Hi All, I'm trying to justify spending the $80 or $100 for the literature these folks provide for our cars. From the sample documents I see online,it appears everything you'll get we can get for free on here, in our forum. Options for that year, seats, engine numbers, dealer invoice "samples" blah, blah. Do you actually get anything that pertains to your car specifically? Like what dealership sold my car or was it delivered to, original order forms or build sheets and who bought it, etc. Maybe I'm expecting too much, or am misinformed what your'e actually getting. Any feedback here would be appreciated.
True there is also a lot of boilerplate information but the heart of the PHS is the billing history for your specific Pontiac. It shows the dealer code, invoice dates, price, and the codes , as ordered, for the color, trim, options ordered..... Here's an example on HaroldB's site: https://www.firebird400ho.com/billing-history/
You are getting the actual build information specific to your car, from day 1 in the factory. Engine unit number, options, all the information that would prove how your car came from the factory. The dealer code is on there, you would have to cross reference that to other information on this site. (I think there are still a few dealer codes that have been lost to time, at least the last time I looked) due to dealers that closed many years ago. You do not get the car's build sheet, those would originally come inside the car somewhere, and may have been discarded (or made fine mouse nests) in the past. In my opinion, the rarer the car, the more valuable it is. It is awesome to have a service like PHS for our 'birds. Chebby' does not have anything like that, thus there are thousands more Z28's around today than were ever built, and hard to prove which are which. Tough to prove your 'bird is an ultra rare, R/A 4 car when the PHS shows it was a 350 automatic.... I remember back about 6-8 years that there was a guy on this site trying to sell his '69 'ultra rare '70 concept car' when the PHS proved it was a standard 350 coupe in a lovely brown color!
I used to be indecisive. Now I'm not sure. I feel like I am diagonally parked in a parallel universe. 1968 400 convertible (Scarlet) 1976 T/A - 455 LE (No Burt) 1976 T/A New baby, starting full restoration. 1968 350 - 4 speed 'vert - 400 clone (the Beast!) 1968 350 convertible - Wife's car now- 400 clone (Aleutian Blue) (Blue Angel) 2008 Durango - DD 2008 GXP - New one from NH is AWESOME! 2017 Durango Citadel - Modern is nice! HEMI is amazing! 1998 Silverado Z71 - Father-daughter project 1968 400 coupe - R/A clone (Blue Pearl) (sold) 1967 326 convertible - Sold 1980 T/A SE Bandit - Sold
Like 68 said, it’s not really a necessity but nice to have. I’ve owned my 69 for over 50 years now and have never ordered mine. I believe I know how the car was ordered some I wouldn’t expect any surprises. My wife has offered a few times to buy as a gift and I told her it would be a waste. Now I did order the one on the 67 I bought a couple of years ago Because I may want to sell it at some point and i wanted to confirm that it was originally an HO car. And also to make sure all the original options were still on the car. Any can have been changed or gone missing after 50 years of multiple owners.
If you weren't the original owner, or had access to the original owner, I would say it is a must. In my case my father-in-law was the original owner so I had I very good idea what was what... And I still found the information from PHS valuable. So my vote would be to do it. It isn't really expensive and then you have that documentation forever.
I've got it for my GTO but not my Firebird. But on my Firebird I have the original window sticker, original POP and one of the broadcast sheets. I don't see much point in purchasing it for my Firebird because of all the original docs I have.
PHS sheet adds to the facts. I've got the broadcast sheets, the original dealer invoice, the other owner's title copy, all the stampings match, and I STILL bought the PHS because I just think its cool to have so many cross-referenced details about the car that you can tell a viable and honest story about it. After all, so much of this love of ours is the nostalgia of the era and the world back then, right? This was the time of Apollo, Woodstock, and so much (yes, sometimes very sad) history. You know how you can "hear the ocean" in a shell? I can feel the sixties inside the 'Bird...
'68 400HO Coupe, 4 spd, 259 interior, Windward Blue. My other car's a Johnson 15 outboard on a '61 Starcraft rowboat... Just sayin'.