back or not....I will still give feedback.... lets say I sell a used door glass on EBay , someone uses BIN, and I get my money... I will then post positive feedback ,"that this buyer pays on time" or something to that effect...then I`ll send it out...if he wants to give feedback he will, it can be 1) part came in , as described, well packaged or 2) part came in , damageed in freight or 3) Part did not arrive or 4) part came in ,was badly scratched , not as described
etc ,etc...none of those have anything to do with his paying on time or not...he still fulfilled HIS obligation ,which is what MY feedback should be about... its not like: I`ll wait to see if he gives me bad feedback because he a) screwed up the part while installing or b) found a scratched piece of glass ,not as described, (my fault)
and when he is not satisfied with my part , I tell the world he`s a scumbag.....
here`s my feedback as received : Feedback Score: 188 Positive Feedback: 100%
Members who left a positive: 188 Members who left a negative: 0
and when he is not satisfied with my part , I tell the world he`s a scumbag.....
Who does this? I didn't believe this to be the issue. I thought this thread was about something else entirely; Tamraz's feedback policy(and others like it). I didn't realize Tamraz did this or I wouldn't defend the position. Did they do it?
Here's a link to Tamraz feedback left for others. I don't see anything like that happening, at least not in the last 200. EDIT 1000 and got tired of looking,LOL.
and when he is not satisfied with my part , I tell the world he`s a scumbag.....
Who does this? I didn't believe this to be the issue. I thought this thread was about something else entirely; Tamraz's feedback policy(and others like it). I didn't realize Tamraz did this or I wouldn't defend the position. Did they do it?
No I didnt say Tamraz did...I was first initially only talking about Tamraz and their policy, I thought You got off the subject, and I responded, this was about an "imaginary person"....but Tamraz leaves "that option" open...what they DID DO ,( not Marc nor Gina , but their employee), was to call Kevin a "moron" on the phone when he wanted a positive feedback without having left his positive first....
we can continue this debate forever ,not that I think we`ll get anywhere...I think we can just agree to disagree....
Bjorn Quote: ...what they DID DO ,( not Marc nor Gina , but their employee), was to call Kevin a "moron" on the phone when he wanted a positive feedback without having left his positive first....
You know this as fact? I've talked with Kevin on the phone and I wonder....
Bjorn Quote: ...what they DID DO ,( not Marc nor Gina , but their employee), was to call Kevin a "moron" on the phone when he wanted a positive feedback without having left his positive first....
You know this as fact? I've talked with Kevin on the phone and I wonder....
Not sure where you got off subject ,maybe I misunderstood.... and Re Kevin ..yes, and I have spoken to Kevin many times, on phone ,in emails, in person ,and I dont wonder
