I'm sure the parents were and are still heart broken.The car was given to there son, he had the car for about a year,survives the accident and goes to the Army.His father builds a shed around the car with only a walkin door, I'm thinking that he'll let the son decide what to do with car when he returns.The son never made it home,and the car sat all these years.His mother and father are still living.Just maybe, I can restore it in time, so they can see it the way I hope they remember seeing there son in it. Yes,it is a treasure.Plans are to bring her back to the beauty she once was with all new body panels.
Roderick, would it be possible for you to look and find the elusive 5th dust sheild? No one else has been able to come up with anything and your treasure may be able to answer the location question.
It's hard to tell in the pic, but is the steering wheel NOT cracked around the collar?
Good luck on the resto. It looks like it will be a challange.
Please post more pictures if you can. Engine pics from the other angles would be helpfull(without the air cleaner).
Thanks,
Tim
68' Firebird 400 convertible, numbers matching, solar red w/ deluxe parchment interior. 66' Pontiac Ventura Hardtop 66' Pontiac Catalina Convertible
Anything can be fixed with the right talent and enough money. The car is hurt bad. Even so, now that the cars are valuebal enough and the mileage is low enough, it might be a cost effective repair. However, I wouldn't get my hopes up because there is serious strcutrual damage, and it will take a talented frame man to do a correct repair.
I had worked alongside many talented persons who could make the repair, so it can be done. The problem is that I don't think it will be a cost effective repair, even with the low mileage.
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> I wonder what the insurance settlement was on it 37 years ago? I would think that if it was insured, it would have been totaled yet they kept the car. </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">this is curious to mee too, seems like they must have had the car insured, if totalled and the ins paid out, ins co wouldnt let them keep it ,would they? sounds a little fishy to me...
They didn't have to have insurance back than. Many people paid cash for their vehicles and did not finance, so their is a chance their was no insurance.
68' Firebird 400 convertible, numbers matching, solar red w/ deluxe parchment interior. 66' Pontiac Ventura Hardtop 66' Pontiac Catalina Convertible
Catalina , sorry I dont know HOW I did that... I was going to copy and quote, got your reply edited instead! really sorry...
heres my post, removed / moved: Catalina, I `m not agreeing... "back then" , I had to have insurance ,but of course I financed my car....even though they migt "only" have been $3500-4000 new , that was more in those days (1968)for a car than a $20,000 car today.....not so sure about "many people paid cash"....lots did finance...I remember most doing so, I and a few others were appalled when a 30 yr old "widow" came in and wrote a check for a 68 M-B 250 SL, $7500.....( I was hanging around my dads dealership) actually there was so much financing going on that when my Swedish friend (mechanic ,just got here ,and was used to pay cash from living in Sweden)bought a very nice stereo system , about $200 worth ,at K-Mart , they asked for ID (to pay cash) thats how unususal it was..... Bjorn
No problem Bjorn It did confuse me a bit. Copy your text out and I can delete it. (or you can, oh mighty admin )
I realize that if you financed something it needed insurance. However, I would still say a majority of the cars were not financed in 1968. I tried to look up some statistics on it, but could not find anything of value.
According to the inflation calculator (http://www.westegg.com/inflation/), a $2,800 car in 68' would cost $14,939.04 in 2005 dollars.
I would suspect a car in the same performance range today would cost 30K plus.
/threadjack
68' Firebird 400 convertible, numbers matching, solar red w/ deluxe parchment interior. 66' Pontiac Ventura Hardtop 66' Pontiac Catalina Convertible
Cat, I will...but didnt want to do it before you saw what I did ,b/c there will be "evidence", theres` always going to show a "this post was edited by..." etc.. and.... </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">According to the inflation calculator (http://www.westegg.com/inflation/), a $2,800 car in 68' would cost $14,939.04 in 2005 dollars. </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I have a hard time to beleive it...a Volvo in 1968 was $1800+- for the 122 model...= sim to the 240 DL in 80`s which in the 80`s was 18,000+_
a 68 $7500 MB 250 SL , comp. model today , the SLK ,is what? $40,000?
My car went through an engine fire and the ins co totaled it years ago. The pay off was $2200 and I was able to buy the car back from them for 1/4 or 1/3 the cost of the settlement(can't remember). So it's possible.
In Michigan, if totalled by insurance, it would have a totaled/red title. You used to be able to get a green title after inspection but they quit doing that.
I know you can "buy them back", I once bought a "totalled" 1972 Volvo 145 from the ins co, they had it sitting at our body shop, didnt want it, was estimated to cost $1900 to repair (this was 1983)and was "worth" acc to books about $1500... so I asked if I could buy it..."sure , just pay us the wrecker bill, its yours", so $45 later I owned it... bought $300 worth of used parts, fixed most of it myself (this is during my 2 mo "education" at the body shop), prepped it for paint , had our guy spray it , $800, had basically a new car for $1150....engine was in good shape , only had 85k on it , barely 'run in' for a Volvo...kept it two years, sold for $2000....
I,ve decided to sell her,my wife tells me to finish the convertible before taking on another project.Can't argue with that and the fact that she says nothing about each month card statments,the guys that know use tell me all the time,that I've got the best car guys wife,sorry that's another topic.Taking offers.If you would like to own this time capsual PM your offer.Giving everyone here a chance,if not here she's going to ebay.Thanks guys for all the input.
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">You were right on the money Nash,good eye!!</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Johnny Mac,just curious what's that all about.
Rod, we discussed what a challenge it'd be to rebuild this car from the body and frame perspective. I was pretty sure it'd be a bridge too far for most folks. Keep us informed on bids here, would you?
'68 428 HO M3 Monster, 4-on-the-floor! Need I say more?
now that I suddenly can see the pictures , the red x`s are gone....it looks like very nice seats, horn button, carpet...but its going to need a whole lot of sheet metal...maybe some frame work......but since its so "new", = little miles on it , could be worth it....
I think the car's biggest value is as an archival research project. If you were within 100 miles or so I would come and document every inch of what remains. Unlike most archaeological and preservation projects, this research will be non-destructive.
Would you be willing properly document it? Starting with the VIN and body tag, tire sidewall info, rim codes, labeling and photos of the hoses, detailed photos of the tire inflator, seat belt tags...in other words, everything. Good daylight photos of the paint and stripe colors, if you can find a broadcast sheet above the glove box or under the rear seat or passenger seat (likely places) the data would be invaluable. I can provide free webspace for the images and data.
I know you are soliciting offers, but perhaps a better way to get them would be to provide an asking price.
Vikki 1969 Goldenrod Yellow / black 400 convertible numbers matching