hey john thanks for all your help you have been wonderful! i plan i bolting my brakes on my car real soon i will tell you how everything works out. oh by the way do you know where to get the gasket to the backing plate? and did you notice that "RightStuff" has the 4 piston rotors for $59.00 as apposed to classic industries price of $119.00 i went this weekend to buy the rotors from them and after seeing the "RightStuff" price i am going to return them. And both Classic Industries and RightStuff rotors are made in canada.