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Have a 67 bird numbers on motor block left side of waterpump on block are 0176218 under them is YY is motor a 400, or 428, or 455,
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428 has a 428 cast in the side of the block between the frost plugs.
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Have a 67 bird numbers on motor block left side of waterpump on block are 0176218 under them is YY is motor a 400, or 428, or 455, You need to see what the casting date is. That is behind the distributer. There was. YY in 67 that was a 428 and a YY in 73 that was a 400 and a YY in 74 that was a 455 all automatics.
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You need the casting number and two letter code to positively identify a motor. The casting number is on the rear passenger side of the motor below the back of the head (or for very early 67 and before, near the distributor) http://www.teufert.net/pontiac/page2.htm
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pass/side has numbers on block below head 1026 out from that is letters D N drivers side has numbers H286 out from that is letter N has 6x on heads
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Check the casting number. It's hard to get to with the hood on unless you stick a camera back there and snap a photo.
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what are the numbers for on pass/side back of motor down low,
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will take hood off to see numbers, thanks
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Just use your cell phone and snap a pic.
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it is 1973 400 YY found 400 on block, is this a good motor
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Year Engine HP Engine code Trans CR Cam Head Code BBL Carb No. Misc 1973 400 200/230 HP YY A 8.0 066 4X 1-4 7043262 Block Casting # 481988 Unitized Dist http://www.wallaceracing.com
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I also found block casting code on back of motor right above oil filter that is 500557 can not see numbers at dist/pad, can this be a 76 not a 73 motor
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Yep, It's a 76 185 hp. Not a very desirable block but as long as you do not race it it should be fine under 400 hp if you build it.
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Join the club  .... looking at comments on the web, certainly seems the 500557 aint the pick of the litter.
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Yep, It's a 76 185 hp. Not a very desirable block but as long as you do not race it it should be fine under 400 hp if you build it. My Sprint will beat that.
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Your Sprint will probably beat alot of the V8s around.
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The mid 70's blocks should be no problem for building a moderate horsepower motor, just not a race engine, from what I've read. The bigger issue might be the motor mount holes. They changed the motor mounts from two bolt to three bolt in 1970. The early 70's blocks have all five holes and some of the mid 70's blocks do to. But there are some mid 70's blocks with only the three holes so you need an adaptor to bolt it up to an FGF.
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A 73 block will be just fine.
The nickle content (strength) was gradually lowered over time as HP numbers decreased. Rated at 185 HP, the block is not the reason its rated as such. The reason for HP ratings is mainly found in the heads with the secondary being the cam.
You could take a set of #16 1968 360 HP GTO heads (incidentally only 330 HP in a Firebird) with a cam swap and have a 360 HP block. The reason pre 71 blocks were so desirable was that the net HP ratings were usually (and actually) off by upwards of 25% , thus the increased nickle in the block to offer a "margin of erro.r"
Would a 73 block suffice at 400 plus HP? absolutely.
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A 73 block will be just fine.
The nickle content (strength) was gradually lowered over time as HP numbers decreased. Rated at 185 HP, the block is not the reason its rated as such. The reason for HP ratings is mainly found in the heads with the secondary being the cam.
You could take a set of #16 1968 360 HP GTO heads (incidentally only 330 HP in a Firebird) with a cam swap and have a 360 HP block. The reason pre 71 blocks were so desirable was that the net HP ratings were usually (and actually) off by upwards of 25% , thus the increased nickle in the block to offer a "margin of erro.r"
Would a 73 block suffice at 400 plus HP? absolutely. Additionally, the 500557 block has lighter webbing between the cylinder banks... decreasing its strength. However, it is widely agreed that these blocks will easily support a 500HP street machine. My 2 cents... ...and if anyone is interested, I have a 500557 block available.
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What is the date code on the block by the distributor? It will look like something D126. Also their is probably a partial VIN down lower on the block next to the timing cover. See what that is also. It can tell you what the engine came out of. 
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This is what's in my 68...
Year Engine HP Engine code Trans CR Cam Head Code BBL Carb No. Misc
1967 400 265 HP YD A 10.5 254 143 1-2 7027061 A/C Block Casting # 9786133
What's the verdict on these?
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I have a 69 Firebird where the previous owner changed the engine. They put a 1976 400 in it. Has anyone else done this or heard of any one doing this and are you aware of any fit issues? Is the 76 Engine physically larger?
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I have a 1976 (500557, date D056) in my 67 and it fits fine.
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All Pontiac V8 engines, with exception of the crappy 301, basically share the same engine block. Differences are crank journal and bore sizes.
Late 70's blocks do not have the motor mount holes tapped for 1st Gen Firebirds. They make adapter plates.
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Put a 1977 557 block in a 67 bird using the adapter brackets they sell. One small snag was one of the bolt holes in the block was not drilled and tapped to attach the new adaptor.
I have my own way around using these adaptors that don't always work.
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On the front I have 0276694 WT, On the back I have K208 and 9790071. From what I found its a 68 400 WT 360hp made on November 20 1968. Is that correct? I was told it possibly came out of a GTO.
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K should be October they skipped I. So, October 20, 1968. I'm seeing that it could be a 350 HP GTO engine as opposed to the 360 hp. Either way, yes should have been out of a GTO.
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Can anyone tell me what E075 means? I got that block sold as a 400. But the E seems to me, it's a 76' 350!
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It's fine! The block has the number 500557, what means, it is a 400 from 76!
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In 1971 all manufacturers started making lower HP motors just by changing the heads, they increased the area above the pistons raising the cc numbers and that lowered compression ratios from 10.75-1 to 8-1 or so. They also ran lame cams unless you had a HO, trans am, etc.
You could easily make this motor scream by changing the heads and cam, just don't push it, unless you're balanced etc you shouldn't push any V8 past 5000 unless you have lots of cash to blow on another engine. You could easily get this motor in the 350-400hp range with tons of torque.
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The actual motor size will be the same often done as many original engines were raced, blown up or just worn out over the years.
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