thanks Wade...yeah , I might, doubt it wiull be this spt though..very busy here...But it sounds like you guys all around LA shoul be able to get a local group going... I`m just back from Shiner ,Tx...we met up with some guys from Austin ,tx there, and one almost local guy , only 8 birds ,but still, fun trip...about 2 hr ea direction...'country roads', one of our members on this trip grew up in LA