Geoff, Would it be good to have a new category for all the firebird mysteries . as you know all 3 years have some unsolved codes or options. I wonder about 67 steering wheels (clear top) and codes 3HF or 3D and 68 Bird glass, 69- D-80 .If there was a category for each year it would help keep these questions up front and may help solve some. Thanks, Jim Goodrich
Thank you Jim and Vikki as I took your suggestion and created this section. I will leave this post as a sticky for a place for options to be suggestion for a topic to be created to be research.
I should note, right now I have limited to topic creation leaving replies open. The idea is to focus on one thing at a time for a period of time.
As always, thanks - Geoff
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Most of these research projects will entail you to look at your Body Tag and pictures of the different variances to determine what you have. Some other codes may be needed and will be described in its specific topic. Again, this will be fluid on how this goes.
I knew about the change in '68 as I have the finger pull on my '68 and seen the regular on another. Does anyone have pictures for '67 as I was not aware of it.
Vikki, You may be right. This car has clear top wheel and is very early build. Not it also has 3D code.(I don't have the vin.) Any one else have clear wheel with build date?
I had a brain teaser question about production series numbers on 69's. For example; How can two cars going down the same assembly line the same week jump over 5000 in series numbers? Normally they go in an orderly manor. To be even more specific, Vikki's car and mine were built the same week on the same line and the numbers jumped up over 5000 between us.
Yes, I saw that long ago when I was documenting my 1st gen Camaros. It's good that you bring this to the discussion because it's part of the puzzle. In the 1st gen Camaro documenting world they count on the series numbers being in line with the dates produced. In fact, when they run into two cars the same week with contradicting numbers there's suspicion that the trim tag has been changed and has the wrong series number on it. Both of our cars are highly documented and neither is suspect. Here's a link to the old thread that didn't get resolved: http://firstgenfirebird.org/ubb/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=64291&page=0&fpart=7
About a year ago, saw a show stating FB and Camaro bodies(not chassis)were painted on the same assembly line. Say it aint so! But that could be an explanation for vin # jumps.
Norwood ran two shifts, and produced 57 cars per hour, or 912 per day, and produced only the Camaro until mid-April, 1969, when the Firebird (previously built at Lordstown) was added to their mix.
Jim, I think I am confused, Were the cars you listed built in 68 for 69 model year.
On '69 the standard antenna was manual, front; the optional was power, rear. On '67 and '68 all were manual, front was standard, rear was optional, and different antennas were used for AM and for AM/FM.
Vikki 1969 Goldenrod Yellow / black 400 convertible numbers matching
I had one of those on my 67 that I sold to Pauly(member). It was a rear antenna. I thought it was rigged because I thought it was supposed to be power if it was a rear antenna. I might still have part of it.
This may have been covered but I made an observation this weekend on the different steering wheels in my two birds. The only interior difference other than the color is the wheel...AND... something I never noticed before. On the coupe with the "nice" wheel the dash pad has the deluxe chrome trim around the front. The vert with the standard wheel does not. I have these cars for so long that if I did noticed it before I'd forgot. Maybe that tim came with the wheel option difference?
Wanting a Custom fit in an off the rack world.
I don't have time for a job, I just need the money.
my 67 as the oringnal push button am radio with the optional manual rear antenna a $9.48 option
1967 firebird 1976 Trans Am 1979 TATA 1991 Trans Am GTA 1996 Trans Am convert(1 of 174 triple white) 2002 Trans Am Collector Edtion #1358 2008 G8 GT 1972 Chevy C/10
Hi, My Firebird has a VIN which says it should be a 1968 convertible, but it looks very much like a 1967 model (with vent windows and non-wrap-around lights in front). Has anyone heard about this before? Could it be a late year 1967 car, tagged as 1968 but build with 1967 specs? I don't have the other tag information yet since the car is being shipped to me at the moment.
The body tag info and vin tag info, compared to the hidden vins, will go a long way toward answering your questions.
It is not impossible; there were pre-release cars but they often never left GM. I had a 'Cuda that was titled as a '70 but was built as a '71 show car. Wish I had it now...
This may have been covered but I made an observation this weekend on the different steering wheels in my two birds. The only interior difference other than the color is the wheel...AND... something I never noticed before. On the coupe with the "nice" wheel the dash pad has the deluxe chrome trim around the front. The vert with the standard wheel does not. I have these cars for so long that if I did noticed it before I'd forgot. Maybe that tim came with the wheel option difference?
1st pic has the same dash pad and wheel my 1st 68FB had with std interior. 2nd pic looks like a wheel from a 60's PU truck.
I had a brain teaser question about production series numbers on 69's. For example; How can two cars going down the same assembly line the same week jump over 5000 in series numbers? Normally they go in an orderly manor. To be even more specific, Vikki's car and mine were built the same week on the same line and the numbers jumped up over 5000 between us.
Yes, I saw that long ago when I was documenting my 1st gen Camaros. It's good that you bring this to the discussion because it's part of the puzzle. In the 1st gen Camaro documenting world they count on the series numbers being in line with the dates produced. In fact, when they run into two cars the same week with contradicting numbers there's suspicion that the trim tag has been changed and has the wrong series number on it. Both of our cars are highly documented and neither is suspect.
On this production run topic, does anyone have any additional information on the Van Nuys cars? I've read several times that the model year was "18 months" due to the delay of introducing the 70-1/2 F-bodies, and that 69's "may" have been titled as 70's. Pontiac also toyed with the idea of adding some trim to the 69's and selling them as 70's to help get the cars off their lots.
To help move the slow selling 69's at the end of the normal 1969 model year, an announcment was made in March 1969 that all 69 Firebird sticker prices would be reduced by an average of $72. Items that were normally standard would now be optional. The Space Saver Spare was one of them, as well as certain lamp groups.
So the production run appears to have gone from September 26th 1968, through late December 1969. Pontiac sold 69 Firebirds until February 26, 1970. Jim McDonald (Pontiac General Manager) stated at a Fall 1969 preview for journalists that the 69 Firebird model run would be extended to December 1969, then the factories would be converted to 1970 model production. Now, the question is, what would the trim tag state when Firebird production ran over 1 year?
Example: A 69 Firebird coupe tag states 11A, how do you know if that was the 1st week of November 68, or the 1st week of November 69? Would these both have 69-22367 on the tag?
Jim, I was in a long debate several months ago about this very topic. Someone asked a question about the "bullet" mirrors (1970-up) being used on any late 69 Birds. No one had any hard proof they were. This was such a popular swap to do in the 70's, but it seemed like SO many 69's had them, people began to wonder if the Van Nuys plant perhaps began using the body colored bullet mirrors late in the run to "spruce up" the 1969's.
That opened up a possible theory that inventory was being stockpiled in Van Nuys for the 1970 changeover, and the mirrors could have been used on the 69's. This theory then got more legs when someone produced a factory photo of a 69 Firebird, with 1970 plates, and it had bullet mirrors.
This led to the question of what the actual production run was at Van Nuys, and what the last unit number was. Seems like there is very little info on the Van Nuys cars.
Well, this thread IS called "Firebird Mysteries", so I thought I would add to the mix.
Excellent. I had a late 69 Van Nuys car with the bullet mirrors. I thought I knew that they were not original but I had some doubt because the car was so original. The drivers side was remote and it seemed like it had never been off.
I was waiting for any evidence that the bullet mirrors may have come through on the late 69's produced out of Van Nuys, but no one has any proof (yet). I believe they may have been used late in the run, perhaps from March 69 forward.
It will be next to impossible to prove. I may have had the closest thing to proof. A 69 with a remote bullet style mirror that the interior door panel hadn't ever been removed since it was installed at the factory. It would have been quite the trick to install that mirror and fish the remote cable around through the door without taking the panel off. It's remotely(pun) possible but why wouldn't they take the panel off?
Thanks. I added the 666 car because it's a LOR Could you recheck those for me? It would fit better if it was an 11-D. The B does not fit the sequence. If 11-D it was very near mine.
I checked twice before posting, but it is a B. Which had me scatching my head a bit based on the list. I'll check once more tonight when I get home to be sure.
Negative, it is a B as in Boy. I checked the PHS documentation, and the car was shipped 11/22/68 to a dealership in Libertyville, Ill.
Oh, and the broadcast sheet also matches everything as well.
So, obviously it could not have been built after it was shipped. I'm not sure what that does to the numbers exactly and maybe it is an issue with paint, interior, etc... that leads to the funky numbering.
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The guy running the stamper needed bifocals. Kind of a crazy thought but if you really understand the process there would be 'stamp-o's' (like a typo) all that week then. He wouldn't have changed that group of blocks for the week. That must have been a strange week because it's the second anomoly in that week.
At pigeon Forge I saw two 68 birds that screwed up my theory on steering wheels and dash trim. Both were said to be original. The standard wheel car had the dash bead, the deluxe wheel did not. It makes no sense though, I'd think the deluxe wheel would have the bead and the standard would not. But... there they were.
The funny thing is neither owner even noticed they did or did not have it until I pointed it out.
Both my cars were base OHC 3 speeds originally with no options. Seems odd that the coupe had a deluxe wheel and dash. Only interior differences is the Vert has a floor shift, the coupe was originally a column shift. I found 2 build sheets in the coupe, one under the passenger seat, another under the rear, both in many mouse eaten pieces, haven't tried to reconstruct them yet. Would it be common to find 2 broadcast sheets?
Wanting a Custom fit in an off the rack world.
I don't have time for a job, I just need the money.
That's what is confusing to me. I have the deluxe, black plastic wheel on my car, but invoices say I shouldn't. Why would anyone remove the existing one and replace it with a cracked steering wheel? I was under the impression the wheels cracked soon after they were installed.
I doubt I could ever even find one of the wood ones to switch it out. Billing maybe wrong?
68' Firebird 400 convertible, numbers matching, solar red w/ deluxe parchment interior. 66' Pontiac Ventura Hardtop 66' Pontiac Catalina Convertible
My 68 H.O.(std interior) didnt have a glove box bird. Think my 67 w/std interior has one. Have to find the box...
OK, this one is aways in the back of my mind. The 67 has GM black steel open scoops. Not cut either. I'm the 3rd owner(75). 2nd owner claimed they were on the car when he bought it in 71. Sold the a/clnr and hood pans for a 66 tri-pwr, which was on the engine. Had the factory dual exhaust, but hedders from 2nd owner. The rear muffler was eliminated. Used the 2 resonators for mufflers. Over axle tail pipes. Didnt remember exh manifolds being unusual. You could tell something was previously mntd to the hood... Could of been added on between 67-71, but they were hard to come by even back then.
Mine is Oct 67 built: deluxe interior, with the original dash- I've got all- the glove box pull strap, the metal and black trim around the dash, and the bird on the glove box. No comfort weave, tho, b.t.w.
Ok here's a question on a billing history I got for a 1967 bird. There is a box for option 55 - power windows - and there appears to be a number 4 in the box although it is hard to make it out. The car does not currently have power windows but the interior is the correct original color. According to the list I have, a power windows car would have a 1 in box 55, not a 4. Trying to make heads or tails out of this one...why would it say it had power windows if it doesn't have them? So far, everything else on the sheet is correct. Thanks!
No trim tag info yet, have not seen the car yet. Just had owner fax me the phs sheet...car is at a mechanic so he can't get me the trim tag info at this time.
Hello, all. I'm looking for PHS copies from 1969 Firebirds that are equipped with either 400 HO or Ram Air III. If you can scan and email, post photos, or even just copy information verbatim it would be helpful.
Info that is specifically needed: Assembly plant Invoice date Complete text of option 348 line, including pricing, as printed Complete text of option 611 line if present, including pricing, as printed.
Thank you for your assistance, results will be presented once a statistically significant sample has been achieved.
Vikki 1969 Goldenrod Yellow / black 400 convertible numbers matching
Does anyone have a 1967 firebird assembly manual which gives diagrams and dates for parts changes? I believe John mention that Jim may have one but could not release it. Has it been released yet?
As many of you know, I've compiled a database of cowl tag/VIN info for 1967 Firebirds. I'd like to do the same with 1968, it's an invaluable resource for finding cars where the trim tag has been mismatched to the VIN tag and can also serve as a base for date-sensitive options such as Comfortweave vs. vinyl deluxe seat inserts and as an aid in decoding addtional trim tag codes.
No owner specific detail is requested or logged. Submissions from eBay are welcome as long as both VIN tag and trim tag are included. I would strongly prefer photos of the VIN and trim tags in order to minimize transcription errors and to log tag blank styles. If that's not possible, or if the photos are hard to see, please send the tag info in the email message. If you'd like to contribute but don't want to disclose your full VIN, feel free to ** out the last two digits or edit the photo to mask the last two digits.
If you'd like to contribute please email photos as attachments to yellowbird@thefirstgensite.com and put the subject "68 codes" in your email so that I can process them in batches.
Once a statistically significant sample is submitted, even 50 tags per assembly plant, I can answer inquiries as to approximate build date for a given VIN, or approximate VIN for a given build date. The more samples are submitted the more accurate the search. 100 well distributed samples can give a resolution of two weeks.
Vikki 1969 Goldenrod Yellow / black 400 convertible numbers matching
Not hijacking the thead--just a sidebar comment, seeking an answer; maybe a topic for a new thread. Why is it that lor is the main player at this board. Doesn't anyone have any los cars? Never hear one word about los built.
Hello Niki. If you have a "4" in box 55 - that would be 554 Custom option. Includes amongst other things the custom/deluxe interior. Pretty broad option and one of the best.
Each numbered box on the BHC has multiple possibilities - usually. 551 would be pwr windows. 554 is Custom. 555 would indicate pwr windows AND custom.
Hello FGF'ers. New member here. Having trouble getting posts to submit. I think this is fourth try and running out of options - I think. (lol)
Need help identifying an item on 68 Firebird Billing History Card. It is #742. Or a number 2 in the 74 box if you wish.
Trying to do documentation work on a 68 Ram1 and 68 Ram2 Bird. Both have the 742 listed. Can't find anything - anywhere - on 742.
It is a no-charge / standard / or inclusive item.
Thank you for any assistance you can provide in identifying this item.
Tried to start a new topic but was restricted. My apologies if this is a hijack.
Hello and welcome. One thing I can add is that it must not be an option exclusive to all 68 ram air cars because I have seen at least one billing history from a RA that didn't have the option.
The box "74" with a "2" in it is for an internal assembly operation on your vehicle and is not an option. I believe that "742" is the operation for installing seat or shoulder belts.
So the production run appears to have gone from September 26th 1968, through late December 1969.
Now, the question is, what would the trim tag state when Firebird production ran over 1 year?
Example: A 69 Firebird coupe tag states 11A, how do you know if that was the 1st week of November 68, or the 1st week of November 69? Would these both have 69-22367 on the tag?
Production continued to 11A (first week of Nov 69).
A Nov 68 car would be LOR or LOS. A Nov 69 car would be NOR. LOR had stopped production on March 15, 69. LOS stopped in May 69.
I know that eventually the link will go dead, so here's the text:
This 1969 Trans Am is a true barn find. It was found in a elderly couples' garage in 1988. It hadn't been driven since 1978. The odometer read 28,000 miles. This car was built in November of '69, the last week of production of the 1969 Firebird.
This could possibly be the very last 1969 Trans Am made. Because of the late build date, this car has the very rare and sought after Formula Steering Wheel. These Formula wheels were installed on Trans Ams starting in September of '69, so there are very few on 69 Trans Ams. Because this car was only on the road for a few years in the 70s, it was in amazing original condition. It still had all the original belts, hoses, cap, rotor, plug wires, tires and shocks.
During the restoration, everything was kept as original as possible. The interior is 100% original, even the carpeting. Other options that are shown on the PHS Documentation are 4-speed transmission, AM radio, Dual horns, Rally II wheels and the rare stack gages. Because of light rust, it needed to be repainted. It was stripped of all paint (underside also) and brought back to its original beautiful condition.
Since 1998 it has won numerous 1st place trophies and awards. I have seen quite a few other 1969 TAs, but this TA rises above the rest with its Formula Steering Wheel, Stack Gages, 4-speed transmission and 100% original blue interior. This truly original 1969 Trans Am is sure to make any owner proud.
Highlights:
Numbers matching 400 Ram Air III M20 4-speed transmission 3:55 posi rear end 34,000 miles Interior 100% original Original quarters and floors Original Ram Air pans Extremely rare Formula Steering Wheel Rare stack gages Still have original belts, hoses, and plug wires Rally II Wheels PHS Documentation
my 68 firebird has the bird glass, dash trim, deluxe steering wheel, 3 speed manual. no pull handle or bird on the glove box. otherwise standard interior.
This may have been covered but I made an observation this weekend on the different steering wheels in my two birds. The only interior difference other than the color is the wheel...AND... something I never noticed before. On the coupe with the "nice" wheel the dash pad has the deluxe chrome trim around the front. The vert with the standard wheel does not. I have these cars for so long that if I did noticed it before I'd forgot. Maybe that tim came with the wheel option difference?
the reason for the differences is because one is a standard interior and one is a deluxe interior!! the steering wheelw/bird is the deluxe. surprising noone has told you this b 4.
Andy
due to budget cutbacks, the light at the end of the tunnel has been disconnected for non payment.
This may have been covered but I made an observation this weekend on the different steering wheels in my two birds. The only interior difference other than the color is the wheel...AND... something I never noticed before. On the coupe with the "nice" wheel the dash pad has the deluxe chrome trim around the front. The vert with the standard wheel does not. I have these cars for so long that if I did noticed it before I'd forgot. Maybe that tim came with the wheel option difference?
the reason for the differences is because one is a standard interior and one is a deluxe interior!! the steering wheelw/bird is the deluxe. surprising noone has told you this b 4.
Nope, that's not it. There is a deluxe interior option, a deluxe seat belt option, a steering wheel option, and a custom trim option. Each option has different items and can exist without the others. I have deluxe interior cars that do not have the chrome dash band. They do have the stainless pedal trim and dash grab bar of the custom trim package however. One has standard belts, one has deluxe belts. Both have deluxe steering wheels.
Vikki 1969 Goldenrod Yellow / black 400 convertible numbers matching
My 67 has a Deluxe interior, deluxe wheel, grab handle, stainless pedal inserts, no dash chrome and standard buckles...
And those tan floor mats that I need...
I used to be indecisive. Now I'm not sure. I feel like I am diagonally parked in a parallel universe. 1968 400 convertible (Scarlet) 1976 T/A - 455 LE (No Burt) 1976 T/A New baby, starting full restoration. 1968 350 - 4 speed 'vert - 400 clone (the Beast!) 1968 350 convertible - Wife's car now- 400 clone (Aleutian Blue) (Blue Angel) 2008 Durango - DD 2008 GXP - New one from NH is AWESOME! 2017 Durango Citadel - Modern is nice! HEMI is amazing! 1998 Silverado Z71 - Father-daughter project 1968 400 coupe - R/A clone (Blue Pearl) (sold) 1967 326 convertible - Sold 1980 T/A SE Bandit - Sold
Here is a web page on the 1969 Firebird cowl tags. It is mostly for the mysteries of the 'H' code like the Camaros have. I based it off of Kurt S' web site on them. (except for Firebirds)
It would be possible to have a database for the other years if it is wanted?
I have a few option questions one of the letter codes unknown to the 67 Firebird has to be the tilt steering and Yellowbirds article shown for the 68 option makes me believe that every interior upgrade may have its own letters as well? I have a 68 with Deluxe interior with no chrome dash trim no Deluxe buckles no Deluxe steering wheel these could all be unidentified codes in the 67 as well. Any feedback would be great. Thanks Dan
Has the mystery option, relating to the 3"D" code on the trim tag of the 1967s, ever been solved/determined yet ?
If not, could it be for the "Safeguard Speedometer" ?
I have the "D" on mine , and I have seen the tag (and option list) of a similar, but more highly optioned car, that did not have it. After comparing my option list for the shared and unshared options between the 2, I think I am down to this one as being the 1 difference.
Anyone else have a 67 with the "D" code and this speedo ?
WITH YOUR HELP !, trying to put back together a factory 1967 convertible 400/TH400, softray glass, pw, ps, pb, ac, console, clock, safeguard speedo, remote and visor mirror(s), hood and trunk lamps, and custom trim options.(Rally II rims and hood tach had been added). THANK YOU ALL for any help, opinions, and/or advice. I'M GONNA NEED IT !
So would this be the code for the "courtesy" lamps (under the dash near both kick panels), even though they were standard equipment on the convertible ?
WITH YOUR HELP !, trying to put back together a factory 1967 convertible 400/TH400, softray glass, pw, ps, pb, ac, console, clock, safeguard speedo, remote and visor mirror(s), hood and trunk lamps, and custom trim options.(Rally II rims and hood tach had been added). THANK YOU ALL for any help, opinions, and/or advice. I'M GONNA NEED IT !
My 67 400 conv came with Safeguard speedometer.I don't have D in the 3 group.
OK, I'll bite... what is a Safeguard speedometer?
Sounds like a rev limiter.
I used to be indecisive. Now I'm not sure. I feel like I am diagonally parked in a parallel universe. 1968 400 convertible (Scarlet) 1976 T/A - 455 LE (No Burt) 1976 T/A New baby, starting full restoration. 1968 350 - 4 speed 'vert - 400 clone (the Beast!) 1968 350 convertible - Wife's car now- 400 clone (Aleutian Blue) (Blue Angel) 2008 Durango - DD 2008 GXP - New one from NH is AWESOME! 2017 Durango Citadel - Modern is nice! HEMI is amazing! 1998 Silverado Z71 - Father-daughter project 1968 400 coupe - R/A clone (Blue Pearl) (sold) 1967 326 convertible - Sold 1980 T/A SE Bandit - Sold
I think its the speedometer that makes a sound once passed the 'limit' you set it at
looked it up , found this:
Quote:
The Safeguard speedometer, which included a low-fuel warning lamp, allowed the driver to use a pointer to select a speed that when exceeded would sound a warning
I used to be indecisive. Now I'm not sure. I feel like I am diagonally parked in a parallel universe. 1968 400 convertible (Scarlet) 1976 T/A - 455 LE (No Burt) 1976 T/A New baby, starting full restoration. 1968 350 - 4 speed 'vert - 400 clone (the Beast!) 1968 350 convertible - Wife's car now- 400 clone (Aleutian Blue) (Blue Angel) 2008 Durango - DD 2008 GXP - New one from NH is AWESOME! 2017 Durango Citadel - Modern is nice! HEMI is amazing! 1998 Silverado Z71 - Father-daughter project 1968 400 coupe - R/A clone (Blue Pearl) (sold) 1967 326 convertible - Sold 1980 T/A SE Bandit - Sold
I think its the speedometer that makes a sound once passed the 'limit' you set it at
looked it up , found this: [quote] The Safeguard speedometer, which included a low-fuel warning lamp, allowed the driver to use a pointer to select a speed that when exceeded would sound a warning
[/quote I actually have this option on all my cars. We've been married for ten years.
[quote=Bjorn Sefeldt]I think its the speedometer that makes a sound once passed the 'limit' you set it at
looked it up , found this:
Quote:
The Safeguard speedometer, which included a low-fuel warning lamp, allowed the driver to use a pointer to select a speed that when exceeded would sound a warning
[/quote I actually have this option on all my cars. We've been married for ten years.
Hello, I’m new to the forum. Thanks for the opportunity post. I have a phs documented 1968 firebird convertible 400, loaded, pink with white interior. It was a gm internal ordered car and purchased by gm. it was photographed for high performance pontiac magazine a few years ago. It was candy orange at the time. They talked to nancy sinatra’s manager about being in the photo shoot. She was very excited but disappointed she couldn’t do it because she had a concert that evening. She said he could interview her for the magazine later. I never saw the magazine. Does anyone remember it and if so can they email me the text and magazine issue date or post it here on the site? I also have a few other questions which I hope some others might like to know the answer to. I will also email nancy the same questions and post any replies I get. I will also email paula reck who was the runner up in 1968 miss America contest and official Pontiac spokesperson. I personally spoke with her at the time of the photo shoot but she was busy and asked me to call back but I never did.
What print ads or commercials did Pontiac feature a pink or other color 400 convertible in with or without nancy? I think there was a print ad with her wearing a fluffy pink sweater and a commercial where she sang the boots song and got in the car.
Where can I see or get those ads?
Nancy has stated that delorean gave her a pink convertible in 1967 for her movin with nancy show which aired late December 1967. The color was fashioned from a tube of pink lipstick, probably hers. There is a black and white picture showing the back end of it in her garage with her in the foreground and a 1957 thunderbird. Since it was late in the year was this a 1968 car, why would he give her a left over 1967?
What engine size and interior color was this car?
Did Pontiac give a car away to anyone in the 1968 miss usa contest and if so what was it, model, color, options etc?
Wow!! This is another amazing Firebird Mystery!!! Cant wait to see you post some pictures of the car and I hope you get the answers you are looking for and welcome to the club!!!
86 Pontiac 2+2 69 Firebird Coupe(Under Construction) 69 Firebird 4 speed Vert Driveable but Under Construction 64 1/2 Mustang (Under Construction) 86 Z28 Convertible Weekend driver
Hi All...Much to my joy I recenctly acquired a 69 converitible for which I have the PHS documentation. This leads me to my question, not really a mystery I admit, but just something I'm curious if someone might be able enlighten me on...
The order sheet indicates that on 03/10/70 the car was shipped to Mecum Pontiac-Buick in Marengo IL. From what I gather this is a a pretty late date to be shipping a 69 from the factory. To add to my curiousity, the body plate indicates, 69-22367, NOR 712053, with a date code of 10C, and the other trim codes jive with the car.
That seems like a long time for a rather average car, (Standard 350 auto T/H, power steering/brakes/top), to be sitting around the factory. No other special codes, marks, etc...are noted on the build sheet. So,there you have have it...just scratching my head here.
I think it's why the 69 was nicknamed the 70 and a half. They kept shipping them because there were no 70s being made until well into 1970 ... But I could be wrong.
I think it's why the 69 was nicknamed the 70 and a half. They kept shipping them because there were no 70s being made until well into 1970 ... But I could be wrong.
Otherway around. The 1st year model of the Second Generation F body is referred to as the 70-1/2 because they were 1st sold so late in the 1970 model year. Same reason why early 1st Gen Mustangs are called '64-1/2's when sales started in April 1964 as opposed to the "normal" start of the 1964 model year in September 1963.
2012 Mustang Boss 302 #1918, Competition Orange. FGF replacement 2006 Mustang V6 Pony, Vista Blue. Factory ordered. 2019 BMW X3 (Titled to the wife, but I'm always driving it for her. So I'm claiming it) Old projects, gone but not forgotten: 1967 FB 400, original CA car. After 22 years of work, trashed by the guy who was supposed to paint it. I had to sell it. 1980 Turbo Trans Am 1970 Mustang fastback, 351C 4Bbl, auto 1988 Mustang GT, 5 speed 1983 F-150 4x4, built 302 1994 Chevy K2500 HD 4x4, 454 TBI
mine too, = vents , an early build oct 68, IIRC 4th week also, but built at Lordstown plant
Mine also has standard belts in a deluxe interior and straight bar headrests. A 68 Delco ignition coil but according to other accounts they could have thrown in either one on the line. I should start writing down all of the weird stuff I find on this car.
IIRC mine is dated 10D? , shipping date was 10/24 to Schappe Pontiac ,Madison, Wisconsin...built at Lordstown
base car price 3028.00 with options exterior decor group (still there) 350 2bbl ,( now 72- 400 4 bbl) TH 350 , (now same) radio push button,( now after mkt Kenmore stereo) dual horns,( now air horns) deluxe seat belts, (now std blk belts) console ,( still there) PS -var ratio, ( still there) soft ray WS, (replaced 11 yrs ago) custom trim, (replaced with black deluxe ) head restraints, (still there, but black) F70x14 WSW tires, (BFG 235-14, on Buick rims) total MFRP at $3875.48
trim 16 midnight green-dk green, (now resale red - 'blk)
many things changed on this car....barely anything is the same as shipped, BUT the vent balls are!
and its lived AT LEAST its last 20yrs in Texas... in Bedford (between Ft Worth and Dallas)for 7 yrs before I bought it 13 yrs ago)
Absolutely. I'm working with Kurt S. and a few others on the Firebird version of the Camaro Research Group. I'm not on FGF right now, but if he sends data to yellowbird@thefirstgensite.com , I'll communicate directly and put it to good use.
Hood tach mystery, whats it from?... Seller either told me wrong, or was replaced sometime between 67-79(when I bought it).
67 June build. 1st and/or 2nd digit has over spray, cant see'm, so inserted a ? mark. ??69555 Case is 7.75 long 2.25 high White letters/hash marks with Black back ground 2 bulbs 2 studs in front, and what looks like 4 holes for rivits? center and rear. Pontiac and RPM printed on face. Nothing on pointer cover tab.
From the AC Service Bulletin and the RCTach site I referenced on your other thread , it's a fair bet the leading ?? numbers are either 64 or 56 ... giving 6469555 or 5669555.... neither of which unfortunately return anything relevant when googled with keywords (eg. GM, AC, tach...). Is it the molding number rather than tach assembly number?
Thanks. Looked at those the other day. None end with 555. Maybe a replacement #. GM updated and change #'s alot back then. Have to look at it again. Its a inked stamped label. May try and clean some of the over spray off...
Crickets eh?... While try to post a couple pictures this weekend.
Frogs even...no idea at all.
1968 400 Coupe, verdoro green, black vinyl top 1968 400 Convertible, verdoro green, black top 1971 Trans Am, cameo white, auto 1970 Buick Skylark Custom Convertible 350-4(driver)
please help. i have pulled the engine out of my newly acquired 68 bird. looking at the vin stamp and the vin on car everything matches except the last number. (xxxxx3 car..xxxxxx2 engine) what does this mean? did someone on the line mix the engines up at the factory? do i have a gold mine or fools gold? it is a 1968 stamped 350. mystery to me
please help. i have pulled the engine out of my newly acquired 68 bird. looking at the vin stamp and the vin on car everything matches except the last number. (xxxxx3 car..xxxxxx2 engine) what does this mean? did someone on the line mix the engines up at the factory? do i have a gold mine or fools gold? it is a 1968 stamped 350. mystery to me
I would think it was a stamping error. My engine unit number is stamped with one digit wrong too (or the PHS was recorded wrong). PHS records show it as 39**** but the engine stamping is clearly 29****. The partial VIN on the engine matches the actual.
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