I for one still prefer the 'tech help', seems to excactly what its suppposed to be. The firebird e-mail list ( I have only seen a few so far ),seems more complicated , I seem to heve some problem figure all that outand has a lot more than the tech help. Personnally I like a tech help specific page. Easier to go to for help , erather than sifting thru lots of 'talk'. But to ea. his own. I will continue to look at this spot daily! Bjorn