This 67 has the 3HF but it doesn't have the hood tach.
H=WHAT????
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1967...hZ005QQcategoryZ6420QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Options:
Passenger side mirror
Rally II
Rear antenna
Console
Deluxe interior
Dash grab bar
Rally gauges

List the options from other 3H cars, let's figure it out.
Car that started the debate


FGF member car:


eBay old listing:


another old eBay listing:



How about the second trailing arm? Nope, that doesn't fit the 326 2bbl car. All the cars with PHS info show Rally Stripes. This is, of course, not conclusive. Anyone else have a '67 with 3H on the trim tag and a copy of the PHS?

I think Q's car doesn't have the rally stripes.

nope it doesnt, but I also think his car was repainted at least once before he got it....we`re talking about the black one ,right?

No, the red one. It was ordered with stripe delete, even though it is a Sprint.

Yes. I remember you commenting that your 3H didn't have a stripe.

Yes But the F stands for a 400 cid car...

The long-running question is what the H in group 3 represents. It would be easy to eliminate what it does not represent, if we had enough body tags and corresponding PHS packets.

It most likely represents a body piercing or welding, such as rear speaker, rear defroster, antenna, console, second trailing arm, hood tach, dual exhaust, etc. Certain items can be eliminated because they have other codes on the tag. The trick is to find one item that is consistent regardless of configuration and we now have 400s, 326s, Sprints, automatics, and manuals bearing the 3H code.

It used to be thought that 3H meant Sprint, but as soon as 3HF cars were documented it was clear that 3H could not mean Sprint, as there is no such thing as a Sprint 400.

yes and only in 1967 cars

Only 67s have the option codes on the body tag, so that is all we can compare.

didn't I just say that

Howdy
Here's my guess. If all the 400 cars have H could it stand for the extra heavy duty springs since all 400 cars came this way and was a option on the others.

Not all 400 cars have H. In fact, very few have it. You could still be right because the way the factory code works. Some cars may have the option H but not have it on the tag. That's what makes it so hard to figure out. The assembly line codes changed from plant to plant, day to day. The only thing you can count on is that if the tag does have an H, that car will have option H.

I disagree with the "randomness" of the tags, Jim. Although there were some minor variations between plants, we are currently comparing only 1967 LOR cars. The line workers don't create the tags, they are manufactured and applied in an orderly fashion. It would be pointless to have options on a tag if they did not correspond to anything in a predictable manner.

In the database there are three 04A, an 04B, an 05A, an 06A with 3H codes. Those that were omitted I do not have an option list for.

Yes, the line workers do create the tags. The jobsetter made them and sometimes the foreman didn't even know about the change in a procedure right away. The highest paid hourly worker is king of a line. The lines were/are always evolving. If someone has a good idea it gets implemented. These days you get paid for a good idea like coding a tag to save time. Here is a known example of a line evolution in the same era: For example, for only half the year GM put certain codes on 69 Camaro trim tags. These were X codes. Very similar to the 3F code on a Firebird. By 1970, they quit doing it. To further complicate the X codes, only one plant did it. The other plants had their own codes that meant the same as the X code. But not all the cars at the other plants got the 'like X' codes. Their codes also were only used for a short time frame so there are many cars without codes. And to even further complicate it, one particular X code could mean more than one style trim.
On a Chevrolet new car lot in 1969 you could have two identical 69 Camaros that had different codes on the trimtags. More likely would be one of the two twin cars with a code and one with no lower codes at all. It is entirely possible that these two twin cars could have been manufactured at the same plant just days apart.

Why is there not a transmission option listed on the cowl tag..IE 1967 Firebird vert in Michigan.

All of the 7 67's I have owned without the HF option have had the transmission option listed.

If there are several documented and verifiable "3HF" PHS cars out there, and they can be verified..It is either a mistake in the sprint option to be latter fitted with a 400 due to demand, an error or some option thet "NOBODY" knows absolutely nothing about...including Jeff Dennison and Jim Mattison. Maybe the guy stamping the cowl tags was transfered from a GTO assembly line and screwed a few of them up in the process...

I pee my pants with envy all those who are so determined to beat this dilemma to such a unidentifiable pulp.

I would go out and spray some more noxious weeds in the cracks of my driveway, but alas winter is upon us.

I threw the no trans option in to throw a few off..I know it is there.

A "Charlie Brown Christams" is on ABC...Let's all rejoice and take a break.

Which reminds me...

Someone needs to contact John Schuch...last known address Framair@aol.com

He was doing the registry.

If anyone knows the answer, and really wants a definative answer to this query, I suggest contacting him directly, or contacting Geoff and have him contact John. I believe he still lives locally...in Highland MI.

You neglected to point out one very, VERY important piece of data, Banshee my dear friend!!

What ....channel is the Charlie Brown Christmas Special on?

Your ABC channel in Rock City, or my ABC channel here in Nashville? Saaaay...who's that guy in the tree?



If I miss this I'll never forgive you.

Well, not until next year of course.....but I digress....

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/e...item=200055316071&fromMakeTrack=true

Here is another

I would assume the H or F would be in option group 54 (powertrain) Not having a body broadcast sheet or key leaves no answer. Since H is in option group 49, maybe if that group is identified, may help.

Look at the broadcast sheet..upper right corner.

HFB 8H

Reads Engine Cyl. 8 Option H

Air cleaner, dual stage heavy duty?

Just guessin'

Nice car! I see that '8 H' in the engine boxes on the broadcast. My 69 400 has '8 D' there. Could be the answer. What would the difference be is the question?
Could be air cleaner. You would think that it would be something a little more important at assembly. It should be something that isn't included in the 400 package.

As far as I know, the pancake air cleaner was part of the "appearance" chrome package. Could have been a different air cleaner assembly offered. That car was sold in Birmingham MI and looks original.

The heavy duty air cleaner was an option from what I seen in the list. Could have been a different, larger or thicker element.

Who knows...

I think I have it...

H Hydromatic...Th400.

A 400 could have been ordered with a Powerglide???

8 H V8 Heavy Duty Air Cleaner
8 D V8 Dual Stage Air Cleaner

Makes sense. There would be enough different on a car with a 400 auto that it would be worth coding for the line. Only problem with that theory is there are some 67 400 cars with 400 trans that do not have the H on the tag. It could have been a temporary code. A code used only for a few weeks or months. Are these cars in a tight date group?

Oh yeah, I saw a freakin FH with a 4 speed!

I think you had it pegged with the 8 H on the broadcast sheet. We need some input from Q on this. He has that Sprint with the H. He was sure it was the hood tach. Now that we disproved that, what's he think it is?

It's not the trans. Both 4 speeds and autos have the code. 230, 326, 400.

Column 49 on the master order sheet is 491 Rally Stripe, 492 Rally Stripe delete, 494 dual horn.

It may be a hood tach...it does read
Engine
CYL OPT
8 H

In that same highlighted box there is a HFB in boxes 123.
What is written there? TRANS

Then it could mean dual horn...but my 67 has duals on it...but no HF. My 67 326 HO that Derrick bought from me had duals and no MH

Anyone have a clear copy of a broadcast sheet they can email me? t_grzywacz@hotmail.com

This is the car that made the hood tach being the H questionable;

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1967...hZ005QQcategoryZ6420QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

I have a 69 sheet but they are a little different.

You have evidence of a 326 with the H? I thought it was just the Sprints and 400 cars?

True, but look at the front end...was involved in a collision at some time. Bumper is wrong, body panels dont line up, look at the gaps between the X panels and hood latch assembly. Look at the gaps between the core support and the X panels.

The hood is a replacement as well as the bumper.

not air cleaner, that's column 65. Column 35 does have a tach.

There you go then. It could still be the hood tach. I would like to get a look at the wiring and see if it still has the hood tach wiring present.

Jim, On that Maize vert, look at picture 5. Look at the gap between the bumper and hood...difference (gap) between passenger side and drivers side is evident.

The rust on the bumper and hood matches the condition of the entire car, so maybe it was front ended a long time ago and replacement hoods and bumpers were picked up at junkyard or dealer. They cut the holes for hood tach and bumper crests on the assembly line.