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Re: Bird Glass!!!!! BamaBird68 #75150 02/10/07 03:23 AM Joined: Mar 2004 Posts: 11,905 Michigan Yellowbird Valued Mentor Yellowbird Valued Mentor Joined: Mar 2004 Posts: 11,905 Michigan That's a silk screened bird. The photos are not the greatest, but good enough to show how clean the image is. If original, the photos don't show it well, the edges of all the white/black should be very sharp and clean. Chemically etched or sandblasted will feel eroded, be duller gray in color, and will gray more when wet. Reproduction painted or screened will not be as perfect as factory. Decals are decals...you can find the edges. Vikki 1969 Goldenrod Yellow / black 400 convertible numbers matching https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=2013168131146&l=a52249adda 1968 Meridian Turquoise / Dark Turquoise 400 4 speed convertible Restoration Gallery http://thefirstgensite.com

Re: Bird Glass!!!!! Yellowbird #75165 02/10/07 10:59 AM Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,521 Massachusetts 6 67 Firebird 400 Member 67 Firebird 400 Member 6 Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,521 Massachusetts Here are a few pics of my 68 with bird glass that I added. when I bought this car the glass was in the trunk wraped in a blanket. http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2204453 I don't hate the rich, I don't pity the poor.

Re: Bird Glass!!!!! 67 Firebird 400 #75166 02/10/07 11:02 AM Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,521 Massachusetts 6 67 Firebird 400 Member 67 Firebird 400 Member 6 Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,521 Massachusetts While looking for these pics, I came across this one, I had no idea it had snowed that much! and it was 7+ feet high against the door! http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2204453 I don't hate the rich, I don't pity the poor.

Re: Bird Glass!!!!! Fbody69 #75191 02/10/07 01:29 PM Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,521 Massachusetts 6 67 Firebird 400 Member 67 Firebird 400 Member 6 Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,521 Massachusetts It was the drift....I actually had to let it cave in and re shovel it!!...That was 3 seasons ago. NO snow yet this year....Just COLD ! http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2204453 I don't hate the rich, I don't pity the poor.

Re: Bird Glass!!!!! Fbody69 #75205 02/10/07 02:26 PM Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 783 Munich, Germany Thomas Brandl Member Thomas Brandl Member Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 783 Munich, Germany 68 Bird with bird glass 03B 17543 68-22637 259 LOR F-F (now painted Mayfair Maize) Thomas My german 68 Firebird website

Re: Bird Glass!!!!! Banshee #75219 02/10/07 04:34 PM Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 1,417 Whitby, Ontario, Canada P pedlondarite Member pedlondarite Member P Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 1,417 Whitby, Ontario, Canada Originally Posted by Banshee Originally Posted by pedlondarite I have the bird glass. I'll give you the entire top row from the tag: 68 22637 LOR 13024 30D The date on cowl tag is the first line. Example 04D,12C,01A Banshee, Just went to the garage now...mine is 01A. Mark 68 Firebird 350 auto (sold) 70 Trans Am RAIII 400 4-speed (sold) 2011 Challenger SRT8 IE392 6-speed (sold) 2017 Challenger Hellcat 1966 Dodge Coronet 440

Re: Bird Glass!!!!! BamaBird68 #75231 02/10/07 05:11 PM Joined: Jan 2006 Posts: 9,027 Langley, BC, Canada Dave's Langley '68 Droptop Power Member Dave's Langley '68 Droptop Power Member Joined: Jan 2006 Posts: 9,027 Langley, BC, Canada Vicky, I was just thinking it would help determine blocks of time that bird glass was not installed, effectively narrowing down the block(s) of time it was. David 68 Droptop 400 4 spd. http://www.flickr.com/photos/daves68droptopbird/sets/72157602364392289/ "It's a sin to squish old tin!" I can resist everything except temptation

Re: Bird Glass!!!!! Dave's Langley '68 Droptop #75232 02/10/07 05:13 PM Joined: Jan 2006 Posts: 9,027 Langley, BC, Canada Dave's Langley '68 Droptop Power Member Dave's Langley '68 Droptop Power Member Joined: Jan 2006 Posts: 9,027 Langley, BC, Canada 12C or about 55F here today, garage door open and enjoying my bird building session in the sun! Feels like 65F+ in the sun... Last edited by Dave's White Rock '68 Droptop; 02/10/07 05:13 PM. David 68 Droptop 400 4 spd. http://www.flickr.com/photos/daves68droptopbird/sets/72157602364392289/ "It's a sin to squish old tin!" I can resist everything except temptation

Re: Bird Glass!!!!! Dave's Langley '68 Droptop #75301 02/11/07 01:27 AM Joined: Mar 2004 Posts: 11,905 Michigan Yellowbird Valued Mentor Yellowbird Valued Mentor Joined: Mar 2004 Posts: 11,905 Michigan The sample population of "no bird" glass would certainly be higher, but it would be harder to track bird/no bird and come up with solid results. Does anyone have uninstalled bird glass? There should be manufacturer codes that can't be seen when installed. Last edited by Yellowbird; 02/11/07 01:28 AM. Vikki 1969 Goldenrod Yellow / black 400 convertible numbers matching https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=2013168131146&l=a52249adda 1968 Meridian Turquoise / Dark Turquoise 400 4 speed convertible Restoration Gallery http://thefirstgensite.com

Re: Bird Glass!!!!! Yellowbird #75303 02/11/07 01:44 AM Joined: Mar 2004 Posts: 3,323 Cambridge,Ont.,Canada blk68firebird400ragtop Senior Member blk68firebird400ragtop Senior Member Joined: Mar 2004 Posts: 3,323 Cambridge,Ont.,Canada Terry has a set i believe.I'll see if i can come up with an email i replied to with the info on a set i had sold.I'll also check my pictures and see if i took a pic of the codes. David http://FirstGenFirebird.org/show/closeup.mv?CarID=571 If i don't get this car back on the road soon i'm gonna go postal! On a quest for FGF knowledge 1968 Pontiac Firebird Convertible 1969 Oldsmobile Cutlass "S" Convertible *Sold*

Re: Bird Glass!!!!! Yellowbird #75326 02/11/07 04:18 AM Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 636 Shreveport, La. C CDJr Member CDJr Member C Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 636 Shreveport, La. Mines uninstalled, Vik...Ill climb up in the attic and re-organize stuff so I can get it down and see what I can find.

Re: Bird Glass!!!!! CDJr #75328 02/11/07 04:51 AM Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 636 Shreveport, La. C CDJr Member CDJr Member C Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 636 Shreveport, La. Otay, its definitely PPG...what codes should I be looking for?

Re: Bird Glass!!!!! CDJr #75350 02/11/07 01:26 PM Joined: Mar 2004 Posts: 3,323 Cambridge,Ont.,Canada blk68firebird400ragtop Senior Member blk68firebird400ragtop Senior Member Joined: Mar 2004 Posts: 3,323 Cambridge,Ont.,Canada Could not find any info i had in my files.I have the pictures but no way to enlarge them enough to see them.I should have taken the trim tag off the car i stripped them from I sold them to a gentleman in Tiverton,Ontario ? i think.I wonder if he is on this site (i believe i directed him here)and if he had yet to install them as he mention his car was in pieces in his basement. David http://FirstGenFirebird.org/show/closeup.mv?CarID=571 If i don't get this car back on the road soon i'm gonna go postal! On a quest for FGF knowledge 1968 Pontiac Firebird Convertible 1969 Oldsmobile Cutlass "S" Convertible *Sold*

Re: Bird Glass!!!!! blk68firebird400ragtop #75352 02/11/07 01:28 PM Joined: Mar 2004 Posts: 11,905 Michigan Yellowbird Valued Mentor Yellowbird Valued Mentor Joined: Mar 2004 Posts: 11,905 Michigan Any markings on the glass would be helpful. Thanks! Vikki 1969 Goldenrod Yellow / black 400 convertible numbers matching https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=2013168131146&l=a52249adda 1968 Meridian Turquoise / Dark Turquoise 400 4 speed convertible Restoration Gallery http://thefirstgensite.com

Re: Bird Glass!!!!! Yellowbird #75384 02/11/07 04:04 PM Joined: Jan 2006 Posts: 9,027 Langley, BC, Canada Dave's Langley '68 Droptop Power Member Dave's Langley '68 Droptop Power Member Joined: Jan 2006 Posts: 9,027 Langley, BC, Canada I have one still out of mine but the only other marking i can find is "Safety Flo-light Solid Tempered" and it is pretty light/hard to see. It's def. a silkscreened baked bird and am confident it is original. David 68 Droptop 400 4 spd. http://www.flickr.com/photos/daves68droptopbird/sets/72157602364392289/ "It's a sin to squish old tin!" I can resist everything except temptation

Re: Bird Glass!!!!! Yellowbird #75386 02/11/07 04:14 PM Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 783 Munich, Germany Thomas Brandl Member Thomas Brandl Member Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 783 Munich, Germany Took some pictures before I disassembled my windows for replating the door window plate and roller set (then discovered a complete door glass mounting plate and hardware set at Rick´s First Generation...). Other than the screaming chicken I haven´t noticed any other markings but I can controll them next week for a second time... (Sorry folks, this will take some space now...) Thomas My german 68 Firebird website

Re: Bird Glass!!!!! Thomas Brandl #75391 02/11/07 04:56 PM Joined: Mar 2004 Posts: 11,905 Michigan Yellowbird Valued Mentor Yellowbird Valued Mentor Joined: Mar 2004 Posts: 11,905 Michigan See how the glass bottom is curved/coved? That's the 2nd style glass. Vikki 1969 Goldenrod Yellow / black 400 convertible numbers matching https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=2013168131146&l=a52249adda 1968 Meridian Turquoise / Dark Turquoise 400 4 speed convertible Restoration Gallery http://thefirstgensite.com

Re: Bird Glass!!!!! Yellowbird #75394 02/11/07 05:20 PM Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 636 Shreveport, La. C CDJr Member CDJr Member C Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 636 Shreveport, La. Ya, mine is flat on the bottom. I also discovered a heavy scratch in it where it evidently rubbed against something, and its right where the code is. But I can see this much.... Soft Ray Safety PPG Flow AS-2 Solid Tempered M27.8

Re: Bird Glass!!!!! CDJr #75397 02/11/07 06:34 PM Joined: Nov 2006 Posts: 29 E estep455 Member estep455 Member E Joined: Nov 2006 Posts: 29 here is the info off of a set of bird glass i have for sale.PPG SAFETY FLO-LITE AS2 26107 SOLID TEMPERED M208. Do not know any thing about the car they came from hope it helps. I will get the info off of my car it has bird glass and is original,will post it later.

Re: Bird Glass!!!!! Fbody69 #75433 02/11/07 10:15 PM Joined: Nov 2006 Posts: 29 E estep455 Member estep455 Member E Joined: Nov 2006 Posts: 29 here is the info off of my 68. 05A 68-22637 LOR 20460 255 D-5. window info with bird glass tinted. soft ray AS2 26117 M278. hope that is what you needed.

Re: Bird Glass!!!!! 67 Firebird 400 #75439 02/11/07 10:43 PM Joined: Mar 2004 Posts: 11,905 Michigan Yellowbird Valued Mentor Yellowbird Valued Mentor Joined: Mar 2004 Posts: 11,905 Michigan The "add it where it isn't, because it's cool" attitude is exactly why a project like this needs to be done. I've already drawn a couple of conclusions from the sampling so far that surprise me. And with enough data, those cars that have had the glass added should be able to be filtered out. Keep it coming! Vikki 1969 Goldenrod Yellow / black 400 convertible numbers matching https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=2013168131146&l=a52249adda 1968 Meridian Turquoise / Dark Turquoise 400 4 speed convertible Restoration Gallery http://thefirstgensite.com

Re: Bird Glass!!!!! Yellowbird #75441 02/11/07 10:49 PM Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,521 Massachusetts 6 67 Firebird 400 Member 67 Firebird 400 Member 6 Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,521 Massachusetts Originally Posted by Yellowbird The "add it where it isn't, because it's cool" attitude is exactly why a project like this needs to be done. I've already drawn a couple of conclusions from the sampling so far that surprise me. And with enough data, those cars that have had the glass added should be able to be filtered out. Keep it coming! Vikki I am sure you are aware that Factory Options are added to these cars all the time...Yes bird glass is cool...How do you expect to determine where the bird glass ORIGINALY came from I personally think GM used a different manufacturer for a short period of time and they could have also made Camaro glass at the same time for GM and they (the manufacturer) put the bird in the glass for their reference. Your thoughts on this? http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2204453 I don't hate the rich, I don't pity the poor.

Re: Bird Glass!!!!! 67 Firebird 400 #75443 02/11/07 10:53 PM Joined: Mar 2004 Posts: 11,905 Michigan Yellowbird Valued Mentor Yellowbird Valued Mentor Joined: Mar 2004 Posts: 11,905 Michigan Not to worry, the glass has characteristics and codes that can potentially stand out as not original. Of course options are added to cars that did not have them, and removed from cars that did. PHS can filter those. Glass with an emblem does not appear on the Billing History, so it must be discovered through other means. Both of those theories are unworkable. Vikki 1969 Goldenrod Yellow / black 400 convertible numbers matching https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=2013168131146&l=a52249adda 1968 Meridian Turquoise / Dark Turquoise 400 4 speed convertible Restoration Gallery http://thefirstgensite.com

Re: Bird Glass!!!!! Yellowbird #75450 02/11/07 10:59 PM Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,521 Massachusetts 6 67 Firebird 400 Member 67 Firebird 400 Member 6 Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,521 Massachusetts Vikki the "where did bird glass come from" is a question that has never been answered before.....I think it will be very hard to find out...BUT good luck. http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2204453 I don't hate the rich, I don't pity the poor.

Re: Bird Glass!!!!! Yellowbird #75455 02/11/07 11:19 PM Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 262 Birmingham, Alabama BamaBird68 Member BamaBird68 Member Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 262 Birmingham, Alabama Here is the info on my glass. Bottom of glass is flat. Safety PPg FLO-LITE AS-2 26 117 Solid Tempered M20.8 Kerry 69 Firebird Coupe

Re: Bird Glass!!!!! BamaBird68 #75458 02/11/07 11:39 PM Joined: Mar 2004 Posts: 11,905 Michigan Yellowbird Valued Mentor Yellowbird Valued Mentor Joined: Mar 2004 Posts: 11,905 Michigan Thank you! Nailed the codes...need more samples. Glass codes sought, please, along with build dates and assembly plant. Last edited by Yellowbird; 02/11/07 11:44 PM. Vikki 1969 Goldenrod Yellow / black 400 convertible numbers matching https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=2013168131146&l=a52249adda 1968 Meridian Turquoise / Dark Turquoise 400 4 speed convertible Restoration Gallery http://thefirstgensite.com

Re: Bird Glass!!!!! Yellowbird #75459 02/11/07 11:47 PM Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 262 Birmingham, Alabama BamaBird68 Member BamaBird68 Member Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 262 Birmingham, Alabama 11C (3rd week of November at the Lordstown, Ohio plant) 345, 355, 361, 37H, 382, 424, 463, 472, 481, 534, 544, 621, 702, 71M, 72C Kerry 69 Firebird Coupe

Re: Bird Glass!!!!! BamaBird68 #75464 02/12/07 12:17 AM Joined: Mar 2004 Posts: 11,905 Michigan Yellowbird Valued Mentor Yellowbird Valued Mentor Joined: Mar 2004 Posts: 11,905 Michigan Thanks! Let's see if this new, handy form works... http://thefirstgensite.com/birdglass.htm Vikki 1969 Goldenrod Yellow / black 400 convertible numbers matching https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=2013168131146&l=a52249adda 1968 Meridian Turquoise / Dark Turquoise 400 4 speed convertible Restoration Gallery http://thefirstgensite.com

Re: Bird Glass!!!!! Yellowbird #75465 02/12/07 12:21 AM Joined: Apr 2000 Posts: 7,407 Detroit Banshee Power Member Banshee Power Member Joined: Apr 2000 Posts: 7,407 Detroit Thanks for the info..just what we need. I'll have my Bird glass information tomorrow, as well as a spare set that came from my friends 68 with PHS and cowl tag dates. Si Vis Pacem Parabellum 1967 Starlight black PMD Engineering 400 Auto 1968 Alpine Blue 400 4 speed 1968 Verdoro Green 400 HO 4 speed 2013 1LE 2SS/RS Inferno Orange Camaro.

Re: Bird Glass!!!!! Banshee #75469 02/12/07 12:43 AM Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 636 Shreveport, La. C CDJr Member CDJr Member C Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 636 Shreveport, La. Ahhhh, so that giant scratch on my drivers side glass is covering the 5-digit code. If I get the passenger side down and get it, will it be the same code?

Re: Bird Glass!!!!! CDJr #75474 02/12/07 12:49 AM Joined: Apr 2000 Posts: 7,407 Detroit Banshee Power Member Banshee Power Member Joined: Apr 2000 Posts: 7,407 Detroit Should be the same code if original. If replaced or replicated at some point, no problem. Si Vis Pacem Parabellum 1967 Starlight black PMD Engineering 400 Auto 1968 Alpine Blue 400 4 speed 1968 Verdoro Green 400 HO 4 speed 2013 1LE 2SS/RS Inferno Orange Camaro.

Re: Bird Glass!!!!! Bjorn Sefeldt #75508 02/12/07 01:15 PM Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 636 Shreveport, La. C CDJr Member CDJr Member C Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 636 Shreveport, La. Otay, I cleaned off the passenger side glass and found this.... Soft Ray Safety Flo Lite PPG AS-2 26107 Solid Tempered M27.8

Re: Bird Glass!!!!! CDJr #75525 02/12/07 03:35 PM Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 262 Birmingham, Alabama BamaBird68 Member BamaBird68 Member Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 262 Birmingham, Alabama Found this article on a camaro site, it's not about the bird glass but does explain some codes. http://www.camaros.org/glass.shtml Kerry 69 Firebird Coupe

Re: Bird Glass!!!!! BamaBird68 #75531 02/12/07 05:19 PM Joined: Mar 2004 Posts: 11,905 Michigan Yellowbird Valued Mentor Yellowbird Valued Mentor Joined: Mar 2004 Posts: 11,905 Michigan Let's get back on track... Please submit glass codes here, bird glass or not. Please indicate whether or not this is bird glass with the appropriate button. http://thefirstgensite.com/birdglass.htm Thank you. Vikki 1969 Goldenrod Yellow / black 400 convertible numbers matching https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=2013168131146&l=a52249adda 1968 Meridian Turquoise / Dark Turquoise 400 4 speed convertible Restoration Gallery http://thefirstgensite.com

Re: Bird Glass!!!!! Yellowbird #75567 02/12/07 07:49 PM Joined: Jun 2000 Posts: 20,054 Houston, Texas ,US Bjorn Sefeldt Administrator Bjorn Sefeldt Administrator Joined: Jun 2000 Posts: 20,054 Houston, Texas ,US OK, No its NOT OK for Banshee to call you names either! Why cant we all just get along? Its not like some of us live in Bagdad? FireBjorn http://FirstGenFirebird.org/show/closeup.mv?CarID=221 69 convertible 400 (was 350) Natalie, SOLD 58 Alfa Romeo Giulietta Spider Veloce , Gina,(SOLD) 1974 Alfa Romeo Spider, Mrs Robinson 2011 Volvo C30 T5 , Victoria ,.....( or Vicky)

Re: Bird Glass!!!!! Bjorn Sefeldt #75576 02/12/07 08:01 PM Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,521 Massachusetts 6 67 Firebird 400 Member 67 Firebird 400 Member 6 Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,521 Massachusetts This track as quoted by banshee---"Not fishing here with extraneous posting. POST ONLY IF YOU OWN A 68 WITH BIRD GLASS". Now you change it to either bird glass or not??? And Jim and I get called names for "changing" his post? Vikki, you get what I mean. http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2204453 I don't hate the rich, I don't pity the poor.

Re: Bird Glass!!!!! 67 Firebird 400 #75582 02/12/07 08:22 PM Joined: Jan 2006 Posts: 9,027 Langley, BC, Canada Dave's Langley '68 Droptop Power Member Dave's Langley '68 Droptop Power Member Joined: Jan 2006 Posts: 9,027 Langley, BC, Canada Looks like this post is way off topic right now, we're freakin splitting hairs here. Vikki NOW has the vehicle to record the data (GREAT), Banshee perhaps could have done a better job of highlighting the criteria, and a few of us (myself included) probably strayed from the intended intent. Are some of you not getting any??? David 68 Droptop 400 4 spd. http://www.flickr.com/photos/daves68droptopbird/sets/72157602364392289/ "It's a sin to squish old tin!" I can resist everything except temptation

Re: Bird Glass!!!!! Dave's Langley '68 Droptop #75587 02/12/07 08:39 PM Joined: Mar 2004 Posts: 11,905 Michigan Yellowbird Valued Mentor Yellowbird Valued Mentor Joined: Mar 2004 Posts: 11,905 Michigan 10 pages, and FOUR submissions. Are there only four 'bird glass owners out there? Or only four 1968 Firebirds with window glass? I should talk...I have three and a guest, and haven't entered any of them either. Last edited by Yellowbird; 02/12/07 08:41 PM. Vikki 1969 Goldenrod Yellow / black 400 convertible numbers matching https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=2013168131146&l=a52249adda 1968 Meridian Turquoise / Dark Turquoise 400 4 speed convertible Restoration Gallery http://thefirstgensite.com

Re: Bird Glass!!!!! Dave's Langley '68 Droptop #75588 02/12/07 08:39 PM Joined: Jan 2006 Posts: 9,027 Langley, BC, Canada Dave's Langley '68 Droptop Power Member Dave's Langley '68 Droptop Power Member Joined: Jan 2006 Posts: 9,027 Langley, BC, Canada Read your recent post...thanks Vikki, normally in analyses like this if you include the "non-event" times, one can get a clearer picture of the start and stop of "event" times....that was all I was suggesting earlier on. David 68 Droptop 400 4 spd. http://www.flickr.com/photos/daves68droptopbird/sets/72157602364392289/ "It's a sin to squish old tin!" I can resist everything except temptation

Re: Bird Glass!!!!! Dave's Langley '68 Droptop #75589 02/12/07 08:43 PM Joined: Mar 2004 Posts: 11,905 Michigan Yellowbird Valued Mentor Yellowbird Valued Mentor Joined: Mar 2004 Posts: 11,905 Michigan I agree it may help. When doing manual data entry/tabulation it would have merely been additional workload; with the form it's no more effort to compare with and without codes. Vikki 1969 Goldenrod Yellow / black 400 convertible numbers matching https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=2013168131146&l=a52249adda 1968 Meridian Turquoise / Dark Turquoise 400 4 speed convertible Restoration Gallery http://thefirstgensite.com