This is going to sound silly. I recently got a 67 400, and it had the wrong intake, wrong carb. I got a very close to correct intake, and a carb from a 69 400 4 speed, so I'm on target. What's the best place to get all the small parts for the intake? There's a lever under the dash on the right side of the steering column, could that have been a manual choke? I'm thinking I just need temp/oil sensors, a thermostat housing, and a choke coil/housing, and linkage. Anything I'm missing?

Thanks!
Tom
(67marobird)

Sounds like your moving in the right direction. Are you trying to get everything completly stock? The temp sensor you could get at a autoparts store but wouldnt be stock style or you could start downloading the catalogs for YearOne, Ames, ClassicIndustries. YearOne is good about showing pictures. I think you covered most of what you need except the TVS and I don't recall if 67s had that.

I can't tell you what the lever under the dash is. You will have to chase the cable to where it goes.

Post up some pictures and you will get a flood of feedback.

The lever at that position on my bird is for the hood lock.

You'll also need a few elbows and fittings for vacuum lines depending on the manifold, carb and if you have PBs.

Below is a link to a thread I started a while back that has good info on the subject:

/forums/ubbthrea...=true#Post79314

Thanks guys. I'll take some pictures this weekend and get them out here!

I appreciate it! Everyone have a great Memorial Day weekend.

Tom

Anyone know if the 67's had the TVS? I only see it listed for 68-69. Pictures coming soon!

Ugh. Another question, and felpro couldn't help me. I bought a felpro set of intake gaskets, and they appear to have silicon on them, a 'blue striped' side. One fits on blue side up, one blue side down. Felpro says that gasket doesn't have silicon, so just put them on. If that's so, do I need to add gasket sealant around some of the ports? Which ones?

Thanks again!

with many questions, and few answers-
Tom

the tvs is available. check all the suspensiopn places as i found it on 2 of them. if you dont find it look for the 67 maro, it'll be the same!

add light coat of sealant around the coolant ports. no where else i know of.

not sure of 67, but 68 has an idle stop solenoid,
Also, manual trans has that weird vacuum thingy next to the carb.

I have a 67 maro, and it doesn't have a TVS. I promise some pictures soon, and thanks for all the advice, everyone.

Ok, on this ebay 67 400, is the PCV hose correctly T'ed like that? Looks like it has auto trans vacuum to the solenoid, and the other front vacuum port back to distributor advance. Is that a cruise control servo?

Thanks!
Tom

Yes, still use sealant on those gaskets. I did last month and all is well.
That ebay photo shows the upper water hose for the heater going UNDER the intake manifold! I've never seen that before. You'd think it'd increase the water temp a bit using that route.

ok I have some pictures



First picture shows two vacuum ports off the choke pulloff. Cap one? The vacuum port on this right side is capped, I believe?
Also, on someone's good advice here, I bought a new choke coil-rod-stove setup. This carb is a Carter QJet from a 69 400 manual, on my 67. The rod seems too long. Maybe I'm doing something wrong.


Second picture: two more vacuum ports on the front right -- ??? connection??. The accelerator rod hole is too small for my existing rod. I'm assuming it's a 69-67 quadrajet difference, but what I do know is that it needs to be drilled out a tiny bit. Also, where on the manifold does the accelerator spring attach? I know where it goes on the carb, but am I missing a bracket?



Final picture: Two ports in the manifold, both PVC? Is that a stock idiot light temp sender? There were two in the old Edelbrock intake, one for an aftermarket gauge.

If anyone sees anything out of whack (besides the fuel line not being hooked up and the carb not being tightened down -- waiting for my "crossover" carburetor base gasket -- I'm all ears! Thanks so much, and I can't wait to have her back on the road in another few days!

Tom

Anyone? Have I exceeded my first month question quota?

People are probably trying to get the info for you. Takes a couple of days some times.

OK,

Yellowbird has an awesome website and offers a few downloads. (http://64.70.152.156/photos/firebird/) Download the FGF Assembly Manual (25mb). On page 57 of this manual you will see the example of what you see on the eBay photo.

The manual explains where the hoses go and helps really well.

Hope this works,

Chad

I have lots of good stuff over in the library at http://thefirstgensite.com too.

Some of the delay may arise because your carb does not appear to be quite stock for the application. It also appears to be missing the bowl vent valve. What are the numbers on the carb, I'll try to get you more specific information.

Hey thanks for the sites -- I didn't even know they existed.

Vikki - the carb is a Carter QJet from a 69 400 block, with the #4887S on it, apparently a replacement for the stock carb. I'm not even sure what the bowl vent valve is. Thanks for your help to everyone.

OK, let me rephrase: how much difference is there between a 69 Carter Qjet and a 67 Rochester Qjet? The accelerator rod pin is a little too big for the Carter I have on my otherwise stock 67. I can drill that out. On the choke side - any differences?

Finally, it would really help to know where the accelerator return spring anchors. I can't tell from any diagrams I've seen. Is it a bolt-on bracket?

Thanks!

Well, as you are mixing makes and models and years you'll have to do a little fabrication on your own.

'67 uses a throttle rod. '68 and '69 use throttle cables, so the carb extension levers are different. If you have a '67 throttle rod linkage and a '69 cable-type carb extension, it may or may not bolt up to the '69 carb without modification. I don't know, I don't have a '67 carb on hand. Or the '67 may not use a carb extension at all.

The throttle return spring for '68 and '69 attach back to the throttle cable bracket. http://new.photos.yahoo.com/v_papesh/album/576460762347909462/photo/294928803723090410/3

The difference between the Carter Q-Jet and the Rochester Q-Jet are minimal if any for the same model for the same year. They were designed to interchange. Different years makes the bigger difference.

I don't mind doing the fabrication; I just want to figure out the way it's supposed to be set up so I can come close. Some clown on Ebay is selling a 7027273, needs rebuild, for $800. Since I don't care to spend that much, I'm just trying to compile as much information as I can. If anyone has a 67 400 and a few minutes, I'd appreciate it.

Here's a pic currently on eBay:


http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1967-400-...bayphotohosting

Here's another issue. You said you got "very close to the correct intake". '67 and '69 Quadrajets are different in construction; the '67s have a groove across the front of the carb base plate. '69s do not; presence of the groove in the intake may affect operation of the '69 carb. The base gasket must be correct for the '69 carb, not the '67 intake, or vacuum leaks may result. Which intake do you have?

http://napaonline.com/masterpages/NOLMas...buretor+-+Remfd Rochester '67 Quadrajet

http://napaonline.com/masterpages/NOLMas...buretor+-+Remfd Carter '67 Federal Emissions

Carter for '67 is not a Quadrajet...in later years Carter also manufactured Quadrajets for GM. Primary and secondary bore size and spacing are different.

ok. lets start at the beginning. you have a million questions and only 1 thread for all of them. you say you have a maro so yes the tvs is available for it. you'll use the 68 kit for the 67. the throttle linkage is going to b different as vikki stated. you can get the rod style carb linkage from either edelbrock or holley. there shouldn't be a throttle bracket as i know of but im probably wrong. do you have an automatic? if so then you'll need the bracket for the auto throttle positioning sensor. if you have more questions i haven't answered start another thread for them or pm me. if i know ill try to help!

forgot one. the throttle return spring gores to the positioning bracket so id get it anyway. or you could use the studded bolt on the front of the manifold for the same effect.

Vikki, Drew:

Thanks. That photo is helpful.

Drew: I don't believe the 67 has a TVS. My Camaro doesn't, and there's no port for it on my 67 400 intake.

Vikki: Good point, and I never thought of it. My 67 intake has the exhaust crossover, and I have the base gasket and stainless gasket. If this is going to be a problem with my 69 Carter Qjet, maybe I'd better buy from Napa.

I'm going to Carlisle (PA) for GM nationals on Sunday, I'll bring a camera and pick some brains! Had I left the Edelbrock manifold and double pumper on, at least I could be driving it!

Tom

OK, did some homework, and it's getting there, thanks to everybody. Vikki, in that last ebay picture you put up, there no "vacuum thingy" that someone mentioned earlier in the thread, that only carbs on manual trans cars had? I see it in the picture I posted from ebay, don't know what it does.

Thanks
Tom

In that eBay pic, it looks like the "vacuum thingy" is there, but hidden by the alternator. It's not only a MT thing, I have a '67 400 auto that has it. It's just a vacuum tee in a different shape.

I think he's talking about the vacuum idle stop.

Jim-

Is that different from the choke pull-off? Not sure what the vacuum idle stop is or where it connects....?

Thanks
Tom

It's in front of the linkage on the drivers side of the carb. It's in that picture you posted.

What does it do? Where does it draw vacuum from?

It draws air from distributor, I believe..