I copy and pasted from a post I had in another forum. Any help to get intouch with the right people would be great.
For almost 20 years now, we have owned a 1967 Pontiac Firebird that is the first ever to be built. And have all documentation proving so. Approximately 15 years ago, we acquired the second 67' Firebird to ever be built(including documentation). They are both numbers matching cars, with basically all their parts, but do need full restorations.
I know so much more information is needed, but just looking for any info on value or who to get in touch with about value of these cars.
Any response is appreciated!
Thanks, Shaun
Well, I didn't have time to get pics around today, but I did get the entire VIN and body tag info of both cars. Build dates for both are 2nd week of December 1966.
#223677U100001
12B ST 67-22667 LOR SHOW1 BODY TR 258-A R2 PAINT L2MSR 4F
and
#223377U100002
12B ST 67-22637 LOR SHOW4 BODY TR 259-B P2 PAINT XL2XGS 4F
#223677U100001 _________________ 1967 Pontiac Firebird V8 Convertible This car was the 1 made at the Lordstown, Ohio plant. ______________________ 12B ST 67-22667 LOR SHOW1 BODY TR 258-A R2 PAINT L2MSR 4F ______________________ 1967 Pontiac Firebird Convertible with Custom Trim Option The paint was Regimental Red with Black convertible top. The trim color and material were Medium Red Custom Option Vinyl This car has the Fisher Body Unit Number 0 built in the 2nd week of December at the Lordstown, Ohio plant.
Five Group Accessory Codes ( L2MSR 4F ): 1st Group (digit not shown) No Accessories in this Group (or No Codes Entered) 2nd Group L .... 4-spd Manual Transmission Floor Shift R .... Rear Seat Speaker S .... Rear-mounted Manual Antenna 3rd Group No Accessories in this Group (or No Codes Entered) 4th Group F .... Outside Remote Control Mirror 5th Group No Accessories in this Group (or No Codes Entered)
BODY BY FISHER 12 B ST 67- 22667 LOR SHOW1 BODY TR 258 A R2 PAINT L2MSR 4F GENERAL MOTORS CORPORATION CERTIFIES TO THE DEALER THAT THIS VEHICLE CONFORMS TO ALL FEDERAL MOTOR VEHICLE SAFETY STANDARDS APPLICABLE AT TIME OF MANUFACTURE.
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#223377U100002 _____________ 1967 Pontiac Firebird V8 Sport Coupe This car was the 2 made at the Lordstown, Ohio plant. ________________
12B ST 67-22637 LOR SHOW4 BODY TR 259-B P2 PAINT XL2XGS 4F ________________ 1967 Pontiac Firebird Coupe with Custom Trim Option The paint was Silverglaze with Black vinyl top. The trim color and material were Black Custom Option Vinyl This car has the Fisher Body Unit Number 0 built in the 2nd week of December at the Lordstown, Ohio plant.
Five Group Accessory Codes ( XL2XGS 4F ): 1st Group (digit not shown) No Accessories in this Group (or No Codes Entered) 2nd Group G .... Console L .... 4-spd Manual Transmission Floor Shift S .... Rear-mounted Manual Antenna 3rd Group No Accessories in this Group (or No Codes Entered) 4th Group F .... Outside Remote Control Mirror 5th Group No Accessories in this Group (or No Codes Entered)
BODY BY FISHER 12 B ST 67- 22637 LOR SHOW4 BODY TR 259 B P2 PAINT XL2XGS 4F GENERAL MOTORS CORPORATION CERTIFIES TO THE DEALER THAT THIS VEHICLE CONFORMS TO ALL FEDERAL MOTOR VEHICLE SAFETY STANDARDS APPLICABLE AT TIME OF MANUFACTURE.
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Are you thinking of seling these or is this a valuation exercise for maybe insurance purposes? When you say you have all documentation are we to assume that includes PHS? Personnaly, I think the first firebird ever produced would need to go to auction to get a good feel of what it's worth. First year and first one produced... that's pretty cool. What did you pay for it 20 years ago?
But there is a datapoint out there - an early 67 Camaro (not the first one, but the body # was 00001) sold for $100K at B-J. The car was fully restored. 7N100001 Camaro has been found and I think it sold. It was a chopped up dragcar - no info on the price.
Pretty cool. A bit more info would be appreciated; I'm sure there a good story there! How does one person get the first AND second Bird ever built in posession?
I wouldnt hold my breath on this one... I think it might be a joke. Guy posted same topic on a couple other forums that generated same questions and requests for pictures but didnt produce. Kinda reminds me of the recent test car claim. It would be cool story though if true.
Amazing how some people have so much time to waste...
Unfortunatly, they waste everyone else's time along the way as well.
Bjorn, time to delete another user!
I used to be indecisive. Now I'm not sure. I feel like I am diagonally parked in a parallel universe. 1968 400 convertible (Scarlet) 1976 T/A - 455 LE (No Burt) 1976 T/A New baby, starting full restoration. 1968 350 - 4 speed 'vert - 400 clone (the Beast!) 1968 350 convertible - Wife's car now- 400 clone (Aleutian Blue) (Blue Angel) 2008 Durango - DD 2008 GXP - New one from NH is AWESOME! 2017 Durango Citadel - Modern is nice! HEMI is amazing! 1998 Silverado Z71 - Father-daughter project 1968 400 coupe - R/A clone (Blue Pearl) (sold) 1967 326 convertible - Sold 1980 T/A SE Bandit - Sold
I would love to restore these cars, but I don't know I that's going to happen. That's why Ive posted in this forum and have been trying to get in touch with people to figure out pricing.
So, ultimately, they will be sold and hopefully someone restores them.
Thanks for posting those pics of the vin #'s. I recommend you not restore these. Whoever buys these cars will either want them in original state or a 1000 point restoration. If you did pay for a restoration, there is nothing to say you would make a profit on that investment. If you haven’t registered them with PHS, do so. No one will buy these cars for their historic relevance without authenticating documents. This site has more knowledgeable people and documentation of FGF's than any other site and a great place to be posting. PY might be another site to generate excitement in the Pontiac community. You would undoubtedly receive a lot of responses. Creating a buzz in the pontiac community that these two cars might exist and be for sale is a good start to marketing. Proof needs to be established soon though (PHS). Good step posting the vin # pictures. Of course these are just my opinions. I'm sure others will chime in.